S-400, Nuclear Subs, FGFA to be top agenda of Modi-Putin meet on Sunday

[migflug]

India, Russia likely to sign deal to produce Kamov choppers
PTI | Updated: Oct 12, 2016, 08.39 PM IST

NEW DELHI: India and Russiaare expected to sign this weekend a "complex agreement" for production of 200 Kamov 226T helicopters domestically under a nearly US $1 billion deal to replace the country's aging Cheetah and Chetak choppers.

The agreement is expected to be inked on the sidelines of the 2016 BRICS Summit in Goa from October 13 to October 16.

A variety of negotiations on the expansion of military- technical cooperation and fortification of trade relations with India will be held.

"The complex agreement to set up a joint production facility of Ka-226T helicopters is expected to be signed at the BRICS forum," said a statement by Rostec State Corporation, an umbrella organisation of about 700 Russian firms founded in 2007 to promote the development, production, and export of high-tech industrial products for civil and military purposes.

This agreement will be the next big step in cooperation between Russia and India in the area of helicopter production and service.

The preliminary contract was signed by the head of Rostec Sergei Chemezov, CEO and Prime Minister Narendra Modi in December last year.

In addition to this, the heads of the state corporations will conduct a series of negotiations on development in the area of Russian helicopter export and after-sales servicing.




Chemezov will head Rostec's delegation to the 2016 BRICS Summit.




"The contract for export and joint production of 200 Ka-226T helicopters is one of the key projects in the framework of trade and industrial relations between Russia and India. We plan to expand them in both military-technical and civilian areas," Chemezov said.

Rostec is currently in negotiations with the Defence Ministry here for a long-term contract for after-sales servicing of Russian-made helicopters, which are widely used in India.


"We are expecting to set up an after-sales service in a profoundly new format. There is an array of other projects, where we see perspectives for mutually beneficial cooperation, which we plan to discuss at the BRICS Summit," Chemezov said.

 

[punit]

And if something did came out then? Look there are certain strategic toys that no one but Russia is sharing with us...in today's world zero sum game is considered way too lame to even talk about it...leave aside implementing it...

JUST LEAVE him alone ! he is still under Rafale Deal Shock !

 

[migflug]

Super Su-30, Kamov helicopters, S-400 Triumf missiles on top of agenda at Narendra Modi, Vladimir Putin meet
Published October 13, 2016 SOURCE: FE

Defence deals will be the key topic of discussion during the forthcoming 17th edition of the India-Russia annual summit. Besides upgrade of the Su-30 MKI and 28 Kamov helicopters, agreements related to the purchase of the S-400 Triumf advanced air defence missile system and an IL-78 multi-role tanker are on the list.

Also, both sides are likely to sign an agreement on the fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) project or the perspective multi-role fighter (PMF), the talks for which were restarted this year.

According to sources, joint development of Kamov Ka-226T light utility helicopters and the FGFA are also being pushed to be under Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s ‘Make In India’ initiative.
A new company is expected to be set up between the two countries for the Kamov Ka-226T helicopter, to be implemented under ‘Make In India’, where 140 helicopters will be made here under a contract estimated to be close to $1 billion.

Ready with a detailed work-share agreement, the FGFA project between the two countries that was put on hold over issues related to work-share, research and development, is expected to take off again. Russia has agreed to share state-of-the-art technology as part of the deal of producing at least 100 aircraft in India.

The Defence Acquisition Council under defence minister Manohar Parrikar had cleared the purchase of S-400 air defence systems from Russia in December 2015. However, no final go-ahead has been sent to Moscow from New Delhi. If the deal on S-400s is finalised during the summit, India will become the second country in the world to have this latest missile and this will also be the biggest deal between the two countries since 2011, when India had ordered 140 Su-30 MKI fighter planes.

PM Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin will be meeting for the annual summit during October 15-16, coinciding with the BRICS summit in Goa. This will be the third annual bilateral summit where Putin and Modi will meet. Russia lately has not been able to meet India’s delivery schedule, and issues related to transfer of technology and poor quality of spares are some of the problems India faces.

However, Russia has been India’s biggest arms supplier for decades, selling military hardware worth $45 billion since early 1960s. Compared to Russia, since 2007, the US has sold military hardware worth $15 billion to India. While Russia is helping India build indigenous nuclear submarine — though there has been no confirmation from either side — India is in talks to lease a second Akula-class nuclear-powered submarine from Russia. “The price negotiations for leasing the submarine is at an advanced stage and for about $1.5 billion,” said a source.

http://idrw.org/super-su-30-kamov-h...-agenda-at-narendra-modi-vladimir-putin-meet/ .

 

[GoodKnight]

Absolutely.

People still don't get it.

BJP is a West leaning party and doing everything to sever ties with Russia. The only reason Modi and Putin keeps meeting is because the yearly summit meetings have been institutionalized.

Nothing concrete would come out these meetings. The meeting would be nothing but a photo op exercise.

Modi just wants to project that he is trying and he does not end up taking the blame for the divorce as he knows that Indian public has a soft corner for Soviets/Russia.

BJP is a INDIA leaning party. Period.

Modi will seek ties with everybody, including US, Russia, China and even pakistan if it can make India stronger.

BTW with the meetings with Russia have been institutionalised then it must tell you something. It means that the relationship is strategic in nature and is not subject to immediate changing geo political realities.

The simple fact that Russia borders China makes it invaluable to us. US is half the world away.

 

[Chanakyaa]

The more stronger India becomes the lesser it would depend on others.

So the goal is to make India weaker and weaker.

Why did India sign LSA? Because it felt threatened by Chinese navy in Myanmar, Sri Lanka and Pakistan.

In the next few years, India would agree to host US missile defense umbrella once it reaches a point where it can no longer protect itself from the missiles from China and Pakistan.

Either You are Mistaken or have Incorrect Assumptions.

Is LSA a Military Agreement ? If NOT why the Fuss ?
India has certain agreements with USA and Russia which are very specific in nature.

For example, we have a Deep Water Rescue Agreement for Navy ( Made During Time of UPA ) with USA.
Did UPA "Sell" India ?

Now, NDA makes a "case by case" , "Refuelling" Arrangement on a bilateral basis. Something that all nations have for Commercial Airliners.

Even without such an agreement ( with the respective nations ), Did the Ships from China or USA never harboured in SL / Pakistan and India respectively ? Give a Thought.

BJP is a INDIA leaning party. Period.

Modi will seek ties with everybody, including US, Russia, China and even pakistan if it can make India stronger.

BTW with the meetings with Russia have been institutionalised then it must tell you something. It means that the relationship is strategic in nature and is not subject to immediate changing geo political realities.

The simple fact that Russia borders China makes it invaluable to us. US is half the world away.

Summed up Quite Nicely. @dadeechi

PS : Besides, I am Quite Confidant, You ( @dadeechi ) are NOT the Original user who created Your account. I have seen Several "Indian" accounts ( including yours ) , Since 2009.. This Pehenomenon has often been observed by me.....Account Created by Indian User.. Getting Banned for Anti Pakistan Stuff.... Going Dormant then .. Active... and Posting senseless ( Anti India ) comments with an Indian Flag.

Im sure this is the Plan to get more Adsense revenue.. and im sure it works... I have no hard feelings though.

 

[GoodKnight]

Indian Military favors Western Equipment and are very happy with the incumbent government.

India Bureaucracy and Diplomats work and implement the strategy of the government. They will never go against the government.

The biggest impact is on the Defence PSUs who have traditionally relied on partnerships with Russian entities. And Indians have nothing but contempt for these entities for their decades of inefficiencies.

Unless Congress/UPA comes back to power in 2019 which is almost an impossibility, Indo-Russian relations are history..

People vote on domestic issues and not how the government manages the foreign affairs.

BJP is doing a commendable job on the domestic front. It is the foreign affairs where they have and are selling India quite cheaply.

Indian contempt for PSU does not translate to change in govt. policy.

Indians have equal contempt for politicians and bureaucrats. But they still vote, don't they ?

So far Modi has gone out of the way to woo Russia after his bonhomie with the US. This is because, without Indian support, Russia will inevitably drift into China-pakistan orbit and that is the worst possible outcome.

Russia needs Indian support to stay 'independent' and India needs Russian support. Its a win-win partnership and that is unlikely to change anytime soon.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

BJP is a West leaning party and doing everything to sever ties with Russia. The only reason Modi and Putin keeps meeting is because the yearly summit meetings have been institutionalized.

Nothing concrete would come out these meetings. The meeting would be nothing but a photo op exercise.

Modi just wants to project that he is trying and he does not end up taking the blame for the divorce as he knows that Indian public has a soft corner for Soviets/Russia.

Its amazing how you can fit BJP into this!!!! West leaning? hahahaha you made my day.

I hope you were elated when after Uri attack when whole India was in pain our so called "best" ally who never fail to rip us were in bed with the same country that killed 18 of our soldiers!

Is it mandatory to give it political colors to everything? Military exercise may not be that significant to bilateral India-Russia ties but the timing was worst ever it can be. When whole world was with us they didnt even bother to postpone it let alone cancel it completely and you still feel its cuz BJP ruling India!

Next what? Pakistan is enemy of India cuz BJP is Hindutva party? Come on surprise me with more jewels like that. Even a non significant Bhutan took a stand for first time completely favoring India but Russia didnt and you tell me its BJP at center?

If its a bilateral relations why come all responsibility lies on India? Why cant Russia try to improve relations instead of blackmailing us to sign big contracts linking them to S400? Do you know how many billion deals are signed by the same BJP with Russia in previous few months and how many with US?

Come on man, come with something better than cheap political thinking.

India Bureaucracy and Diplomats work and implement the strategy of the government. They will never go against the government.

Shows, you have no idea how things actually works. Its Bureaucracy and Diplomats that decides everything complex and top leadership is there to sign only. No govt. want to go against expert opinion cuz they wont be able to contain it if it backfire and media will eviscerate them.

Unless something very irrational happen the govt. usually just sign and let expert handle it.

 

[proud indian94]

It will be better if dm mp negotiate s-500 instead of s-400.russia and india should start deploying them simultaneously .russia is going to start S-500 production soon.china already has signed an agreement for S-400 with russia.so we should go for S-500.

 

[dadeechi]

And if something did came out then? Look there are certain strategic toys that no one but Russia is sharing with us...in today's world zero sum game is considered way too lame to even talk about it...leave aside implementing it...

If S-400, FGFA & Yassen deals are closed, I will confess that I was wrong. If they do not happen will people here confess that Modi is taken people of India for a ride?

Its amazing how you can fit BJP into this!!!! West leaning?

Are you still surprised?

Drug Patent,
GMO Foods
Paris Climate deal
Nuclear Liability
LSA,

and coming soon

CISMOA
BECA
F-16 deal

JUST LEAVE him alone ! he is still under Rafale Deal Shock !

How did you come to that conclusion? Can you show a single post where I opposed RAFALEs?

Whole world depend on each other , China is biggest trade partner of US .

Agreed but US & China do not have any defence ties

Strategic relations are based on defence ties not economic.

Even India & China have a huge economic relationship while Indo-Russian ties have always been based on defence ties with little economic component.

BJP is a INDIA leaning party. Period.

Modi will seek ties with everybody, including US, Russia, China and even pakistan if it can make India stronger.

BTW with the meetings with Russia have been institutionalised then it must tell you something. It means that the relationship is strategic in nature and is not subject to immediate changing geo political realities.

The simple fact that Russia borders China makes it invaluable to us. US is half the world away.

What we need to understand is that BJP under Vajpayee is different than BJP under Modi.

Note that the ``Declaration on strategic partnership between India and Russia'' itself was signed by the Prime Minister, Mr. Atal Behari Vajpayee, and the President, Mr. Vladimir Putin in October, 2000.

http://www.thehindu.com/2000/10/04/stories/02040009.htm

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

Are you still surprised?

Drug Patent,
GMO Foods

What a pity level of thinking! Let me give you some insights.

You see how much Russia matter to us and how much western world in our exports? 1.1% is total export of India to Russia, we export more Mexico than Russia, so tell me Mr. genius where will most trade deal will be? With the major trade partners or with the almost negligible trade partners?

Paris Climate deal

You have any idea what Paris Climate deal is? I dont think you have even a slightest of idea. India is thrid biggest polluter in world after US and China. Its our obligation towards the nature. How the heck does western world come into the picture?

Nuclear Liability

Again you are talking about the subject you dont have even a slightest of idea. Why dont you mention nuclear deal with it, the permanent exceptional waiver you get from the same west?

LSA,
CISMOA
BECA

Do you know the full form of it? I bet you dont, neither you have any idea what is it.

EDIT:

This may give you better insights about BJP and west:

As per the defence ministry, India signed defence deals worth over $5 billion with Russia in the past three years and the US came a close second with deals of about $4.4 billion. Between 2012-13 and 2014-15, India entered into 162 arms contracts, of which 67 were with other countries including Russia (18), the US (13) and France (six).

Along with :

Greenpeace banned and Obama mentioned it twice in public to remove the ban but they didnt.
Ford foundation banned.
Visa Ban on Modi.

Seems like they are buddy

 

[proud indian94]

Russia plans to sign a delivery contract for the S-400 missile system with India before the end of 2016, the head of Russia's Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC) said Thursday.



YEREVAN (Sputnik) — He denied rumors that the contract would be signed at the October 15-16 BRICS summit in Goa, noting that the remaining issues with it "have not yet been fully resolved."

"We would like to hope for it before the end of 2016," FSMTC Director Alexander Fomin told RIA Novosti at the ArmHitec-2016 arms and defense technologies exhibition in Armenia.

 

[#hydra#]

Its amazing how you can fit BJP into this!!!! West leaning? hahahaha you made my day.

I hope you were elated when after Uri attack when whole India was in pain our so called "best" ally who never fail to rip us were in bed with the same country that killed 18 of our soldiers!

Is it mandatory to give it political colors to everything? Military exercise may not be that significant to bilateral India-Russia ties but the timing was worst ever it can be. When whole world was with us they didnt even bother to postpone it let alone cancel it completely and you still feel its cuz BJP ruling India!

Next what? Pakistan is enemy of India cuz BJP is Hindutva party? Come on surprise me with more jewels like that. Even a non significant Bhutan took a stand for first time completely favoring India but Russia didnt and you tell me its BJP at center?

If its a bilateral relations why come all responsibility lies on India? Why cant Russia try to improve relations instead of blackmailing us to sign big contracts linking them to S400? Do you know how many billion deals are signed by the same BJP with Russia in previous few months and how many with US?

Come on man, come with something better than cheap political thinking.



Shows, you have no idea how things actually works. Its Bureaucracy and Diplomats that decides everything complex and top leadership is there to sign only. No govt. want to go against expert opinion cuz they wont be able to contain it if it backfire and media will eviscerate them.

Unless something very irrational happen the govt. usually just sign and let expert handle it.

He is correct man up to some extent. Modi's policy destroyed Russian friendship,its even forced them to offer su35s to paf,the conducted military exercise with PA etc.

But I think even UPA too started deviating from Russians,remember or not we didn't support our time tested friend at their toughest times like 2008 Georgian war.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

He is correct man up to some extent. Modi's policy destroyed Russian friendship,its even forced them to offer su35s to paf,the conducted military exercise with PA etc.

But I think even UPA too started deviating from Russians,remember or not we didn't support our time tested friend at their toughest times like 2008 Georgian war.

Really?

We supported them on Crimeia, Syria and where not and it was so much to postpone an exercise with Pakistan when we are under pain?

Come with something factual man, we are going to be among top 3 powers in next 20-30 years. Its our obligation to have better relations with everyone then to be a colony of Russia.

 

[dadeechi]

What a pity level of thinking! Let me give you some insights.

You see how much Russia matter to us and how much western world in our exports? 1.1% is total export of India to Russia, we export more Mexico than Russia, so tell me Mr. genius where will most trade deal will be? With the major trade partners or with the almost negligible trade partners?

Strategic relations are based on defence ties not economic.

Even India & China have a huge economic relationship while Indo-Russian ties have always been based on defence ties with little economic component.


Source: https://defence.pk/threads/s-400-nuclear-subs-fgfa-to-be-top-agenda-of-modi-putin-meet-on-sunday.455354/page-3#ixzz4MxlsWUqB

You have any idea what Paris Climate deal is? I dont think you have even a slightest of idea. India is thrid biggest polluter in world after US and China. Its our obligation towards the nature. How the heck does western world come into the picture?

Yeah make India the villain and then sign a deal where India would be forced to buy expensive stuff in the name of protecting the environment with zero ToT benefits to India.

Again you are talking about the subject you dont have even a slightest of idea. Why dont you mention nuclear deal with it, the permanent exceptional waiver you get from the same west?

Inida already had the waiver and had signed deals with Russia without any liability clause. The liability clause was a requirement to protect Western companies. You should read more on Bhopal gas tragedy and how the Western executive was let off the hook.

Do you know the full form of it? I bet you dont, neither you have any idea what is it.

Yes. I do not know anything about them. All I know was that India has tooth and nail fought to oppose them for over a decade only to change the mind over night as soon as Modi came to power.

 

[#hydra#]

Really?

We supported them on Crimeia, Syria and where not and it was so much to postpone an exercise with Pakistan when we are under pain?

Come with something factual man, we are going to be among top 3 powers in next 20-30 years. Its our obligation to have better relations with everyone then to be a colony of Russia.

Show me a link.
Don't tell that statement from our foreign spoke persons. Its just a statement for formalities only. Just remember how Russians reacted in past in our tough times like kargil,Parliament attacks,Mumbai attacks etc.

We don't need to be anyone's colony mate,but now we are heading towards as a us puppet nation.Even the recent hunt for single engined fighter itself is meant only to please uncle Sam in the form of f16s induction in IAF,despite of having a very capable fighter like rafale in market.