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Ukraine Conflict: Moscow Stifles Dissent As Soldiers Return In Coffins

Ukraine Conflict: Moscow Stifles Dissent As Soldiers Return In Coffins

By Reuters on September 13 2014 3:39 AM
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A freshly dug grave is seen at the Vybuty cemetery in the Pskov region, August 27, 2014. In a public cemetery in an area of north-west Russia dominated by the Pskov military base are two freshly-dug graves that some locals believe hold the bodies of two Russian paratroopers killed last week fighting alongside rebels in Ukraine. Picture taken August 27, 2014. REUTERS/Dmitry Markov
Late last month Yelena Tumanova was handed the body of her son in a coffin at her home in Russia's Western Volga region. Anton Tumanov was 20 and a soldier serving in the Russian army in the North Caucasus region of Chechnya.

The documents Yelena Tumanova was given with the body raised more questions than they answered - questions about how her son died and about the Russian government’s denials that its troops are in Ukraine. The records do not show Anton Tumanov’s place of death, said human rights activists who spoke to his mother after she got in touch with them.

"Medical documents said there were shrapnel wounds, that is he died from a loss of blood, but how it happened and where were not indicated,” said Sergei Krivenko, who heads a commission on military affairs on Russia’s presidential human rights council.

Yelena Tumanova could not be reached for comment and Reuters was unable to review the documents. But more than 10 soldiers in her dead son’s unit told Krivenko and Ella Polyakova, another member of the presidential human rights council, that Anton Tumanov died in an Aug. 13 battle near the Ukrainian town of Snizhnye. The battle, the soldiers said, killed more than 100 Russian soldiers serving in the 18th motorized rifle brigade of military unit 27777, which is based outside the Chechen capital of Grozny.

Rolan, 23, a fellow soldier who served with Tumanov, told Reuters that his comrade died on the operating table after he was hit by shrapnel from rockets. Rolan said he was steps away in an armored personnel carrier when the rockets struck. He said two in his group died, including another soldier, named Robert.

"I was inside an APC, hatches were open, and as a result I was lightly stunned and shell-shocked," said Rolan.

"Robert and Anton were outside two or three steps away and they simply did not manage to hide. Robert died right there. We gave first aid to Anton, he was already on the operating table when he died," said Rolan, now at home in Russia's Krasnodar region where he is recovering from an injury.

Human rights workers and military workers say some 15 other Russian soldiers have been killed in Ukraine, with hundreds more now in hospital.

The fact that Russian soldiers have died in a war in which they officially have no involvement is a problem in Russia. Chatter about young soldiers returning home in coffins has begun to spread over the past few weeks. Though still limited, such talk has powerful echoes of earlier Russian wars such as Chechnya and Afghanistan.

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said this week that Russia had moved most of its forces back across the border into Russian territory after a ceasefire between Kiev and the separatists in Donetsk and Luhansk provinces. But a NATO military officer said on Thursday that Russia still had 1,000 troops in the country.

The idea of an outright invasion of eastern Ukraine by Russian troops is highly unpopular in Russia. A survey by pro-Kremlin pollster Fund of Social Opinions said 57 percent of Russians support the separatist Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics, but only 5 percent support an invasion of Ukrainian territory.

Russian authorities have worked to systematically silence rights workers' complaints over soldiers’ deaths, intimidating those who question the Kremlin's denials that its soldiers are in Ukraine.

Krivenko and Polyakova, who is also the head of an organization representing soldiers' mothers in St. Petersburg, filed a petition on Aug. 25 asking Russian investigators for an explanation for the deaths at Snizhnye.

So far they have heard nothing. But soon after the petition was filed to the Investigative Committee, a law enforcement body that answers only to President Vladimir Putin, Polyakova was told her organization, which has existed since the 1991 break-up of the Soviet Union, had been branded a 'foreign agent.'

The term, brought in by Putin in 2012 to set apart non-governmental organizations that receive foreign funding and engage in political activities, carries no real punitive measures but is often used to discredit critics of the Kremlin.

Polyakova says she has been at odds with the authorities over her stance toward Russia's annexation of Crimea. She believes authorities gave her the ‘foreign agent’ tag because of her petition and an Aug. 28 interview with Reuters in which she first accused Moscow of covering up the deaths of Russian soldiers.

"It's all linked. This was just the last drop, so to speak," she said.

SERVING IN UKRAINE

Officially there have been no Russian soldiers in Ukraine. But Kiev maintains that Russian troops have in the past few weeks helped separatists reverse the tide of the conflict, pushing Ukrainian forces back from the Russian border and allowing the separatists access to the sea.

And Reuters was able to find people who know of hundreds of soldiers injured in Ukraine, or whose relatives are fighting in Ukraine, building up the most comprehensive picture yet of Russian battlefield casualties in the country.

A military doctor told Reuters that hundreds of Russian soldiers injured in fighting in eastern Ukraine are now in military hospitals in the regions of Moscow, St. Petersburg and Rostov, which borders Ukraine.

"Generally they bring (the injured) to Rostov and to Moscow," he said.

Sergei Kozlov, an IT specialist in Moscow, says his nephew Nikolai, a paratrooper based in Ulianovsk, was sent to Ukraine on Aug. 24. He was hit by a shell after he crossed the border, Sergei Kozlov said, and lost his leg.

"He was operated on in Rostov Province and then was brought to Moscow because there was no more room there. But even now there is no room in Moscow hospitals or in St. Petersburg because they're all filled with people injured in Ukraine," Sergei Kozlov said by phone. Nikolai, who Sergei said is still in hospital, could not be reached.

A cab driver in Moscow who gave his name as Vitaly said his son was also sent to Ukraine. He has a picture on his dashboard of the 20-year-old boy smiling atop an armored personnel carrier.

Vitaly says he is furious that his son – a paratrooper based in Pskov near Estonia - has been sent to Ukraine to fight for the rebels.

"They sent him there illegally to fight for the rebels two weeks ago. He says he'll be back on Nov. 20. I'm counting the days," he said.

Vitaly says officers tried to force his son - serving mandatory military service - to change his status to a contract soldier, which would legally allow him to serve abroad. Conscripts in Russia are exempt from foreign service.

His son refused to sign, but officers sent him to Ukraine anyway.

"They dressed him up like a rebel so no one would know he was a Russian soldier and off he went," said Vitaly.

Rolan, the serviceman who fought alongside Tumanov in Snizhnye, says he spent 10 days fighting in Ukraine in the middle of August. Back home in the Krasnodar region, he said his commanders offered soldiers the option to go to Ukraine. The men could refuse, but the commanders were very supportive of those who agreed. Rolan went, he said, because of his military oath and to protect Russian-speakers from Ukrainian forces, routinely referred to as fascists, in Russia. His unit put him on paid leave to make the trip.

"(I wanted) to push neo-Nazis and pure fascists deep into the country or eliminate them and to free Russian-speaking population of this evil," he said.

He said he crossed into Ukraine in a truck without a license plate.

"On the Ukrainian side of the border, rebels met and guided us. In fact there is no border, just a field of sunflowers. There is Russia on one side of it and on the other side there is no more Russia."

“NO RELATION TO REALITY”

Independent Russian news outlet Dozhd has tried to keep a list of the Russian soldiers injured, detained or killed in Ukraine.

But the number of Russian soldiers serving on the side of pro-Russian rebels against Ukrainian troops is unknown.

Russia's defense ministry strongly denied reports that Russian military units were operating in Ukraine.

"We have noticed the launch of this informational 'canard' and are obliged to disappoint its overseas authors and their few apologists in Russia," a ministry official, General-Major Igor Konashenkov, told Interfax news agency.

"The information contained in this material bears no relation to reality."

A Facebook page called "Cargo 200," the Soviet term for the bodies of soldiers sent home from war, is also trying to protest at the use of Russian soldiers in Ukraine and connect soldiers and parents to better understand how their children died.

Yelena Vasilyeva, who helps organize the group, blamed Russia's Federal Security Services, the successor agency of the Soviet KGB, for hacking attacks.

"Our group is suffering attacks most likely from the Federal Security Services since Aug. 20. On the site it's been going on for five days," she said.

Krivenko, of the presidential human rights council, said Russia's failure to admit that its soldiers are in Ukraine is part of a long tradition of hiding military activities or playing them down, as in the first war in Chechnya.

"When the Chechen War began, it also started out without a declaration of war. And Russian soldiers participated in secret until troops were officially sent in Nov. 1994. Until then, they took off their uniforms and entered the conflict as volunteers," Krivenko said in his office at Moscow-based rights group Memorial.

"Everyone understood that there was war going on there but everyone tried to hide it in every possible way," he said.

COVERING TRACES

Rights activists and their lawyers say the biggest difference between the first Chechen War in the 1990s and now is that Russian authorities have become better at stopping information they don't like.

In the northwest Russian city of Pskov, reporters were chased away from a cemetery in late August where, according to accounts on social media, two Russian paratroopers killed in Ukraine are secretly buried.

On Aug. 21, Ukrainian journalist Roman Bochkala published on his Facebook page what he said were photographs of Russian documents recovered after Ukrainian forces clashed with an armored column of pro-Russian rebels near the village of Heorhiivka, eastern Ukraine.

The photographs show a passport in the name of a 21-year-old man called Nikolai Krygin issued in the Pskov region. There was also an insurance certificate, also issued in Pskov, and a copy of the military rule-book for Russian Airborne Troops. Reuters was unable to locate Krygin.

Pskov is the hometown of the 76th division of the Russian Airborne Troops. Its base is a few kilometers from the cemetery.

A Russian politician told Reuters he was badly beaten by unknown assailants after publicizing the funerals of the paratroopers in Pskov.

"There is a weaker civil society now. Now the entire system is closed. In a closed system, what happens covers the entire system, investigators, doctors," said Polyakova.

Vitaly Cherkasov, a human rights lawyer, said that authorities are using threats and administrative punishments - like ‘foreign agent’ status - to keep people from talking. But even with that pressure, information spreads.

Yulia Ganiyeva, 22, received a phone call from an anonymous officer on Sept. 4, informing her of the death of her fiance Alexei Zasov, 22, who served in the 31st paratroopers brigade in Ulianovsk, Vladimir Lenin's home town on the Volga river.

"They officially said that he was killed on Russian territory but the truth is that he was killed in Ukraine," she said.

"I got in touch with soldiers who served with him. They told me he was killed in Ukraine."

(Additional reporting by Denis Pinchuk in Pskov, Russia and Anton Zverev in Moscow; Edited by Simon Robinson)
 
RIP brave soldiers not like coward US soldiers who can only brag about their superiority in a country like Afghanistan,Syria.Also returning without achieving anything.
 
RIP brave soldiers not like coward US soldiers who can only brag about their superiority in a country like Afghanistan,Syria.Also returning without achieving anything.

'Brave' soldiers don't strip the insignias off their uniforms and lie about it. Look at the powerhouses mighty Russia has fought recently.... Georgia, Ukraine, Chechnya. :rofl: If Russia can't drive there, they can't fight there.:usflag:
 
'Brave' soldiers don't strip the insignias off their uniforms and lie about it. Look at the powerhouses mighty Russia has fought recently.... Georgia, Ukraine, Chechnya. :rofl: If Russia can't drive there, they can't fight there.:usflag:
You consider yourself brave start a war with Russia all your bravery will go to drain.You country can only play proxy wars on corrupt middle east countries.
 
You consider yourself brave start a war with Russia all your bravery will go to drain.You country can only play proxy wars on corrupt middle east countries.

Put your flags up so we can all see what scary strong country you're from, chief.:usflag:
 
Do not take such an articles seriously. Of course, there are volunteers from Russia fighting against the Junta. Of course, some of them are soldiers or ex-soldiers of the Russian army, who could not stand idly when the Junta ordered to bomb peaceful cities.
But there is no regular military units of the Russian army here . If there were a regular units, then everything would have ended without a single shot, just as in the Crimea.
 
Put your flags up so we can all see what scary strong country you're from, chief.:usflag:
Unfortunately my country politicians have sold out my country to USA long ago they are your country puppet but not me.
 
Unfortunately my country politicians have sold out my country to USA long ago they are your country puppet but not me.

Oh, they're ALL wrong but you're right ? HAHAHAHAHA !!!:usflag:
 
Balony. You're drinking Vladis' Koolaide.
Seriously. If you have read as much crap by the Junta's propaganda, as I did, you would change your mind. They declared the invasion of hundreds of tanks about 15 times, but never provided evidence. They named numbers and names of non-existent or long disbanded military units.
Not so long ago they said that"Altaic armored-tank militia" invaded Ukraine It was the top of stupidity.
 
The Russian mothers know the truth........

Morning Mix

What does Russia tell the mothers of soldiers killed in Ukraine? Not much.
By Terrence McCoy August 29

Relatives of Russian soldiers being detained in Ukraine gathered outside the Russian city of Kostroma demanding answers on the whereabouts of their family members. (Reuters)
They are the nameless ones. The faceless ones. Called the “men in green,” they are a group of hundreds, if not thousands, of Russians fighting in Ukraine with neither identifying insignia nor official documents — soldiers in everything but name. Instead, they’re called “volunteers.” They’re called “vacationers.” They’re “blood brothers,” as rebel leader Alexander Zakharchenko described the Russians crossing the border to fight alongside him.

But such anonymity, which helps Moscow pretend that no Russian soldier fights in Ukraine, comes at a high cost. Rights groups, activists and local journalists now allege that Russia, already burdened with a dark history of soldier abuse, has suppressed the truth of its own killed soldiers, obfuscated details of their demise and buried some of the dead in unmarked graves to hide their role in Ukraine. And Russia’s response if its soldiers are caught: They’re wanderers who “accidentally” crossed the border.

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This combination of handout pictures released by Ukrainian security service (SBU) press service on Aug. 26, 2014 purportedly shows Russian paratroopers captured by Ukrainian forces near the village of Dzerkalne, Donetsk region, some 20 to 30 km from the Russian border. (AFP PHOTO/ SBU PRESS-SERVICE/ STRHO/AFP/Getty Images)
Valentina Melnikova, who leads the Soldiers’ Mothers Committee, told the Daily Beast she was “personally humiliated as a citizen of the Russian Federation by our commander-in-chief’s pure, direct crime.” She said Russian President Vladimir Putin is “violating not only international laws, not only the Geneva Convention, [he] also is breaking Russian Federation law about defense. And as for the [Russian airborne commander], we should be too disgusted to even mention his name. He forces his servicemen to fight in a foreign state, Ukraine, illegally, while mothers receive coffins with their sons, anonymously.”

Another rights activist said he got a call from a Russian mother. The woman said her son’s remains were dropped off at her house last week. The accompanying documents said he had died of wounds — but there was no mention of where he died. “She called other soldiers who served with her son,” Sergei Krivenko, of Russia’s Presidential Human Rights Council, told USA Today. “These aren’t just civilians, but people who are following [military] orders. That is why we asked that these deaths be investigated.”

That battle in which the woman’s son died may have occurred on Aug. 13. It was an eastern Ukraine skirmish that Reuters reported claimed the lives of more than 100 Russian soldiers. Despite the high death count, news of the fight broke Thursday — more than two weeks later.

The Russian Human Rights Council told Reuters the bodies were found without documentation proving they had been in Ukraine and with death certificates saying they had died elsewhere. “The soldiers serving on contract are given an order, and the columns go across Russia and they stop at a camp, as though part of a training exercise, on the border with Ukraine,” a council spokesman told the news agency. “They take off all the [identification] numbers or blotch them out.”

Other soldiers, however, possibly had more than just a number obscured. Numerous reporters, from the BBC to Reuters to local Russian journalists, have investigated what appear to be freshly dug, unmarked graves possibly holding the bodies of several Russian paratroopers who were killed last week in Ukraine. Reuters reported that all online accounts of the men who were buried there have been removed from the Internet, as have photos of the soldiers that their families placed on their graves. When Russian journalists traveled there, the BBC reported that men told them they would “never be found” unless they left.

“The [Russian] government is disavowing soldiers who are” in Ukraine, soldier activist Valentina Melnikova told USA Today. She estimated that as many as 15,000 Russian soldiers have crossed into Ukraine.

The Post’s Karoun Demirjian reports that one mother fainted when she got a call from a neighbor — not the army — who had seen a picture of her son in captivity in Ukraine. On Thursday, Demirjian said, the families of paratroopers went to a cramped office hoping to meet a representative of the military to get some information. They waited about two hours before getting a meeting with officers, which lasted about five minutes and was inconclusive. Later, some of them received calls from their sons in detention in Kiev, she reported.

Russia’s unwillingness to report soldier deaths reflects a dark precedent for its military, which has often peddled misinformation and trafficked in ambiguity. Only at the very end of the Soviet Union’s war in Afghanistan did it specify that more than 13,000 had been killed, according to a 1988 New York Times report, with an official confessing that losses had been “quite heavy.” Parents, unaware of what had happened to their sons, had ventured into the region in search of them.

The war in Chechnya wasn’t much better. “I would trust maybe only a quarter of what is said about Chechnya,” one soldier told the Moscow Times in 1999. “One other soldier was killed from my unit. I called his mother, and she didn’t know.” Another soldier added: “I’m positive that the number of victims is being hidden because the military authorities don’t want panic in Russia and negative feelings about the war.”

The lot of the Russian soldier can be a sad one. Bullying and hazing, called dedovshchina, can be so severe that many soldiers are driven to suicide. “Such abuse is common throughout Russia’s armed forces,” the Chicago Tribune once said. “Its teenage victims frequently end up with serious injuries. An alarming number are killed or driven to commit suicide. Almost always, the mistreatment is ignored or covered up.”

In 2002 alone, hazing-related beatings killed more than 500 men, Russian journalist Anna Politkovskaya, who was later murdered, told the BBC. “Officers are united in hatred of soldiers’ parents because every so often, when the circumstances are just too disgraceful, outraged mothers protest at the murder of their sons and demand retribution.”

Now, as more Russian “volunteers” flood across Ukraine’s borders under uncertain circumstances, that same anger appears to be growing in some Russian mothers. “Their connection [with soldiers] is lost,” one Soldiers’ Mothers official told USA Today. “They are afraid, they fear tragedy. Wives, mothers are coming to us.”

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Olga Garina, the mother of Russian paratrooper Egor Pochtoev captured in Ukraine, speaks with her son on August 28, 2014, in Kostroma, some 350 km outside Moscow. Wives and mothers of Russian soldiers were set to demonstrate on August 28 after reports of secret military funerals ratcheted up pressure on Moscow to come clean about its role in the Ukraine conflict. The women said paratroopers from a base in Kostroma, north of Moscow, were sent on military drills and then went incommunicado, only for some of their husbands and sons to return in pine boxes. AFP PHOTO / DMITRY SEREBRYAKOVDMITRY SEREBRYAKOV/AFP/Getty Images
 
I heard Ukraine people were happy to be part of Russia but US have it puppets sitting in Ukraine government who does not want it to happen.
 
Do not take such an articles seriously. Of course, there are volunteers from Russia fighting against the Junta. Of course, some of them are soldiers or ex-soldiers of the Russian army, who could not stand idly when the Junta ordered to bomb peaceful cities.
But there is no regular military units of the Russian army here . If there were a regular units, then everything would have ended without a single shot, just as in the Crimea.

"Volunteers" um..It's a little more complicated than that....
Contract soldiers outnumber conscripts in Russian military – Defense Minister — RT Russian politics

In September, the Russian military had more contract servicemen than conscripts, Sergey Shoigu has said, adding it was proof of the growing prestige of a military career and its popularity among young Russians.
The minister noted that the officers who conducted the draft were obliged to take special measures to decrease the numbers of those who wanted to join the ranks. “Already in September, we started to hold back applicants, because there were so many of them. And this cannot but make us happy,” the Defense Minister said in an interview with the ITAR-TASS news agency.

Shoigu added that sometimes people even tried to bribe military officers in order to join the ranks and the incidents ended in criminal cases. The minister said that such things had never happened before.

Such developments could be explained by more generous wages.

The head of the National Center for Defense, General Mikhail Mizintsev, told the Interfax news agency that for the first time in history the number of contract soldiers in Russian military forces had surpassed the number of conscript soldiers.

The general said that the defense ministry hired over 70,000 people as contract servicemen in 2014, fulfilling the draft plan by 94 percent in September. Over 16,000 contract servicemen joined units that make up Russian peacekeeping forces, the airborne troops, the marines and special forces units.

Two army brigades, 12 special forces units and five battalions of airborne troops and marines were manned entirely with contract servicemen,” Mizintsev told reporters.

In June this year, Russia introduced a federal law allowing male citizens who reach the age of conscription to choose between one year of conscription and two years as a contract serviceman. The law is part of a larger military reform, with the objective of decreasing the numbers of military in the country, and at the same time boosting their professionalism, as well as improving the quality of weapons and equipment.
 

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