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RUSSIA'S S-500 AIR DEFENCE SYSTEM REPORTEDLY HITS TARGET NEARLY 300 MILES AWAY

You do not need long range to shoot down a missile which travels towards You.
You also do not need high speed to hit a missile travelling towards You.
Actually you can disable a missile by putting a stationary object in its path.
Zero Range, Zero Speed...


I never in my life hear something so incredibly absurd. Quick, tell the US and Russia your genius idea, they keep using other sane methods. How will you put something in the fight path of missile? Airlift a giant wall with a bunch of helicopters and pray the S-500 hits it :lol:



What you need is to detect the speed and direction of the incoming missile
and be able to calculate when to detonate.

It is highly unlikely that the S-500 will manouver, so it will be much easier to hit than an airplane trying to manouver its way out of the track of an incoming missile.




Just about every modern Russian missile can maneuver and has jamming capabilities, but Yep a missile traveling Mach 21 that was designed to be difficult to intercept will be easier then and airplane to hit....



As for kinetic energy, the S-500 is not significantly different in size than a fighter.



I think you need to look up what kenetic energy is.



That Russian missiles are highly unreliable is well known, but modern Western missiles have much improved Pk.



Yea, like those Saudi and Israeli Patriots that crash or just fail to hit anything. In the gulf war the Patriot was also garbage. There is no data or proof that supports your claims. There is no way you would know how reliable or Unreliable something is.



ICBMs reach MACH 21, but they do not need to manouver to hit a moving target.
An S-500 hunting for an ICBM might reach that speed. Will it be able to reach that speed hunting at 10,000 meters?





You shouldn’t comment on military related subjects. For your own sake go to the members section. I don’t like to be harsh but it’s the truth. You speak nonsense.
 
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In order to fail, you have to first try. Where and when on gods green earth did Russia fire a single missile at that birage? Especially from the S-400? This would be like me accusing the US, UK and France of being incapable and failing to shoot down a single Russian cruise missile in Syria when they have bases inside Syria, Turkey and Cyprus, similar they have warships armed with surface to air missiles off the Syrian coast, yet have they shot down a single Russian cruise missiles?
FYI: https://themoscowtimes.com/news/any...l-be-shot-down-russian-ambassador-warns-61123

When YOU issue such a warning, it imply that Russian defenses will be activated during the course of strikes from NATO. And I believe that they were active during the course.

Good luck for proving me wrong on this one.

In any case that was an embarrassing operation for the west, many of the cruise missiles missed their targets, a university was destroyed, Russia detected one of the most advanced NATO submarines and prevented it from firing missiles, French warships also were trailed by Russian warships and had malfunctions when trying to fire cruise missiles. The operation was a blunder...
Embarrassing operation for the WEST? Objective of those strikes was to hurt Syrian chemical weapons research & development capability only, not to topple Syrian regime. Towards this end, NATO succeeded in destroying whatever they wanted to across Syria.

Embarrassing reality is that both Syrian and Russian defenses utterly failed to deliver during the course of strikes from NATO. Syrians were firing missiles blindly in the air and the gullible were mistaking self-destruct sequences for cruise missiles being shot down. :rolleyes:

As for your 'many of the cruise missiles missed their targets' claim - can you provide evidence? My assessment is that NATO over-shot its targets.

The submarine-related incident occurred prior to the strikes, you twat. FYI: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ubmarine-hunted-Russia-cat-mouse-pursuit.html

During the course of strikes from NATO, they had turned much of the Mediterranean Sea into "kill zone" with scores of NATO Jets and other stuff patrolling the airspace to address any untoward and/or malicious activity. Russian activity on the ground and in the Mediterranean Sea was found to be minimum at the time.

You suffer from acute western fanboy syndrome, symptoms include irrational outbursts, gloating, making, unsubstantiated claims, using phrases such as “best in the world”, “unmatched”, and so on. Denial is often prevelant, whenever western equipment fails spectacularly to Russian equipment like say the hundreds of MRAPS, tanks and aircraft shot down in Yemen, it’s always never the fault to glorious western technology.
I have yet to address the heaps of nonsense that you love to parrot around in this forum. When I will, you won't have a place to cover your face in embarrassment. My advice to you is to stick your silly insults in your pockets.
 
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FYI: https://themoscowtimes.com/news/any...l-be-shot-down-russian-ambassador-warns-61123

When YOU issue such a warning, it imply that Russian defenses will be activated during the course of strikes from NATO. And I believe that they were active during the course.




That comment was made from an ambassador to Lebanon. Not Putin nor anyone in the military said anything of the sort, it was unofficiall chest thumping by a random politician. The embassador said Russia would target any launch platform, certainly they never did that despite easily being able to so. If you remember Russia had submarines and warships that detected and shadowed a British submarine as well as French ships. They easily have the capabilities to attack any NATO launch platform but wisely chose not to.


Lastly no one at Khmeimim or Tortus airbase reported any missiles being fired, nor did any soldiers or civilians record any videos of any missiles being fired nor did NATO report Russia targeting anything, nor did anyone report anything on Twitter or any social media/news outlets where as in the past when Russian forces opened fire fire on drones from Khmeimim there was cellphone videos and twitter reports, they even provided wreckage.



Good luck for proving me wrong on this one.



It doesn’t take much to provide you wrong. Notice you have nothing to back your claims with.




Embarrassing operation for the WEST? Objective of those strikes was to hurt Syrian chemical weapons research & development capability



A university and a few barns were destroyed, many cruise missiles failed to hit their targets or in the case of French warships they couldn’t even fire off a salvo, same with the British submarine that was detected and hunted by the Russian navy, it aborted its mission in which it was supposed fire cruise missiles, the British even asked the US to aid them by asking the US navy to dispatch an anti submarine aircraft in the hopes of disrupting the Russian Navy so the British submarine could get away. Lastly US electronics warfare aircraft were “disabled” by heavy jamming at some point.




only, not to topple Syrian regime. Towards this end, NATO succeeded in destroying whatever they wanted to across Syria.




It was a pathetic show of force in which nothing was accomplished and everything that could go wrong did go wrong short of aircraft being shot down or ships being sunk.



Embarrassing reality is that both Syrian and Russian defenses utterly failed to deliver during the course of strikes from NATO. Syrians were firing missiles blindly in the air and the gullible were mistaking self-destruct sequences for cruise missiles being shot down. :rolleyes:


Russia didn’t fire a single shot at NATO cruise missiles. Again we know this because no one in or around Khmeimim or Tortus reported any activity nor did NATO ever accuse Russia of firing off any missiles but they moaned and cryed like little girls when Russian forces disrupted their operations.




Russia embarrassed the British by locating their most advanced submarine and shadowing it and they did the same with the French. And like I said, at some point they even disabled US electronics warfare aircraft and somehow managed to hack encripted channels such as aircraft IFF.

NATO forces in Syria were toyed with and embarrassed. NATO super duper undetectable submarines were detected, the most sophisticated EM aircraft were “knocked out” according to US officials and encrypted channels were broken.



As for your 'many of the cruise missiles missed their targets' claim - can you provide evidence? My assessment is that NATO over-shot its targets.



I went through this before. No one actually believes the coalition claims that this is the amount of cruise missiles it used to hit these targets :lol:

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Here are clear misses:


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More misses:

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Unexploded Tomahawk warhead, proof NATO lied when they said all missiles hit their targets:

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Compare warhead with illustration:

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Clear shrapnel:

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The submarine-related incident occurred prior to the strikes, you twat. FYI:



Not only are you a hot head but highly low on the IQ scale. That British submarine was headed to Syria to take part in the strikes but was unable to due to a Russian Kilo submarine and warships, learn to read what you post :lol:



I have yet to address the heaps of nonsense that you love to parrot around in this forum. When I will, you won't have a place to cover your face in embarrassment. My advice to you is to stick your silly insults in your pockets.




You are the one known to pound your little chest and make moronic claims in which many people have called you out on. I usually stay quiet and only debate western fanboys like yourself that constantly make nonsense claims and act like cheerleaders. I recommend you follow your own advice and zip your hole otherwise stop complaining when someone debunks you.
 
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That comment was made from an ambassador to Lebanon. Not Putin nor anyone in the military said anything of the sort, it was unofficiall chest thumping by a random politician. The embassador said Russia would target any launch platform, certainly they never did that despite easily being able to so. If you remember Russia had submarines and warships that detected and shadowed a British submarine as well as French ships. They easily have the capabilities to attack any NATO launch platform but wisely chose not to.
That guy is not a random politician but an ambassador of Putin regime, posted in Lebanon. Unlike you, he is privy to insider deliberations in Putin regime and it would be unethical for him to issue blanket statements on an issue of this magnitude. If you think he issued a blanket statement then Putin regime is to blame for hiring sentimental people to represent its cause in other countries.

Russian defenses were active during the course of strikes from NATO in Syria. Although S-400 was not used to engage incoming cruise missiles, other Russian-made systems utterly failed to stop the barrage (employed by Syrians of-course):

When the U.S., France and Britain launched 105 cruise missiles at a trio of Syrian targets April 13, all eyes were on how the vaunted air defense network in Syria would handle the weapon.

But the crown jewel of that system, Russia’s highly regarded S-400, never fired. And while the older Syrian systems did appear to launch some munitions, the Pentagon claims those systems were not used until after the Western weaponry had already impacted their targets.

“Russian air defenses were energized. They were scanning.... They did not choose to engage,” Marine Corps Lt. Gen. Kenneth McKenzie, the director of the Joint Staff, said during an April 19 press event. “I can tell you though that the rest of Syrian air [defense] capability, which is completely Russian-made, Russian-designed, Russian-supported, engaged extensively and comprehensively failed.”


The obvious question that remains unanswered is whether Russia chose not to engage S-400s, or was simply unable to, whether because of American nonkinetic capabilities impacting those system or some other reason. Given the pre-attack notice given by the Pentagon to Russian forces through a deconfliction line, as well as the fact that no strikes were targeted at the air defenses themselves, analysts lean toward the former.

Regardless, the fact the S-400 was not engaged means drawing hard conclusions about Syria’s air defense network from the strikes is difficult, said Tom Karako of the Center for Strategic and International Studies.


Source: https://www.defensenews.com/pentago...-from-the-strikes-in-syria-america-or-russia/

People were mistaking self-destruct sequences of Syrian (Russian-made) AA/AD missiles for intercepts, not realizing that much of the barrage was over earlier. It shall be kept in mind that those strikes took place around 4 am when most people are/were asleep, and many were caught unaware. I saw the footage of supposed intercepts and found no such evidence in them.

My take is that Russian-made weaponry failed to deliver in real-time situations and Russians are unreliable as a partner. Your excuses are as lame as Russian threats.

Lastly no one at Khmeimim or Tortus airbase reported any missiles being fired, nor did any soldiers or civilians record any videos of any missiles being fired nor did NATO report Russia targeting anything, nor did anyone report anything on Twitter or any social media/news outlets where as in the past when Russian forces opened fire fire on drones from Khmeimim there was cellphone videos and twitter reports, they even provided wreckage.
Russians did not engage but Syrians chose to, with Russian-made weaponry; and all of that weaponry failed to deliver. Russia had a fantastic opportunity to test its S-400 and prove its worth but.....

It doesn’t take much to provide you wrong. Notice you have nothing to back your claims with.
Really? And you were posted in Syria during the course of strikes by NATO and they showed you everything?

A university and a few barns were destroyed, many cruise missiles failed to hit their targets
This is why I do not take you seriously. One cannot have a meaningful conversation with you due to your mindset.

or in the case of French warships they couldn’t even fire off a salvo, same with the British submarine that was detected and hunted by the Russian navy, it aborted its mission in which it was supposed fire cruise missiles, the British even asked the US to aid them by asking the US navy to dispatch an anti submarine aircraft in the hopes of disrupting the Russian Navy so the British submarine could get away. Lastly US electronics warfare aircraft were “disabled” by heavy jamming at some point.
And Russians still failed to prevent NATO from carrying out strikes in Syria, and succeed in destroying whatever they wanted to. I wonder what those Russian submarines were doing during the course of strikes by NATO or you are trying to project a FALSE PICTURE of events in question.

One French warship suffered a malfunction but the other delivered during the course of strikes in Syria:

When a French multimission frigate failed to fire its salvo of three naval cruise missiles during last weekend’s joint airstrike on Syria, the military drew on a backup plan.

The frigate’s sister ship, the Languedoc, instead launched its naval cruise missiles at the three Syrian targets. The mission was the first time France fired its naval cruise missile, a weapon which up until then only the British and U.S. had fired against a threat.

“The first salvo did not fire,” Army Col. Patrick Steiger, spokesman for the French Joint Chief of Staff, told Defense News on April 18.

The launch by a backup ship is part of France’s standard “redundancy” approach, the spokesman said.

“All the targets were hit,” he added. “The military effect was obtained.” That effectiveness led the commanders to decide there was no need for a second strike of naval cruise weapons, he explained.


Source: https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2...missile-launch-fails-during-syria-airstrikes/

Continue to read below.

It was a pathetic show of force in which nothing was accomplished and everything that could go wrong did go wrong short of aircraft being shot down or ships being sunk.
blah blah blah - more lame excuses.

Focus on the failure of Russian-made weaponry in stopping a barrage of cruise missiles over Syria instead.

Russia didn’t fire a single shot at NATO cruise missiles. Again we know this because no one in or around Khmeimim or Tortus reported any activity nor did NATO ever accuse Russia of firing off any missiles but they moaned and cryed like little girls when Russian forces disrupted their operations.
Does it matter? Syrian forces chose to engage the barrage but Russian-made weaponry failed to deliver. And according to a Russian analyst, even S-400 battalions in Syria would not have made much difference:

Anton Lavrov, an analyst who tracks Russian military thinking and capabilities, said it wouldn’t have made much sense to engage the Russian systems, as the “S-400 in Syria can’t make a difference anyway. There are too few launchers (no more than two battalions) to intercept all or at least a majority of the hundred-missile salvo.”

Source: https://www.defensenews.com/pentago...-from-the-strikes-in-syria-america-or-russia/

Russia embarrassed the British by locating their most advanced submarine and shadowing it and they did the same with the French. And like I said, at some point they even disabled US electronics warfare aircraft and somehow managed to hack encripted channels such as aircraft IFF.

NATO forces in Syria were toyed with and embarrassed. NATO super duper undetectable submarines were detected, the most sophisticated EM aircraft were “knocked out” according to US officials and encrypted channels were broken.
What a load of crap! Who embarrassed who is clear from this:

END GAME

Like the British submarine, neither the USS Donald Cook or USS Winston Churchill actually fired any Tomahawk cruise missiles.

It may never have been the point of their presence.

They were a distraction. A diversion.

Russia appears to have focused all its attention on these easily seen ‘threats’.

Instead, six Tomahawk cruise missiles suddenly appeared out of the Eastern Mediterranean from the hidden Virginia-class nuclear attack submarine USS John Warner.

All the 105 US, British and French missiles came from unexpected directions.

Bombers had refuelled at and above Cyprus before dashing in to unleash their guided weapons. Tomahawks were fired from warships in the Red Sea to the south and the Persian Gulf to the east.


It was all intended to overwhelm Syria’s defences.

It worked.


Source: https://www.news.com.au/technology/...a/news-story/d6a23877eb34b71bf8e3168b8f06e1d8

I went through this before. No one actually believes the coalition claims that this is the amount of cruise missiles it used to hit these targets :lol:

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You consider that a rebuttal? That is amateurish load of crap.

That compound was huge, incorporating three rectangular buildings; it provided ample room for 76 cruise missiles to bore through from various angles. Objective was to bury chemicals beneath tons of rubble and prevent a regional disaster, not to evaporate that building from the face of the Earth and/or level the entire neighborhood. My take is that Americans armed their cruise missiles with least destructive warheads for this compound.

Why you parroting these silly images around?

What was struck and destroyed, is clearly shown here: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/damage-assessment-of-strikes-in-syria-by-nato-what-was-struck.553781/

Unexploded Tomahawk warhead, proof NATO lied when they said all missiles hit their targets:

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Compare warhead with illustration:

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Clear shrapnel:

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They found an intact warhead and it is enough to convince you that majority of cruise missiles missed their targets? Are you drunk? I suppose you are.

Not only are you a hot head but highly low on the IQ scale. That British submarine was headed to Syria to take part in the strikes but was unable to due to a Russian Kilo submarine and warships, learn to read what you post :lol:
You trying to get personal with me? Who is low on the IQ scale is clearly evident from your posts.

You are the one known to pound your little chest and make moronic claims in which many people have called you out on. I usually stay quiet and only debate western fanboys like yourself that constantly make nonsense claims and act like cheerleaders. I recommend you follow your own advice and zip your hole otherwise stop complaining when someone debunks you.
Many people are like 6 or 7? Majority here take my posts seriously.

Not interested in exchanging unpleasantries with a Russian bot.
 
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What exactly is the role of the S-500?

Its intercept speed suggests an anti-ICBM capability akin to the GBI or the Chinese DN-series, yet its range and alleged intercept ceiling is more similar to that of the PAC-3 ERINT or AAD. Active radar guidance (as claimed by MilitaryRecognition.com) also allows the missile to engage aircraft.

It's difficult to parse through the slew of information online, some bullsh!t and some otherwise, and arrive at a concise conclusion. If it is meant to replace the A-135 series of ABM interceptors then it is essentially a Russian close counterpart to the GBI/DN.
 
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I never in my life hear something so incredibly absurd. Quick, tell the US and Russia your genius idea, they keep using other sane methods. How will you put something in the fight path of missile? Airlift a giant wall with a bunch of helicopters and pray the S-500 hits it :lol:

By flying so low that there is a mountain between me and the incoming missile.
The mountain lacks both range and velocity and will still kill the missile.

Just about every modern Russian missile can maneuver and has jamming capabilities, but Yep a missile traveling Mach 21 that was designed to be difficult to intercept will be easier then and airplane to hit....

And how will the missile jam an infrared sensor?
A Mach 21 missile is going to be pretty damn hot at 10,000 meters. 15-2000’ C.

It will take a lot of energy to manouver at MACH 21, to avoid an incoming missile,
and even more to regain tracking of the real target.
That assumes the missile can be detected, which is not obvious.

I think you need to look up what kenetic energy is.
Yea, like those Saudi and Israeli Patriots that crash or just fail to hit anything. In the gulf war the Patriot was also garbage. There is no data or proof that supports your claims. There is no way you would know how reliable or Unreliable something is.

You want to withdraw Your statement that [Russian] missiles are so bad that they have to be fired in salvoes?
 
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S-500 is a medium/short range ballistic missile interceptor, much like a land based SM-6.

If S-500 was deployed then its target will be Russian immediate neighbour, which is Japan, North and South Korea, India, Pakistani and China.

S-500 will not be useful for missile launched from US mainland.....

You do know S-500 is not the same system of S-400 or S-300?

S-500 is a THAAD like system, S-400 is like SM-2ER system, S-500 is defence against immediate ballistic missile attack, S-300/400 is for A2/AD.

Think vis-à-vis where Russia can deploy their S-500 when they become operational? Russian soil and its immediate neighbour (Russia, India, Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan) , which all bordering China, then think why China is so oppose to US THAAD deployment to South Korea.

S-500 from inception is not against country like US unless a Naval version is developed, unless you can put S-500 radar system on Canada and Mexico to monitor US missile activities.

So, jokes is on you, because you lack of any military and scientific knowledge. Go study some military technology before you challenge people like me, otherwise YOU will looks stupid.

S-300 and S-400 are geared to operate against SRBM, MRBMs and IRBMs. While S-500 has been geared to operate against SR/MR/IR and ICBMs.

It doesn't matter where the missile comes from, the idea is to protect the target from a missile attack. The SAMs are only designed to protect their own location. If you put the S-500 on a ship, then the SAM will only protect the flotilla or the battle group.

I think you are confused between two very different systems. You can divide BMD into three categories, boost phase, mid course and terminal interception. The AEGIS BMD and the Ground Based BMD are mid course systems and have to be located on ships typically in order to put itself between the launcher and target. But the S-500 is a terminal phase BMD, like THAAD, so it's located at the target. So when we speak of terminal phase BMDs, the location of the launcher and the bearing of missile are irrelevant, although this information can be useful.

And the S-500 has been designed solely to protect Russian areas of interest from American ICBMs. The S-500 can intercept missiles that travel at speeds of 7Km/s and more. That's ICBM level speeds.

The Chinese objection to the THAAD in South Korea has nothing to do with missile defence, but everything to do with monitoring Chinese airspace. They don't like it. Radars that are typically used to monitor enemy airspace are radically different.

So, tell me, what would you feel if India decided to purchase S-500?

Nobody is currently at the level of the Russians when it comes to BMD of this nature. However, by the time the S-500 becomes available for export, we may will have developed our own ICBM stoppers.

Currently we are working on 2 new SAMs in the Phase II of our BMD program that can stop missiles that are fired from 5000-6000Km away. The distance from the farthest Chinese frontier and the SCS is about 5000-6000Km away. Our most dangerous threat is borderline-ICBMs, so we will be able to stop such missiles once Phase II is implemented. There's also a laser BMD.

Once Phase II finishes development, we will progress towards ICBM stoppers.
 
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S-300 and S-400 are geared to operate against SRBM, MRBMs and IRBMs. While S-500 has been geared to operate against SR/MR/IR and ICBMs.

It doesn't matter where the missile comes from, the idea is to protect the target from a missile attack. The SAMs are only designed to protect their own location. If you put the S-500 on a ship, then the SAM will only protect the flotilla or the battle group.

I think you are confused between two very different systems. You can divide BMD into three categories, boost phase, mid course and terminal interception. The AEGIS BMD and the Ground Based BMD are mid course systems and have to be located on ships typically in order to put itself between the launcher and target. But the S-500 is a terminal phase BMD, like THAAD, so it's located at the target. So when we speak of terminal phase BMDs, the location of the launcher and the bearing of missile are irrelevant, although this information can be useful.

And the S-500 has been designed solely to protect Russian areas of interest from American ICBMs. The S-500 can intercept missiles that travel at speeds of 7Km/s and more. That's ICBM level speeds.

The Chinese objection to the THAAD in South Korea has nothing to do with missile defence, but everything to do with monitoring Chinese airspace. They don't like it. Radars that are typically used to monitor enemy airspace are radically different.



Nobody is currently at the level of the Russians when it comes to BMD of this nature. However, by the time the S-500 becomes available for export, we may will have developed our own ICBM stoppers.

Currently we are working on 2 new SAMs in the Phase II of our BMD program that can stop missiles that are fired from 5000-6000Km away. The distance from the farthest Chinese frontier and the SCS is about 5000-6000Km away. Our most dangerous threat is borderline-ICBMs, so we will be able to stop such missiles once Phase II is implemented. There's also a laser BMD.

Once Phase II finishes development, we will progress towards ICBM stoppers.

You can tell yourself that, I don't talk to people who are delusional...
 
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What exactly is the role of the S-500?

Its intercept speed suggests an anti-ICBM capability akin to the GBI or the Chinese DN-series, yet its range and alleged intercept ceiling is more similar to that of the PAC-3 ERINT or AAD. Active radar guidance (as claimed by MilitaryRecognition.com) also allows the missile to engage aircraft.

It's difficult to parse through the slew of information online, some bullsh!t and some otherwise, and arrive at a concise conclusion. If it is meant to replace the A-135 series of ABM interceptors then it is essentially a Russian close counterpart to the GBI/DN.

GBI and DN are mid course interceptors. S-500 is a terminal phase interceptor.

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So the S-500 stops warheads released by ICBMs during reentry.

You can tell yourself that, I don't talk to people who are delusional...

:lol:

Why is that delusional? I only speak facts. People only choose to believe it or not.

Here's a kiddie drawing about the interception phases, so you can start from here before you claim other people do not have expertise. BMD 101.
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Note the three "Defense Methods" mentioned.

And here's Wikipedia using the words "Midcourse".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-Based_Midcourse_Defense
Ground-Based Midcourse Defense (GMD) is the United States' anti-ballistic missile system for intercepting incoming warheads in space, during the midcourse phase of ballistic trajectory flight.

Simple picture with examples to further educate you.
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The S-500 stops ICBMs. The interception itself happens at the end phase of the missile's flight.

As of today, the S-500 has no equivalent.
 
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GBI and DN are mid course interceptors. S-500 is a terminal phase interceptor.

missiledefensephases.jpg


So the S-500 stops warheads released by ICBMs during reentry.



:lol:

Why is that delusional? I only speak facts. People only choose to believe it or not.

Here's a kiddie drawing about the interception phases, so you can start from here before you claim other people do not have expertise. BMD 101.
missiledefensephases.jpg


Note the three "Defense Methods" mentioned.

And here's Wikipedia using the words "Midcourse".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-Based_Midcourse_Defense
Ground-Based Midcourse Defense (GMD) is the United States' anti-ballistic missile system for intercepting incoming warheads in space, during the midcourse phase of ballistic trajectory flight.

Simple picture with examples to further educate you.
Missile_Fig1.gif


The S-500 stops ICBMs. The interception itself happens at the end phase of the missile's flight.

As of today, the S-500 has no equivalent.

This doesn't make a lot of sense. Intercepting an ICBM at the terminal stage is probably the least favorable option, as it leaves the defender with only seconds of reaction time and reduces the probability of interception given the possibility of terminal-guided warheads.

This leads me to suspect that (1) this is the Russian equivalent of the GBI / Dong Neng (and that the figures surrounding its maximum intercept altitudes and range are wrong) or (2) this is merely a PAC-3/HQ-29-like system intended to destroy shorter-ranged ballistic missiles at the terminal phase but with added anti-aircraft capabilities (hence implying that the 7 km/s intercept speed is incorrect).

A missile capable of achieving a 7 km/s intercept velocity (which would be comparable to that of the GBI or Dong Neng) would definitely be capable of engaging incoming missiles at exoatmospheric altitudes (~1000 km) rather than the 40 km ascribed to the S-500.
 
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This doesn't make a lot of sense. Intercepting an ICBM at the terminal stage is probably the least favorable option, as it leaves the defender with only seconds of reaction time and reduces the probability of interception given the possibility of terminal-guided warheads.

All three are required.

India is working on two of the three right now. Laser based BMD for boost phase and missiles for terminal phase. In India's case, midcourse is of the least priority because of the shorter distances involved, but even that's coming up in time.

This leads me to suspect that (1) this is the Russian equivalent of the GBI / Dong Neng (and that the figures surrounding its maximum intercept altitudes and range are wrong) or (2) this is merely a PAC-3/HQ-29-like system intended to destroy shorter-ranged ballistic missiles at the terminal phase but with added anti-aircraft capabilities (hence implying that the 7 km/s intercept speed is incorrect).

No. For midcourse interception you need very large missiles that can gain an altitude up to 1500Km or more since those are the altitudes ICBMs reach in the midcourse phase. The S-500 is a terminal phase BMD with an altitude of not more than 200Km.

Not to mention, the S-500 is also geared to stop hypersonic cruise missiles. A GBI or DN cannot perform such a function. The GBI is a gigantic missile that is 16m long and weighs above 20T with extreme ranges above 3000 or 4000Km with extremely high altitude, potentially above 2000Km. The biggest S-500 missile will not be heavier than 2T and can be carried on the back of trucks, with a range not more than 600Km and altitude more than 200Km.

With the exception of the US and China, nobody can really afford midcourse ICBM stoppers.

A missile capable of achieving a 7 km/s intercept velocity (which would be comparable to that of the GBI or Dong Neng) would definitely be capable of engaging incoming missiles at exoatmospheric altitudes (~1000 km) rather than the 40 km ascribed to the S-500.

Even if technically possible (the missiles can be upgraded for midcourse, like SM-3), there's no chance of that happening. The search radar of the S-500 may not even cross 2000Km. Right now they are talking about 1500Km. For midcourse, you need massive tracking radars, like the Sea Based X Band radar or the big radars on cruisers. The S-500's radars are truck mounted and will be incapable of midcourse interception.
 
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