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His opinion is same as theirs thats why he is liking them.

It is funny that all these Non-Muslim haters of Islam and of Muslim people support Iranian negative policies in the Muslim world. They want a bloodbath between all of us.

You here have an Islamic Republic of Iran which defends Atheist Assad, genocidal Serbia, occupier Armenia, Hindutva rapist Modi India, and cold-blooded Russians with a history of killing Muslims all over the world.

It is really quite amazing. I am even seeing far right white racist alt-right (and social media generation) of the West supporting Iran in all its policies.

Some of them like Tulsi Gabbard openly relish in Sunni-Shia civil war in every Muslim country.
 
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There is absolutely no evidence that "secularism" leads to less violence. The World Wars, which have been (BY FAR) the most violent events of the past century were not fueled by religious extremism.

India, even under "secular" Congress, kept Kashmir under a brutal occupation. You may like to read an intellectually stimulating essay titled “The Liberal Order Is the Incubator for Authoritarianism” by Pankaj Mishra: https://lareviewofbooks.org/article...itarianism-a-conversation-with-pankaj-mishra/

Please do not equate secularism with peace. It is these reductionist and counter-productive tropes that disallow genuine debate. Whether history will deem Erdogan a hero or villain will depend largely on what Erdogan is able to deliver to his people in terms of social justice, economic security/progress, overall peace, etc.
@CriticalThought @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

Talking with some Turkish people here in Sydney, I have heard differing views on the topic of Erdogan. Here is the best advice: don't get enamored by any world leaders of our age. There is only one single and simple benchmark to gauge a leader: how closely he follows the religion of Allah as revealed upon His Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu 'Alaihi Wa Aalihi Wasallam, and as practiced by him and his followers May Allah be Pleased with them. You will find it hard to find any leader who satisfies this test.
 
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the muslim idiots and dipshits supporting russia should go to central asia and read up on what they did to masajid snd muslims there. USA being wrong doesnt make russia right/good.

Prove it!!! Till then keep yapping and no one will pay you any heed, certainly not me.

Tell you one thing though, True Muslimeen find someone yapping about being Muslim and fighting with the backing of america, britain, france or any other western country ... such idiots are straight up in the category of being the enemy and on the battlefield True Muslimeen shall and will fight and defeat such jahils.

Also, what sort of an idiot sides with racist, anti-muslim, genocidal kuffar (who have done things like this in the very recent past) against Muslims?

Listen up, either you prove that Muslims were persecuted by present day Russia on the basis that they are Muslims and they (Russia) persecuting on the grounds that they are Orthodox Christians. Otherwise your claims are baseless and what is at best a politically motivated persecution, has no bearing on them being Muslims, rather Central Asian.

talking about Caliph Umar yet siding with murderous non-muslims, seriously, do you feel any shame?

Huh ... asking me about shame? Please, ignorance is on you, for failure to discern between Orthodox Christians, Russians and Soviets.

Lemme be perfectly clear to the idiots out there just so your dumb brains don't make this mistake again ... I am a Muslim, a Pukthun and I am Pakistani. My grandparents are from Qandhar, many of my relatives died fighting Soviet occupation. I make the distinction between Soviet Jewish Atheist and Orthodox Christians (who are majority Russians). I do not give a $hit whether you are Shia, Sunni, Russian or American, so long as you believe in the ONE GOD (ALLAH), in Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam as the final Prophet of Allah and you believe in Eisa Alaihi Salam (Jesus) as the Messiah of Allah. Then I am your friend, brother, ally and I will fight shoulder to shoulder along side you against zionist western $w!nes and those jahils who call themselves Muslims and make zionist-western forces, their allies. Now if you happen to be the governments of saudi, emirates, qatar, kuwait, bahrain, egypt, turkey or any other Muslim country, that govt or govts are the enemy of Islam and my enemy. The people of such countries who are loyal to Islam, be you even Russian, Pakistani or Afghan, you are my brother, friend and ally.

Now go educate yourself about Islam, about what Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam teaches us about the enemies of Allah and the friends of Allah.

Nothing you can say, do or force upon me will EVER deter me from striving to be a Muslim, an Ummi of Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam and to grow closer to Allah.

Those who love Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam, immerse themselves in the Qur'an are rightly guided by Allah.

So half of your family is killed by russians and you are still defending them well I guess our conversation ends here cause if you like them still despite everything what they did to your relatives then it’s hopeless discussion with you
I am aware of what West is doing in muslim majority countries this however doesn’t exonerate Russia
Maybe if arabs didn’t betray their so called muslim brothers(turks) during WW1 then we wouldn’t have witnessed all these tragic events in ME and beyond
Arabs opened the doors for their french and british allies now they should deal with the consequences

Soviet Union is NOT the Russian Federation. If you fail to make that distinction, then there is no point responding to anything you say. Go educate yourself about Bolsheviks, Atheist Jews and Communist Soviet Union before saying anything.

Context of the thread and posts of Imran Hossein's fan clearly describe my point superboy.

Some people are really hung up on one guy and it's just hilarious to see how people like you just cling to your one cheap shot all the time. Keep talking about Imran Hosein, it's all good, makes him more popular!!!

You need to look into other scholars. Dr. Israr Ahmad should be your first choice. He actually asked Imran Hosein to study the Quran from the beginning, become hafiz, get ijazat to teach fiqh, it was Imran Hosein who refused and left Dr. Israr Ahmad's organization.

I have met Dr. Israr Ahmad personally and have had many discussions with him, in the presence of Imran Hosein and other scholars. The difference between me and you is that I don't cling to one scholar and hold on it as the Gospel Truth. It is most likely why you made the childish mistake of associating me with Imran Hosein.

My back ground is Pukhtun and my family has followed the scholars like Abdul Aleem Siddiqui (Rahmatullah Alai) and Dr. Fazlur Rahman Ansari (Rahmatullah Alai). Imran Hosein has been the student (long before he ever met Dr. Israel Ahmad) and that is why I studied his works among others.

So in the interest of decorum and what my parents taught me, I respectfully acknowledge your post and differ on your stance that Turkey's govt (not it's people) are on the right track and are pro-Islam. I do not believe that to be true and I will not support any govt (even Pakistani or Afghan) that takes america, britain or france as their allies and recognizes the illegal, illegitimate, criminal, fascist and unholy state of israel ... Period!!!
 
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Prove it!!! Till then keep yapping and no one will pay you any heed, certainly not me.

Tell you one thing though, True Muslimeen find someone yapping about being Muslim and fighting with the backing of america, britain, france or any other western country ... such idiots are straight up in the category of being the enemy and on the battlefield True Muslimeen shall and will fight and defeat such jahils.



Listen up, either you prove that Muslims were persecuted by present day Russia on the basis that they are Muslims and they (Russia) persecuting on the grounds that they are Orthodox Christians. Otherwise your claims are baseless and what is at best a politically motivated persecution, has no bearing on them being Muslims, rather Central Asian.



Huh ... asking me about shame? Please, ignorance is on you, for failure to discern between Orthodox Christians, Russians and Soviets.

Lemme be perfectly clear to the idiots out there just so your dumb brains don't make this mistake again ... I am a Muslim, a Pukthun and I am Pakistani. My grandparents are from Qandhar, many of my relatives died fighting Soviet occupation. I make the distinction between Soviet Jewish Atheist and Orthodox Christians (who are majority Russians). I do not give a $hit whether you are Shia, Sunni, Russian or American, so long as you believe in the ONE GOD (ALLAH), in Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam as the final Prophet of Allah and you believe in Eisa Alaihi Salam (Jesus) as the Messiah of Allah. Then I am your friend, brother, ally and I will fight shoulder to shoulder along side you against zionist western $w!nes and those jahils who call themselves Muslims and make zionist-western forces, their allies. Now if you happen to be the governments of saudi, emirates, qatar, kuwait, bahrain, egypt, turkey or any other Muslim country, that govt or govts are the enemy of Islam and my enemy. The people of such countries who are loyal to Islam, be you even Russian, Pakistani or Afghan, you are my brother, friend and ally.

Now go educate yourself about Islam, about what Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam teaches us about the enemies of Allah and the friends of Allah.

Nothing you can say, do or force upon me will EVER deter me from striving to be a Muslim, an Ummi of Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam and to grow closer to Allah.

Those who love Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam, immerse themselves in the Qur'an are rightly guided by Allah.



Soviet Union is NOT the Russian Federation. If you fail to make that distinction, then there is no point responding to anything you say. Go educate yourself about Bolsheviks, Atheist Jews and Communist Soviet Union before saying anything.



Some people are really hung up on one guy and it's just hilarious to see how people like you just cling to your one cheap shot all the time. Keep talking about Imran Hosein, it's all good, makes him more popular!!!



I have met Dr. Israr Ahmad personally and have had many discussions with him, in the presence of Imran Hosein and other scholars. The difference between me and you is that I don't cling to one scholar and hold on it as the Gospel Truth. It is most likely why you made the childish mistake of associating me with Imran Hosein.

My back ground is Pukhtun and my family has followed the scholars like Abdul Aleem Siddiqui (Rahmatullah Alai) and Dr. Fazlur Rahman Ansari (Rahmatullah Alai). Imran Hosein has been the student (long before he ever met Dr. Israel Ahmad) and that is why I studied his works among others.

So in the interest of decorum and what my parents taught me, I respectfully acknowledge your post and differ on your stance that Turkey's govt (not it's people) are on the right track and are pro-Islam. I do not believe that to be true and I will not support any govt (even Pakistani or Afghan) that takes america, britain or france as their allies and recognizes the illegal, illegitimate, criminal, fascist and unholy state of israel ... Period!!!
one thing only: you are an idiot, enjoy cucking to russians like others do to US

are the russians supporting murderous assad regime or not? is putin an ex-kgb officer or not (hence making current russia a continuation of the soviet union)? did the current russia invade and murder chechens(muslims) or not? did they support serbia in the genocide of muslims or not? you are an idiot.

Prove it!!! Till then keep yapping and no one will pay you any heed, certainly not me.
that is because you are an idiot, and havent read any history. google is your best friend. also, werent you the one going mad over hagia sophia and sultans of ottomans, and yet you are separating actions of current russia from the soviets (do you see the hypocrisy or irony or whatever here?). you are a confused little man.
 
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Set back after set backs after set backs... When the Quran explicitly says that Non-Muslims will not be your friends, we have people here who believe they can be.

Some people here are lost in their fantasy...
 
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I have met Dr. Israr Ahmad personally and have had many discussions with him, in the presence of Imran Hosein and other scholars. The difference between me and you is that I don't cling to one scholar and hold on it as the Gospel Truth. It is most likely why you made the childish mistake of associating me with Imran Hosein.

Listen kid, I don't worship any scholar but Allah swt and my greatest teacher is Muhammad saws. I love Dr. Israr Ahmad because he has proper knowledge and his aqeedah is sound.

Imran Hosein neither has knowledge nor is his aqeedah in the right place. He has no qualms in making takfir left and right, insulting others, and has a problem with cronyism to Russia, India, and Iran.

These are all old habits of this charlatan, I am glad that Allah swt showed the reality of this man to me early on. As I was interested in his topics, I followed his works until the mid-2000s, alhamdulilah I learned alot but I was careful due to him not having a proper ijazat to teach Islam, him not being Hafiz, nor knowledge of fiqh.

When he inevitably veered off into superstition and Kaffir worship, I simply begun to ignore him. Orya Maqbool Jan gave a good answer to this man's abuse against Pakistan and his misguided views on Kashmir, along with his lack of knowledge of RSS.

 
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one thing only: you are an idiot, enjoy cucking to russians like others do to US

are the russians supporting murderous assad regime or not? is putin an ex-kgb officer or not (hence making current russia a continuation of the soviet union)? did the current russia invade and murder chechens(muslims) or not? did they support serbia in the genocide of muslims or not? you are an idiot.


that is because you are an idiot, and havent read any history. google is your best friend. also, werent you the one going mad over hagia sophia and sultans of ottomans, and yet you are separating actions of current russia from the soviets (do you see the hypocrisy or irony or whatever here?). you are a confused little man.

Blah, blah, blah ... says the idiota!

Listen kid, I don't worship any scholar but Allah swt and my greatest teacher is Muhammad saws. I love Dr. Israr Ahmad because he has proper knowledge and his aqeedah is sound.

Imran Hosein neither has knowledge nor is his aqeedah in the right place. He has no qualms in making takfir left and right, insulting others, and has a problem with cronyism to Russia, India, and Iran.

These are all old habits of this charlatan, I am glad that Allah swt showed the reality of this man to me early on. As I was interested in his topics, I followed his works until the mid-2000s, alhamdulilah I learned alot but I was careful due to him not having a proper ijazat to teach Islam, him not being Hafiz, nor knowledge of fiqh.

When he inevitably veered off into superstition and Kaffir worship, I simply begun to ignore him. Orya Maqbool Jan gave a good answer to this man's abuse against Pakistan and his misguided views on Kashmir, along with his lack of knowledge of RSS.


Fine by me if you wanna behave like that. You are now on my ignore list, since you've proven to me that it's just hatred that fills you. See ya!!!
 
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firstly, you are derailing the thread, the topic is russia. secodnly,did the russians ever rose up in protests against those things? do the russians acknowledge and feel bad for those things or do they vote officers belonging to former kgb in power?

the muslim idiots and dipshits supporting russia should go to central asia and read up on what they did to masajid snd muslims there. USA being wrong doesnt make russia right/good
That means you don't understand the psychology behind some of this people's logic. The thing is, as far as a country ( in this case Russia, which is still an ultra orthodox Christian European power) has conflict of interests with/ is on opposing side to Western powers then this people will use any excuse to still support this same country NO MATTER WHAT THR SAID COUNTRY DOES TO THEM. I understand some.of them since it can be explained by the fact that, if you are weak and incapable of facing someone you don't like/hate then you can only hope that this person's enemy who is stronger can keep standing up to your enemy and you will support that your enemy's opponent completely even if he sometimes slaps you once in a while. Lol.

This can be seen in this case with Russia and the comments and silence we are seeing from some. You can bet that if it was the U.S /U.K other western power who committed such action then all of them will be outraged, critized and calling these countries all sort of names lol
 
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That means you don't understand the psychology behind some of this people's logic. The thing is, as far as a country ( in this case Russia, which is still an ultra orthodox Christian European power) has conflict of interests with/ is on opposing side to Western powers then this people will use any excuse to still support this same country NO MATTER WHAT THR SAID COUNTRY DOES TO THEM. I understand some.of them since it can be explained by the fact that, if you are weak and incapable of facing someone you don't like/hate then you can only hope that this person's enemy who is stronger can keep standing up to your enemy and you will support that your enemy's opponent completely even if he sometimes slaps you once in a while. Lol.

This can be seen in this case with Russia and the comments and silence we are seeing from some. You can bet that if it was the U.S /U.K other western power who committed such action then all of them will be outraged, critized and calling these countries all sort of names lol
The thing is i dont support usa/uk's actions either. But that doesnt mean that russia is a saint. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Blah, blah, blah ... says the idiota
Thank you for this intelligent reply. This made me change my mind. You are a genius.
 
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Thank you for this intelligent reply. This made me change my mind. You are a genius.

There isn't a leg for you to stand on that proves any of your points. No proof is there to show that Russians have done that in Libya. Nor do you have proof that Russia is anti-Islamic. You can rant all day long with bs stories, yet chose to turn a blind eye on what zionist western america/britain/france/israel/saudi have done in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Lebanon, Palestine, Chad, Somalia, Afghanistan and etc. Your hypocrisy is laughable and your supporting the zionist-west in Libya (who destroyed the country), is shameless and pathetic. So put a sock in it, coz doesn't matter how much of that incoherent rambling you do, it doesn't change anyone's mind about Russia NOT being anti-Islam. You're one of those traitors that attempt to poison Muslims minds in order to deflect the hatred Muslims have for zionist america, britain, france, australia, netherlands and etc.

Keep yapping about your bs, and there you will see more and more Muslims rise up, challenge and defeat your and your kinds bull$hit stories.

Funny how nasr has to comment on every thread with his dumb damage control by saying muh zionists.

Funny how you're always deflecting attention away from your zionists. It's pathetic how you idiots really operate, trying to confuse others by spreading misinformation.

It's not the first time your kind have done so. History is littered with factual evidence of how yuppies like you, spread misinformation, deflect attention away from the real criminals and portray your enemies as everyone's enemies.

Got news for you boy .... There among Muslims, who will pick of your kind, one by one and defeat your lies and deception everywhere. In particular, here, on Pakistani forum.
 
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There isn't a leg for you to stand on that proves any of your points. No proof is there to show that Russians have done that in Libya. Nor do you have proof that Russia is anti-Islamic. You can rant all day long with bs stories, yet chose to turn a blind eye on what zionist western america/britain/france/israel/saudi have done in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Lebanon, Palestine, Chad, Somalia, Afghanistan and etc. Your hypocrisy is laughable and your supporting the zionist-west in Libya (who destroyed the country), is shameless and pathetic. So put a sock in it, coz doesn't matter how much of that incoherent rambling you do, it doesn't change anyone's mind about Russia NOT being anti-Islam. You're one of those traitors that attempt to poison Muslims minds in order to deflect the hatred Muslims have for zionist america, britain, france, australia, netherlands and etc.

Keep yapping about your bs, and there you will see more and more Muslims rise up, challenge and defeat your and your kinds bull$hit stories.



Funny how you're always deflecting attention away from your zionists. It's pathetic how you idiots really operate, trying to confuse others by spreading misinformation.

It's not the first time your kind have done so. History is littered with factual evidence of how yuppies like you, spread misinformation, deflect attention away from the real criminals and portray your enemies as everyone's enemies.

Got news for you boy .... There among Muslims, who will pick of your kind, one by one and defeat your lies and deception everywhere. In particular, here, on Pakistani forum.

Zionists are not the only enemies in this world to be honest.
 
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There isn't a leg for you to stand on that proves any of your points. No proof is there to show that Russians have done that in Libya. Nor do you have proof that Russia is anti-Islamic. You can rant all day long with bs stories, yet chose to turn a blind eye on what zionist western america/britain/france/israel/saudi have done in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Lebanon, Palestine, Chad, Somalia, Afghanistan and etc. Your hypocrisy is laughable and your supporting the zionist-west in Libya (who destroyed the country), is shameless and pathetic. So put a sock in it, coz doesn't matter how much of that incoherent rambling you do, it doesn't change anyone's mind about Russia NOT being anti-Islam. You're one of those traitors that attempt to poison Muslims minds in order to deflect the hatred Muslims have for zionist america, britain, france, australia, netherlands and etc.

Keep yapping about your bs, and there you will see more and more Muslims rise up, challenge and defeat your and your kinds bull$hit stories.
like i said: nice reply. you changed my mind. you are a genius.
 
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