S-300 vs Agile Fighter Jets?

[HeinzG]

Most of the Syrian SAMs are concentrated around Damascus:

Syria bought 36 Pantsyrs, so at least some 18 of them must be around Damascus.

Well we do not know what state the Pantsyrs are in Syria. Do we?

 

[500]

Well we do not know what state the Pantsyrs are in Syria. Do we?

Syrian TV showed drills with Pantsyrs in 2012.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZFIbuzQSLg

 

[rockstarIN]

There are plenty means now to take out S-300 safely:

AGM-158 JASSM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Storm Shadow - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
KEPD 350 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Delilah (missile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are enough system, but need greater co ordination and with higher risks.

 

[Anas Ali]

In any case system was completely compromised in 1992 when usa bought a s-300 pmu from belarus..

wooooooow is that true my god , someone confirm this with a source pleaseeeee

 

[honorfreedom]

Pantsir is used for bases protection not cities, for that is better some middle range system, as BUKm2 or older KUB/NEVA.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

wooooooow is that true my god , someone confirm this with a source pleaseeeee

Its confirmed google it,they bought the system from belarus and compatible missiles from ukraine.This was s-300PMU-1 model i think.

 

[Mosamania]

Jenking against modern air defense systems is not the smartest of ideas.

In fact carrying out a bombing operation against viable air defense networks is also not the smartest of ideas.

Best way to handle them is carrying out a SEAD operation or simply locate the battary's radar and send a Storm Shadow its way, then the entire network will be rendered defunct (Blind sort to speak). Positioning of radar close enough to detect but far enough from cruises is one of the main challenges of any Air Defense force.

 

[RAMPAGE]

Jenking against modern air defense systems is not the smartest of ideas.

In fact carrying out a bombing operation against viable air defense networks is also not the smartest of ideas.

Best way to handle them is carrying out a SEAD operation or simply locate the battary's radar and send a Storm Shadow its way, then the entire network will be rendered defunct (Blind sort to speak). Positioning of radar close enough to detect but far enough from cruises is one of the main challenges of any Air Defense force.

storm shadow taking out s-300 really? how!

 

[Penguin]

BUt your missing the point nothing in Russian/american/Israeli/Chinese AIR DEFENSE that can Shoot down a MKI,.........

And this would be why, exactly? And what are you including in 'air defence'?? And in what role are you putting MKI here?

 

[Penguin]

Nothing is unbeatable, what you are suggesting isn't new. SAM sites typically have layers of protection, from long range systems like the S-300 enhanced by short range quick reaction systems like SA-3, Rolland and AAA.

I think that would apply to the MKI too.

 

[500]

storm shadow taking out s-300 really? how!

Tomahawk Missile Variants - YouTube

1:45

 

[Penguin]

A Valid Question, Can S-300PMU can shoot down MKI, does it has capability to identify friend and foe, when they are engaged in dog fight over the covered area, can anyone put more info on this.

WHy not?

Also, an air defence system that doesn't come with some form of IFF cannot be really effective (and is irresponsible)...

 

[dbc]

Jenking against modern air defense systems is not the smartest of ideas.

What is jenking?

In fact carrying out a bombing operation against viable air defense networks is also not the smartest of ideas.

Why not? This is exactly how its done in real life. Saturate the air defense by giving the defenders something else to shoot at while the strike package is delivered to the kill box.

Best way to handle them is carrying out a SEAD operation or simply locate the battary's radar and send a Storm Shadow its way, then the entire network will be rendered defunct (Blind sort to speak). Positioning of radar close enough to detect but far enough from cruises is one of the main challenges of any Air Defense force.

This worked in Libya against poorly trained personnel, poorly serviced and antiquated equipment. This is unlikely to work against a more competent enemy. First, what makes you sure a cruise missile will not be detected,engaged and destroyed by the SAM? What makes you think the radar will be up and transmitting and easy to find? What makes you think there is only one radar?
If the system is capable, the crew competent then you have to get real close and take a few chances to take out the SAM. This stand off engagement stuff with cruise missiles and glide bombs looks good in a marketing brochure in real life you have to work hard to kill a competent enemy.

 

[bigzgvr4]

And this would be why, exactly? And what are you including in 'air defence'?? And in what role are you putting MKI here?

By mki I meant the su-30mki the plane and its indian Claims, they have a MKI-Growler which Jams Everyknown Radar and Sam and Missile system in earth

so MKI is Turly unbeatable Unless it isfighting another mki, which is non existant in any nation the closest thing is Malaysian mkm Which is very inferior the the indian MKI

"thank you come again"

 

[RAMPAGE]

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This worked in Libya against poorly trained personnel, poorly serviced and antiquated equipment. This is unlikely to work against a more competent enemy. First, what makes you sure a cruise missile will not be detected,engaged and destroyed by the SAM? What makes you think the radar will be up and transmitting and easy to find? What makes you think there is only one radar?
If the system is capable, the crew competent then you have to get real close and take a few chances to take out the SAM. This stand off engagement stuff with cruise missiles and glide bombs looks good in a marketing brochure in real life you have to work hard to kill a competent enemy.

@500 my thoughts exactly!care to explain?