SAC - FC-31 Grey Falcon Stealth aircraft for PAF : Updates & Debate

[python-000]

Yet he has stopped posting but you have continued for several pages of your list include a lots of trolling.
@Deino ( another Chinese user from Germany )...

why you both bro's are fighting with each other you know Pakistan will never do any thing like that because of any thing you fight with each other you both are most precious & most reliable friends of Pakistan

 

[Deino]

@Berkant

Take this as a warning !!

Shut up, stay on topic and PLEASE spare us this Turkish propaganda.

This is a thread purely discussing the possible involvement, introduction and service of the FC-31 in Pakistan. Not related to the TFX, TAI or Your propaganda.

Your last posts have been reported to a moderator of this section and he will handle hat issue.

Deino

PS: and by the way, I'm not a German Chinese regardless You will claim.

 

[araz]

@Berkant

Take this as a warning !!

Shut up, stay on topic and PLEASE spare us this Turkish propaganda.

This is a thread purely discussing the possible involvement, introduction and service of the FC-31 in Pakistan. Not related to the TFX, TAI or Your propaganda.

Your last posts have been reported to a moderator of this section and he will handle hat issue.

Deino

PS: and by the way, I'm not a German Chinese regardless You will claim.

MODS.
Please shu5 this thread down for a day or two. There is a lot of garbage and unrelated posts. That needs to be deleted and thread brought back to order.
A

 

[The Eagle]

Thread cleaned and appropriate action taken. Insults to MOD(s) or any other member as well, are not allowed. It has been requested many times and still, I repeat here too, do not feed any off-topic discussion or cause derailment as every reply results in giving a lifeline to the one that instigates. However, in case of any post that does not belongs to relevant to subject, please report button which is your friend and do not quote back. Derailing any thread is not allowed and members interested in other topics can please tag others in relevant and respective subject of discussion. Please stay on topic and enjoy discussion.

Regards,

 

[monitor]

 

[CHI RULES]

Hi,

Pakistanis make big claims out of habbit---. The 5th gen aircraft is of a different dimension---.

Turkey may want to---but it has no experience in it---.

It has no industrial complex like that of Japan either.

Sir I respect your views no matter how negative they are, but 5th gen Jets are prepared by Human being not by spirits. Even in NASA and at other organisations many Pak work, some of them may come back if called upon like AQ Khan.
Turkey u should have known that due to EU access has much high level of tech base, they may easily get technology from EU countries if not from USA even Russia and China are open to them as they have brains with bulks. Turkish have the ability to get raw gadgets and improve them by themselves. They are not only assembling F16 but also preparing lot of hardware and software also. They have plans TFX jet shall certainly be of 5th gen. I wonder a guy like u do not believe in that. If Pakistan commits itself with FC31 project one should not be surprised if PAF starts to get them by start of 2019. Chinses are making wonders and Turkey is on same path with more options. The only missing area in which even Chinses are also not much successful is engine for which Turks have already started collaborations with EU countries.
On other PAF has also started a ten year aviation city project which shall be hub of all aeronautical work.Even Air University campus has started which is part of that project and Inshallah in next ten Years Pak shall rise and shine .

 

[MastanKhan]

Sir I respect your views no matter how negative they are, but 5th gen Jets are prepared by Human being not by spirits. Even in NASA and at other organisations many Pak work, some of them may come back if called upon like AQ Khan.
Turkey u should have known that due to EU access has much high level of tech base, they may easily get technology from EU countries if not from USA even Russia and China are open to them as they have brains with bulks. Turkish have the ability to get raw gadgets and improve them by themselves. They are not only assembling F16 but also preparing lot of hardware and software also. They have plans TFX jet shall certainly be of 5th gen. I wonder a guy like u do not believe in that. If Pakistan commits itself with FC31 project one should not be surprised if PAF starts to get them by start of 2019. Chinses are making wonders and Turkey is on same path with more options. The only missing area in which even Chinses are also not much successful is engine for which Turks have already started collaborations with EU countries.
On other PAF has also started a ten year aviation city project which shall be hub of all aeronautical work.Even Air University campus has started which is part of that project and Inshallah in next ten Years Pak shall rise and shine .

Hi,

As usual---you are clueless to what you are writing---AQ Khan is a metalurgist of the 70's education---. Those engr's from nasa if they come back---where are they going to get the material from!!!

To climb the K2---first you have to prepare yourself to fear the slope of the mountain---then you have to learn to fear the mountain to DEFY death---and then have to count on your stars as well---and not to make a simple statement like---that people conquer K2---.

People don't conquer K2---exceptions conquer K2---.

Once you learn to appreciate that term---and begin to understand the task---then it can give you the perspective just to begin imagining about it---.

 

[Raider 21]

Sir I respect your views no matter how negative they are, but 5th gen Jets are prepared by Human being not by spirits. Even in NASA and at other organisations many Pak work, some of them may come back if called upon like AQ Khan.

Right about the NASA part, the JF-17 introduction team had an aerodynamics engineer from PAF....he moved to the US and started working for NASA....presently a professor at the Tuskegee University.
https://www.tuskegee.edu/Content/Up...cademics/COE/Aerospace/Vita-MJK-2011-Web2.pdf

 

[python-000]

wow yr the J-31 v2 is dam GOOD option for PAF

 

[CHI RULES]

Hi,

As usual---you are clueless to what you are writing---AQ Khan is a metallurgist of the 70's education---. Those engr's from nasa if they come back---where are they going to get the material from!!!

To climb the K2---first you have to prepare yourself to fear the slop of the then---then you have to learn to fear the mountain to DEFY death---and then have to count on your stars as well---and not to make a simple statement like---that people conquer K2---.

People don't conquer K2---exceptions conquer K2---.

Once you learn to appreciate that term---and begin to understand the task---then it can give you the perspective just to begin imagining about it---.

Sir at least one retired person who worked in NASA project remained my teacher for one semester. My points were not baseless as you think. In 1995 one NASA scientist visited our school being past student of our school. Lot of material and perks shall be there when and if they will/shall come back once PAF project is materialized. Believe me still a per stature PAF has lot of technicians and aeronautical engineers. The numbers can be increased with enhanced requirements in few years by sending technicians and engineers to China and even Russia for advanced training.

Sir for sake of your knowledge I have met people directly who have worked under supervision of the mentioned Metallurgist. The scientist as older he becomes is considered more valuable in west unlike Pakistan where we retire our scientists at age of 60 and majority of them then likes to settle abroad. Instead of such shit approach these scientists should be offered lucrative services in Universities in areas of applied Physics, Computer engineering and chemistry , believe me people are ready to serve country even in lesser perks but at least some respect should be given by our Govt.


May be one day you should also come back to Pakistan and start at least a car show room.

 

[The Eagle]

The air chief disclosed that Pakistan was currently working to manufacture next generation aircraft with the support of Chinese experts

 

[IblinI]

What does this mean, not a JV of FC-31?

 

[MastanKhan]

Sir at least one retired person who worked in NASA project remained my teacher for one semester. My points were not baseless as you think. In 1995 one NASA scientist visited our school being past student of our school. Lot of material and perks shall be there when and if they will/shall come back once PAF project is materialized. Believe me still a per stature PAF has lot of technicians and aeronautical engineers. The numbers can be increased with enhanced requirements in few years by sending technicians and engineers to China and even Russia for advanced training.

Sir for sake of your knowledge I have met people directly who have worked under supervision of the mentioned Metallurgist. The scientist as older he becomes is considered more valuable in west unlike Pakistan where we retire our scientists at age of 60 and majority of them then likes to settle abroad. Instead of such shit approach these scientists should be offered lucrative services in Universities in areas of applied Physics, Computer engineering and chemistry , believe me people are ready to serve country even in lesser perks but at least some respect should be given by our Govt.


May be one day you should also come back to Pakistan and start at least a car show room.

Hi,

The problem with your posts are that you are TOO CASUAL in making big statements----we can do this and we can do that---.

For a 5th gen program----we would need 100's of PhD's in the related fields---highly qualified at that.

Just like for our nuc program---we had those numbers to do the job---foreign qualified at that as well.

 

[The Eagle]

What does this mean, not a JV of FC-31?

For the time being and after reading different statements, it seems like that no joint venture but NGF for PAF by the help of friends.

 

[Tank131]

The Air Chief stated Pakistan will have an aircraft ready in 5 years time and that China is going to provide technical assistance to the aviation sector in Pakistan. From where i see it, the only way the project will bear an aircraft in 5 years is if PAF has bought the rights to J-31 or is acquiring full ToT for the J-31 and will subsequently produce its own aircraft. There is no way that Pakistan with limited resources will be able to 1)learn how to design and aircraft let alone a 5th gen one, 2) learn how to design, manufacture, and mass produce a modern jet engine, 3)develop top notch avionics including radar, ECCM, ECM ect.

What it could do is scrounge up enough money to acquire the project en whole like Turks did with ATAK and get the chinese to teach them as they go. That is still a great option /accomplishment, and has been the pattern with Azmat FAC, Zarb, Buarraq UAV and Barq Missile. They buy the production rights and develop their own variants by the second generation of the system. The chinese infact started the exact same way. Infact the JF-17 is the first aircraft completely built in Chinese know how (J-10 has clear Lavi design themes albeit may only have been a stepping stone).