Russian rubbish? India reportedly disappointed with stealth fighters from Moscow
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Don't be so excited over a stupid self-soothing foxnews propaganda article. It is the USA who is trying very hard to get a foothold in the Indian arms market, and we are the one not comfortable with US weapons, especially the key weapons like front line fighter jets. Do you have any idea about how MMRCA selection was made? We checked all the planes inside out, we have asked them to remove engines and fit them back just to measure time to do that, and they agreed, and their most advanced F-16 & F-18 were on offer. They participate in the bidding because they want to sell us, and we can ask for strict selection procedures because we have options.
In fact it was the USA who tried to throw in F-35 after they were out of the MMRCA deal, we were not interested in that. And if you haven't noticed, USA was slowly started getting some deals from India after lots of sales effort, now we might decrease it after the diplomat issue. We have too many options to be a beggar, it is others who are working hard to get a share of our arms deals.
Here is a more reliable news for you dated Nov 3, 2011:
U.S. open to selling F-35 jet fighters to India| Reuters
So, are you claiming Chinese are way ahead of Russian. Sounds gibberish.
An informed Chinese won't claim that, but a cheerleader would.
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A short analysis of the publication
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“Clearly they want to go more Western because they recognize that the Russian stuff just isn't up to the western standards."- Robbin Laird, consultant to the Marine Corps and Air Force
“The Russians are certainly not up to speed in avionics,” Robbin Laird, who has served as a consultant to the Marine Corps and Air Force and started the website Second Line of Defense, told FoxNews.com. “For them to pull off a stealth airframe, and for it to actually be stealthy, the engine technology has to be very good. Americans have done it with the F-22 and F-35. But it’s not easy to do. No one has done it but ourselves.”
“The Indians for a long time have split their fighter industry between western work and Russian work,” Laird said.
Other security experts said that India has a history of incompetence when it comes to military procurement, and so it did not necessarily reflect badly on Russia.
“India has had so many problems absorbing modern equipment and supporting it that it’s difficult to know whether it says anything about the Russian systems at all,” Anthony Cordesman, who has served as a consultant for the State and Defense departments and who holds the Burke Chair in Strategy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, told FoxNews.com.
“The Rafale is a very nice aircraft, and they'll look at all the stuff the French are putting on that aircraft, and they'll look at the Russian stuff and say, why am I going down that path? Do I trust the Russians really are going to reach to the standards we set?”
“If they get a chance to really look at the F35, they would want it," Laird said. "The Indians have requested 3 times to talk to people about the F-35B, which is the true revolutionary aircraft -- and the administration never answered the mail, they've blown them off, it's typical of the Obama administration. We love our allies except if you want anything.”
“The Russians are good aircraft designers, and they know how to build an agile aircraft, and [the new plane they are working on] is a step forward the path of more agility and flexibility, but the problem is -- it's not all about the frame, it's about what your put in it. The F35 can see around itself, 360 degrees, can see a missile take off 820 miles away, it has a radar that's extraordinary, and the systems are integrated. The Russians I think are nowhere near that at this point.”
Cordesman also said that he was unsurprised by the Indian complaints, given what he knew about Russian air capabilities.
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A brief summary of this FoxNews made article:
Russian designed and made aircrafts are outdated junk. Anything superior can be made only in the US. India has an extensive experience comparing Western and Russian technologies, but due to its incompetence has numerous problems absorbing Western equipment. Rafale is a nice aircraft but F-35 is a real WunderWaffe. Cordesman is an outstanding expert in Russian air capabilities.
Now some evidences:Polish Air Force have difficulties in service of US made F-16C/D. This fact forced the Polish Defense Ministry to sign a contract with Russia to extend the life and modernization of Polish MiG-29 fighters. According to Polish sources, training fights between F-16 and MiG-29 ended in a draw, despite the fact that the F-16s belong to the latest modifications, and MiGs are of the earliest production batches.
Poland faced with unreasonably long delays in delivery of spare parts for two F-16 aircraft broken during the flight to the Polish airbase in November 2006. Shortly thereafter on one of the fighters an onboard radar failed, and on the second one a fuel system failed. Polish Government has sent a formal request to the U.S. authorities, demanding an explanation for the technical problems on the new aircrafts. The Polish side was not satisfied with vague explanations of Lockheed, boiled down to the novelty of the aircraft.
В ВЗГЛЯД / F-16 разочаровал Варшаву
Also in 2007: Polish and Dutch F-16s do not fly because of mice. Mice ate wiring in aircrafts and used it for nests.
Also recommend to read: Jane's Defence Weekly, Robert Hewson "Rocket motor mystery continues to halt AMRAAM deliveries" about AMRAAM fails.
Conclusion:US made equipment can be easily seen as hardly better junk in comparison to Russian made.
European customers can be seen as the same incompetent in using US made equipment as customers in India.
There are more than enough sources that give more reliable estimation of F-35 then this article.
Cordesman remains an outstanding expert in Russian air capabilities. Probably here without any options.
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“Clearly they want to go more Western because they recognize that the Russian stuff just isn't up to the western standards."- Robbin Laird, consultant to the Marine Corps and Air Force
“The Russians are certainly not up to speed in avionics,” Robbin Laird, who has served as a consultant to the Marine Corps and Air Force and started the website Second Line of Defense, told FoxNews.com. “For them to pull off a stealth airframe, and for it to actually be stealthy, the engine technology has to be very good. Americans have done it with the F-22 and F-35. But it’s not easy to do. No one has done it but ourselves.”
“The Indians for a long time have split their fighter industry between western work and Russian work,” Laird said.
Other security experts said that India has a history of incompetence when it comes to military procurement, and so it did not necessarily reflect badly on Russia.
“India has had so many problems absorbing modern equipment and supporting it that it’s difficult to know whether it says anything about the Russian systems at all,” Anthony Cordesman, who has served as a consultant for the State and Defense departments and who holds the Burke Chair in Strategy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, told FoxNews.com.
“The Rafale is a very nice aircraft, and they'll look at all the stuff the French are putting on that aircraft, and they'll look at the Russian stuff and say, why am I going down that path? Do I trust the Russians really are going to reach to the standards we set?”
“If they get a chance to really look at the F35, they would want it," Laird said. "The Indians have requested 3 times to talk to people about the F-35B, which is the true revolutionary aircraft -- and the administration never answered the mail, they've blown them off, it's typical of the Obama administration. We love our allies except if you want anything.”
“The Russians are good aircraft designers, and they know how to build an agile aircraft, and [the new plane they are working on] is a step forward the path of more agility and flexibility, but the problem is -- it's not all about the frame, it's about what your put in it. The F35 can see around itself, 360 degrees, can see a missile take off 820 miles away, it has a radar that's extraordinary, and the systems are integrated. The Russians I think are nowhere near that at this point.”
Cordesman also said that he was unsurprised by the Indian complaints, given what he knew about Russian air capabilities.
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A brief summary of this FoxNews made article:
Russian designed and made aircrafts are outdated junk. Anything superior can be made only in the US. India has an extensive experience comparing Western and Russian technologies, but due to its incompetence has numerous problems absorbing Western equipment. Rafale is a nice aircraft but F-35 is a real WunderWaffe. Cordesman is an outstanding expert in Russian air capabilities.
Now some evidences:Polish Air Force have difficulties in service of US made F-16C/D. This fact forced the Polish Defense Ministry to sign a contract with Russia to extend the life and modernization of Polish MiG-29 fighters. According to Polish sources, training fights between F-16 and MiG-29 ended in a draw, despite the fact that the F-16s belong to the latest modifications, and MiGs are of the earliest production batches.
Poland faced with unreasonably long delays in delivery of spare parts for two F-16 aircraft broken during the flight to the Polish airbase in November 2006. Shortly thereafter on one of the fighters an onboard radar failed, and on the second one a fuel system failed. Polish Government has sent a formal request to the U.S. authorities, demanding an explanation for the technical problems on the new aircrafts. The Polish side was not satisfied with vague explanations of Lockheed, boiled down to the novelty of the aircraft.
В ВЗГЛЯД / F-16 разочаровал Варшаву
Also in 2007: Polish and Dutch F-16s do not fly because of mice. Mice ate wiring in aircrafts and used it for nests.
Also recommend to read: Jane's Defence Weekly, Robert Hewson "Rocket motor mystery continues to halt AMRAAM deliveries" about AMRAAM fails.
Conclusion:US made equipment can be easily seen as hardly better junk in comparison to Russian made.
European customers can be seen as the same incompetent in using US made equipment as customers in India.
There are more than enough sources that give more reliable estimation of F-35 then this article.
Cordesman remains an outstanding expert in Russian air capabilities. Probably here without any options.
Russia's stuff is rubbish, and by you, China is even worse..
Well, I think you had better make your own then.
Well, I think you had better make your own then.
So, are you claiming Chinese are way ahead of Russian. Sounds gibberish.
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