S Arabia to seek same right given to Iran in possible deal

[Cheetah786]

Did Iraq asked for help or do you expect foreign countries jump in a state which is mutually ruled by Iran and USA!
When ISIS traveled from Mosul to Saudi border (funny though, but it happened) they were given a jaw break reply and again they went to Mosul, where now Iran revolutionary guard is busy killing civilian Muslims.

ISIS is evil organization and is Iranian made... give all prizes to your self for that matter.

While the world watched in horror as jihadist extremists from the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) seized the Iraqi city of Mosul, some members of the European Parliament (MEPs) claimed that these actions were not carried out by ISIS, but were “part of a popular uprising” against Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.

At the same time that ISIS was reportedly committing mass executions in Mosul, these MEPs “disputed” that Mosul and Tikrit had been taken by ISIS, and announced the creation of the European Iraqi Freedom Association (EIFA), a “new NGO with the mission of improving the political and human rights situation in Iraq.”

The comments were made at a June 11 press conference in Brussels, according to a press release for the event.

The ousting of Maliki and the “complete eviction of the Iranian regime from Iraq” are the group’s primary goals, according to the press release of the EIFA, which has no website other than a Facebook page that was created on May 6.

There is no shortage of people arguing that Iran holds excessive influence over Iraq and that Maliki has aggravated many of Iraq’s problems, so why did these MEPs resort to downplaying the horrors of ISIS’ actions in calling for an end to Tehran’s hold on Baghdad?

A clue appears in the EIFA’s emphasis on the security situations of Camps Ashraf and Liberty.

Camp Ashraf became the Iraqi base of the exiled Iranian dissident organization, the Mujahedin-e Khalq, (aka MEK, MKO, PMOI and NCRI), in the 1980s after its exodus from the Islamic Republic following a power struggle and violent regime-orchestrated persecution.

The MEK, frequently described as a “cult”, was classified as a terrorist organization by the EU until 2009 and by the US until 2012, and has been accused of human rights abuses.

Despite its expensive claims to the contrary (MEK op-eds and advertisements regularly appear in Western media outlets), the NCRI, the MEK’s “parliament-in-exile” and political wing, has no popular support in Iran. In fact, the MEK sided with Saddam Hussein during the 1981-88 Iran-Iraq war and even attempted to take Iranian territory. The vast majority of Iranians inside Iran either consider the group insignificant or harmful to reformist efforts. The MEK is also despised by many Iraqis for its rolein crushing Shia and Kurdish uprisings against Saddam’s dictatorial rule. Yet thanks to well-funded lobbying and advocacy efforts, the MEK has still been endorsed by some Western politicians in the US and Europe as a legitimate Iranian opposition movement.

Before setting its sights on the United States, the MEK, through the NCRI, embarked on a well-organized campaign to bring European politicians to its side. After years of unchecked lobbying efforts, the MEK has convinced some MEPs to advocate in its favor. In addition to the leftist groups who uncritically support the MEK because it claims to have Marxist beliefs (along with Islamic ones!), right-wing MEPs seem taken in by its fervent anti-Iranian government stance. It is therefore not surprising that the individuals endorsing the EIFA have also endorsed the MEK.

The foremost MEK-EIFA endorser is Struan Stevenson, a British conservative who chaired the European Parliament (EP) delegation for relations with Iraq in 2009-2014. Under his watch, the delegation has devoted disproportionate attention to the security of Camp Ashraf while almost completely neglecting the more relevant economic, social, security and human rights challenges facing Iraq. When the EP negotiated a 2014 resolution addressing the surge of violence in Iraq in February, Stevenson made every effort to downplay the involvement of ISIS, while directing all blame towards Maliki and Iran.

Another notable promoter of the EIFA is Alejo Vidal-Quadras, a Spanish conservative. During his tenure as Vice President of the EP (2009-14), he functioned as one of the NCRI’s chief supporters. The EIFA has also been endorsed by former Portuguese socialist MEP Paulo Casaca (2004-09), a self-styled “expert on Iraq” who reportedly employed a MEK member as one of his personal assistants during his parliamentary stint.

Seen in the light of their MEK connections, it’s clear why these MEPs are trying to downplay the role of ISIS as a serious threat to the stability of Iraq and the broader region. The MEK and its supporters view Maliki as an Iranian pawn and believe that if Maliki goes, the Iranian government (which the MEK detests) will suffer. So in following the proverb, “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”, the MEK’s supporters and ISIS have found a common cause in pushing for Maliki’s ouster.

Even though Vidal-Quadras, Stevenson and Casaca will not be serving in the incoming European Parliament as of July 1, the MEK will surely try to recruit more MEPs for its cause, including with new tools like the EIFA. Of course, whoever is approached by the MEK - and most MEPs will be approached if they haven’t already - would be wise to think twice about associating with an organization that attempts to minimize the acts of a group so murderous and fanatical that even al-Qaeda has declared it too extreme.

 

[OTTOMAN]

Hi,
How did you jump to the conclusion that I am one of what you said.

How did you conclude you are iran loyalist?
Below, i re quote:

following discussion is also based on wet dreams of iran loyalists.

what i meant is that title of thread is fake.. that was suppose to point out biased moderation, while following discussion means, most posts after the OP are wet dream of Iran loyalists.
Hope this will help you sleep! but i will tag you next time, when any such situation arise.

 

[salarsikander]

Hope this will help you sleep!

Hi,
Not sure why was this necessary for you say it. feel free to tag me.

I am still puzzled, Your quote was meant for me of for moderators. I dont find any need for you send a message to moderator by quoting me.

And please for future avoid using stuff that are uncalled for

 

[Husnainshah]

I believe Iran's earned the deal. Had it been Saudis, they'd have long succumbed to American pressure. Ain't no child's play taking on The U.S. irrespective of what your street Mullah says.

 

[SipahSalar]

I believe Iran's earned the deal. Had it been Saudis, they'd have long succumbed to American pressure. Ain't no child's play taking on The U.S. irrespective of what your street Mullah says.

Certainly. I don't know how serious they were about producing nuclear weapons, but they seem to have succeeded at ending sanctions that have been there since 1979.

 

[mb444]

Most likely...Dajjal Army.


Just for this small reason?


Why not they give job adv. in news papers, as you said they have lot of money!


Is this some sort of criteria to gain position?

I do not understand what you are saying so can not possibly answer you properly.

In terms of what you said.... No nation produces nukes using foreign scientist ... you can not develop nukes just by having money.... You require your own scientific base....... Saudi has no such skilled manpower.... Starting now if they are ernest will require several decades and couple of generation to reach a level where they can begin research and producing own nukes.

Iran is in the position they are in because they are strong and have become strong through adversity. Do you really think the world powers would talk to Iran if they were weak? If they were weak their effort would have ended in similar fashion of those of sadam Husain or Asad or gaddafi....to answer you yes being strong is a criteria, there can be no negotiations between unequal forces ... Look at Palestine for example.

I am not pro or anti Iranian or pro or anti Saudi so do not take my position out of dogma. But the fact of the matter is Saudi and Iran are not the same and are not equal. The former is entirely dependent on the west, has had no independent foreign policy since Faisal and has failed to cultivate its population. It can ask to be treated the same as Iran but I doubt anyone would indulge.... It's not much different to India getting certain nuclear concessions from the west ... Pakistan wanted similar facility but no cigar....

The established status quo only relents when it is forced to do so.... Iran has strength strategic depth and Geo-political clout to force the concessions. Saudi only has one asset it's oil... Unfortunately for them that is not enough probably...

 

[Sunni Falcon]

Both are promoting sectarian violence day and night...

@قناص

As a matter of interest.

Can you please explain to me how SA is promoting sectarian violence ?

As for Iran, NO they are not promoting sectarian violence , they are practicing it by their own and by their proxies in a large scale since 2003.

As for the topic,

SA as a regional power among others like Turkey and Egypt, has full rights to seek the same rights that are to be given to Iran.

None in this world can prevent Sunni Arab states to seek the same rights NOT a great power nor Int. Comm. nor the so called Int. Law.

Period.

 

[Daneshmand]

Then who's gonna provide them?

No body. That is why their behinds are on fire. That world in which you could buy such tech, is now gone. You could do these things till 25 years ago. Now it is not possible with NSG implementation for nuclear technology, and its space technology cousin, the MTCR. The world is now divided between two groups of nations, those who have these techs and those who don't. Have's and have-not's.

Saudis if they push and beg really hard, might be allowed by US to buy some civilian power nuclear reactors at extremely high prices (15-25 billion dollars per reactor). These will be pretty much useless in terms of geo-strategic balance. Only good for electricity production and internal propaganda. But the fuel cycle, heavy water tech and long range missile technology will be off-limits for Saudi Arabia. US will never allow Saudis near such dangerous techs. And Saudis know this and that is why they are crying and weeping.

Iran is perhaps the last country which got through the door before the door got closed permanently. There will be no more entries. Whether by Saudis, Turks or Bolivians. It is now shut. Sealed. Cemented. Done. They missed the timeline.

But they can always buy their fuel from Iran or China or Pakistan or Russia or Brazil or West or etc. They just have to be friendly and down-to-earth and paying top dollars. As well as be "a bit" afraid of those who have these techs since militarily they will never be able to match them.

 

[azzo]

Wow So much hate for SA, and it's so baseless and illogical, saying stuff like Saudis lacking "brainz" and skills.

I assure you, we have the skills and brains.

SA send hundreds of thousands of students each year to study abroad in all fields (including nuclear) in US, China, Japan, and UK. Saudi Arabia ranks 4th in number of students studying in the US after the much more populated countries China, India, and Korea.

Saudi universities are always in top rankings in the Arab world, ME, and near east. No Iranian university even come close to a SA university in both research publication and quality of education.

Unlike Iran who's very dependent on its over-hyped military industrial propaganda to control its people, SA is a peaceful country, focused more on local growth. SA spends most of its money on housing projects, hospitals, higher education institutes, and infrastructure projects.

Some people choose not to see the evolution happening in SA, and keep telling themselves that Saudis lack everything but money, it what keeps them sleeping at night, as SA having BOTH money and "brainz" is too much to bare in terms of fairness.

Same hate and rhetoric directed towards the U.S. branding Americans as "fat" and "lazy," even though America basically control the whole world.

About the Nuclear demands, it's only natural for SA to seek that, as did Pakistan when India developed its nuclear program. The question on why SA didn't have nuclear ambitions earlier is irrelevant, as Iran proved its hostility towards SA and GCC countries by:

1- Aggressive rhetoric towards SA, calling them "Nawaseb" and followers of "Yazid" and that they must be wiped from the face of the earth. (basically same rhetoric directed toward Israel only with few changes)

2- Occupying GCC lands (3 Emirati Islands) which is according the signed GCC agreement is a hostile action against all GCC countries.

3- Spying cells directly linked to the Rev. Guards been dismantled every now and then in GCC countries.

4- Mecca incident where Iranians caused havoc and killed many pilgrims during the 1980s.

Israel, even though an enemy state, have never done 1% of the harm this rogue state did to SA.

So it's only natural for SA to do everything in its power to KEEP the economical and military superiority over Iran.

And yes, when it comes to soldier for soldier comparison, Saudis have proved themselves as one of the fiercest soldiers taking part in conflicts from Chechnya vs the Russians to Afghanistan to Syria and Iraq. Even the stateless Saudis proved challenging to the whole lot of the organized armies of Ira/Iraq/Syria where they're stuck needing air support to further push into more territories.

Iran is perhaps the last country which got through the door before the door got closed permanently. There will be no more entries. Whether by Saudis, Turks or Bolivians. It is now shut. Sealed. Cemented. Done. They missed the timeline.
.

I really admire your confidence, even though it's really baseless.

SA have showed many times that it can defy the US. Like when it bought ballistic missiles from China or where it gave Obama the cold shoulder numerous times.

Iran is the one begging the 5+1 to ALLOW them to develop their nuclear technology. If you're really that strong and independent why ask in the first place, you couldve just went further without asking for permissions. Iran is all bark and no bite and is on the brink of economical collapse, that's the reason behind the talks, not because they wanted to but because they're running out of money. At a degree which they are ready to allow inspections and delays to their program for the sake of mere survival.

 

[Sunni Falcon]

Wow So much hate for SA

The Astonishing thing is that much of the hatred is coming from pakistanis members !

Parroting the same old silly ridiculous crap again and again !

SA helped them in their nuclear program.
Then helped them overcome western sanctions.

And NOW when SA is facing challenges/threats against its OWN existence and starting their own program they are not only opposing giving any aid but also mocking alongside with Iranians !

I am really chocked and astonished of their hostile attitude, just Wow !!!

 

[azzo]

Yeah they like their countrymen being killed on the boarders of Iran.

 

[Sine Nomine]

SA helped them in their nuclear program.
Then helped them overcome western sanctions.

SA never helped us in any nuclear program,Momar Gaddaffi helped us,what western sanctions they helped us to over come,Pakistan did helped Arabs actively from 1947,what did they have done some have recognized Israel one table while others like SA have done it under table.....

 

[azzo]

Yeah Pakistan named numerous sites/monuments after King Faisal for the blackness of his eyes.

 

[Sunni Falcon]

SA never helped us in any nuclear program,Momar Gaddaffi helped us,what western sanctions they helped us to over come,Pakistan did helped Arabs actively from 1947,what did they have done some have recognized Israel one table while others like SA have done it under table.....

Listen my friend,

The fact that SA helped you in your program is nothing but a historic FACT.

Though I do not want to elaborate on that for not being like we are begging you, I just want to state two quotes :

"Our achievements are yours" .. General Zia-ul-Haq in a meeting with saudi king in the 1980s.

''SA paid for up to 60% of the Pakistani nuclear programme'' .. The Guardian - According to western intelligence sources.

Enough said on that point.

Appart from that, do and react the way you want, WE arab sunnis will handle Iranian barbarism against our own existence on our OWN , so feel free to act as you are pleased with, even if you want to support Iran (that will not surprise me) feel free to do it.

Then we will be free also to act accordingly.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Listen my friend,

The fact that SA helped you in your program is nothing but a historic FACT.

Though I do not want to elaborate on that for not being like we are begging you, I just want to state two points :

"Our achievements are yours" .. General Zia-ul-Haq in a meeting with saudi king in the 1980s.

''SA paid for up to 60% of the Pakistani nuclear programme'' .. The Guardian - According to western intelligence sources.

Enough said.

Brother all assumptions regarding our Nukes are false there nothing which rest of world knows about them may be they are already deployed in SA...Well friend our love for SA is just for two holy places and none other then that it is home of our beloved prophet, rest Pakistan started it Nuclear program in 1957 and bro what SA and other Gulf countries have got by supporting west against saddam,nothing but only Iraq is pimped by Iran and west and sunnis there live a miserable life,same goes for Syria and Lebnon Irani Mullas are high against Israel and West for decades still not a bullet fired,bookmark this page Iran is natural ally of West and Israel rest they both are fooling Muslims day and Night....