Russian military contractors reportedly tried to test the US military in Syria, but they got whooped

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And Syrian soldiers were mowed down in Palmyra by US aircraft and then their positions overran by ISIS.

Shia mercenaries and Russians fled from 200 ISIS fighters leaving many tanks. US destroyed these tanks.

I didn't think you can sink lower but you always do. Before you were crying how Assad and Russia crushed your beloved rebels and now you are implying that those "rebels" made some phantom deal when in reality they attacked with everything they had and they attacked by the thousands, by using over a dozen VBIEDs and dozens of tanks and artillery.

You know little about Aleppo, again the Castello road which the "rebels" used for supplies and reinforcements was cut and then fierce fighting took place in the 1070 projects, 3000 projects and military academy, the battles around those areas involved thousands of fighters, and prior to that government forces slowly started a partial encirclement of the city.

Those phantom "deals" are worth less then toilet paper

I speak a lot with a guy from Aleppo and he was surprised how well I know it. It took monthes of heavy fights to take Castelo road located in open plain with help of Kurds and ISIS. But suddenly hocus poucs Assadists managed to capture half Aleppo in one month. Same exactly Assadists who could not take tiny Jobar in 6 years. Same exactly Assadists who could not advance a meter in Handarat even after flattenning it completely.

That is because they use highly trained special forces. Special forces usually don't suffer very many casualties because they are given top training, intelligence and equipment and they either conduct special operations such as going after high priority targets or they are tasked with achieving Special tasks such as ambushes or recon. Special forces will often stay far from the battle by using snipers or call in airstrikes or set up ambushes often times at night.

Lets suppose that tour rambos who were beaten in Afghanistan and Chechnya, who's best achievement is slaughtering own hostages are 3 times more powerful thahn Shia mercenaries. Still its nothing both in terms of total quantity and loses.

Population has little to do with anything. Many of the fighters in the Chechen war came from other parts of Russia including Degestan, Inguishtia, and Chechnya as well as other areas. Many of the terrorists were also Arab or from former Soviet republics such as Kazakhstan, they even came from places like Turkey, etc.

Population has to do everything. Its much much easier to capture 10,000 km2 of desert than 50 km2 of dense populated city.

You literally are talking nonsense.

Most battles were in the forests and rural mountainous regions. Abu Al-Wald, shamil Basaev, Al-Khatab, etc were all killed in the forests.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Battles_of_the_Second_Chechen_War

Height 776

Battle Vendeno

Nozran raid

LOL so basically Shatoy and Vedeno are two major villages which are not in open plain. One has population of 2 K and another of 5 K. One is located at 600 m and another at 700 m. LOL. If Pakistanis will hear about these super mountain battles they will lol hard.

Yea Russia can't get rid of the puppet they installed but they have one of the largest militaries, they can assasinate Chechen separatists, poison foreign leaders and help gain control of Syria but yep they can't do anything about a puppet they installed. Kadroyev must be god or have super power if Russia can't eliminate him.

100th of thousands of Russians ethnically cleansed.
Russia pays 100ths of millions to Chechen warlord who killed Russians and ethnically cleansed them.
But hey, he wears Putin shirt. Victory. LOL.

 

[ptldM3]

Shia mercenaries and Russians fled from 200 ISIS fighters leaving many tanks. US destroyed these tanks.

Still have a hard time acknowledging that the US bombed Syrian forces around Palmyra I see. No amount of tap dancing can change that fact.

I speak a lot with a guy from Aleppo and he was surprised how well I know it. It took monthes of heavy fights to take Castelo road located in open plain with help of Kurds and ISIS. But suddenly hocus poucs Assadists managed to capture half Aleppo in one month. Same exactly Assadists who could not take tiny Jobar in 6 years. Same exactly Assadists who could not advance a meter in Handarat even after flattenning it completely.

He was surprised? You literally know nothing about Allepo. The Castello road was an important supply rout to "rebels", they did not want to lose control of it because it would eventually lead to the calpse of Allepo, it was also the last open cooridor into Aleppo, after it was taken Aleppo was encircled so they fought bitterly over that road and sourounding area. Once that supply route was severed the "rebels" were in trouble, not only did they lose hundreds of fighters they now were encircled. To make matters worse once the "rebels" launched a counter attack to open a new cooridor around the 1070 and 3000 projects and ran into Spetsnaz and Hezbollah. They were repulsed and the few "rebels" left in the city were completely destroyed with overwhelming man power and firepower.

Which part of that is difficult to understand? They were encircled and destroyed, the Germans and Soviet would take just a few days or weeks to destroy encircled 'pockets' and you are surprised some "rebels" were encircled and destroyed in a month from help with the Russian Air Force and special forces.

Coocoo....

Lets suppose that tour rambos who were beaten in Afghanistan and Chechnya, who's best achievement is slaughtering own hostages are 3 times more powerful thahn Shia mercenaries. Still its nothing both in terms of total quantity and loses.

Please Israel got its *** handed to it by Hezbollah. Russia eventually took Chechen, something Israel can never say about Lebonon, and is fully now under Russian control so that is not a "defeat"; the Israeli Rambos tried for decades to take Lebonon but eventually withdrew because of high casualties, in 2006 they tried again but after a month ran away while shamelessly declaring victory

Population has to do everything. Its much much easier to capture 10,000 km2 of desert than 50 km2 of dense populated city.

What are you talking about? Chechnya is not desert. In that war most of the fighting took place around thick mountainous forests with very bad weather conditions.

LOL so basically Shatoy and Vedeno are two major villages which are not in open plain. One has population of 2 K and another of 5 K. One is located at 600 m and another at 700 m. LOL. If Pakistanis will hear about these super mountain battles they will lol hard.

So basically you are slow. Those battles I listed such as Vendeno and Height 776 were an example of the tough conditions in Chechnya, both areas were mountainous especially Height 776. Fog and heavy snowstorms often meant aircraft could not operate, steep ridges and thick forests didn't even allow for tanks and armored vehicles and artillery was often times useless because the thick forest canopy absorbed the shells.

Israel never faced anything like Chechnya nor has Pakistan. Battles in Chechnya took place in cities, villages and mountainous forests.

 

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Still have a hard time acknowledging that the US bombed Syrian forces around Palmyra I see. No amount of tap dancing can change that fact.

US bombed Syrian ISIS as I showed on videos, helping Iraqi and Afghan Shia mercenaries to take Palmyra.

He was surprised? You literally know nothing about Allepo. The Castello road was an important supply rout to "rebels", they did not want to lose control of it because it would eventually lead to the calpse of Allepo, it was also the last open cooridor into Aleppo, after it was taken Aleppo was encircled so they fought bitterly over that road and sourounding area. Once that supply route was severed the "rebels" were in trouble, not only did they lose hundreds of fighters they now were encircled. To make matters worse once the "rebels" launched a counter attack to open a new cooridor around the 1070 and 3000 projects and ran into Spetsnaz and Hezbollah. They were repulsed and the few "rebels" left in the city were completely destroyed with overwhelming man power and firepower.

Which part of that is difficult to understand? They were encircled and destroyed, the Germans and Soviet would take just a few days or weeks to destroy encircled 'pockets' and you are surprised some "rebels" were encircled and destroyed in a month from help with the Russian Air Force and special forces.

Coocoo....

U literally know nothing about Syria. Ghouta and Rastan fight for 6 years already being totally encircled.

Please Israel got its *** handed to it by Hezbollah. Russia eventually took Chechen, something Israel can never say about Lebonon, and is fully now under Russian control so that is not a "defeat"; the Israeli Rambos tried for decades to take Lebonon but eventually withdrew because of high casualties, in 2006 they tried again but after a month ran away while shamelessly declaring victory

* Israeli objective was to pacify Hezbollah and it was achieved in 1 month with minimum casualties.
* You spent 10 years lost over 12 thousand men and now u pay every year ransom to man who killed and ethniclaly cleansed ur people.

What are you talking about? Chechnya is not desert. In that war most of the fighting took place around thick mountainous forests with very bad weather conditions.

As I said wast majority of Chechnya is open plain. In order to take Chehcnya u need to take this open plain and then hunt from the air those who ran to empty mountains.

So basically you are slow. Those battles I listed such as Vendeno and Height 776 were an example of the tough conditions in Chechnya, both areas were mountainous especially Height 776. Fog and heavy snowstorms often meant aircraft could not operate, steep ridges and thick forests didn't even allow for tanks and armored vehicles and artillery was often times useless because the thick forest canopy absorbed the shells.

2 K village located at 700 m height hill u call harsh conditions. LOL.

Israel never faced anything like Chechnya nor has Pakistan. Battles in Chechnya took place in cities, villages and mountainous forests.

We face 100 times more harsh conditions. While u complain about Shali with 2 K population located at 700 m, in 2002 operation we took forexample Hebron with 200 K population located at 900-1000 m and many other similar towns and hundreds of villages.

 

[ptldM3]

U literally know nothing about Syria. Ghouta and Rastan fight for 6 years already being totally encircled.

You know nothing. I had to explain to you repeatedly how Allepo was taken. Ghouta never got the same priority as Allepo or Easter Syria. Ghouta will fall in less then a month if Syria uses the same tactic and manpower that was used in Allepo.

* Israeli objective was to pacify Hezbollah and it was achieved in 1 month with minimum casualties.

Hezbollah is stronger today then it was in 2006 and the Israeli army got shredded in a month in open feelds in clear weather,

"Pacified" my ***

* You spent 10 years lost over 12 thousand men and now u pay every year ransom to man who killed and ethniclaly cleansed ur people.

Israel spend decades in Lebonon and at the end ran away because Israeli soldiers couldn't withstand rocks being thrown at them.

As I said wast majority of Chechnya is open plain. In order to take Chehcnya u need to take this open plain and then hunt from the air those who ran to empty mountains.

Literally one of the most retarded things I ever read, if that was the case the US would have beaten Vietnam in no time and NATO would have taken Afghanistan but instead they have been their for 17 years.

Again Chechnya, Degestan and Inguishtia is mostly mountainous and how do you expect to "hunt from the air"? When thermal imagers won't work in thick forest canopies, how to you expect to use aircraft when it's always foggy and snowing?



Good luck "hunting" in this weather:

We face 100 times more harsh conditions. While u complain about Shali with 2 K population located at 700 m, in 2002 operation we took forexample Hebron with 200 K population located at 900-1000 m and many other similar towns and hundreds of villages.

Yea let's compare, Lebonon--sunny, clear and mostly warm weather and mostly flat plains.

Lebonon:

Chechnya, sub zero temperatures, snow, fog, mountains that are almost impassible, deep ravins, rivers lakes and conditions were armore and aircraft can't even operate.

Chechnya:

Sunny, warm, flat conditions in Lebonon are soooo much tougher then subzero moutainous forests.

 

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You know nothing. I had to explain to you repeatedly how Allepo was taken. Ghouta never got the same priority as Allepo or Easter Syria. Ghouta will fall in less then a month if Syria uses the same tactic and manpower that was used in Allepo.

And once again u show u know nothing. Damascus was always #1 priority for Assadists. Their most elite 4th division and repiublican guards were stationed there. When in 2013 Iran sent Shia mecenaries and Hezbollah their first destination was Ghouta. In Aleppo they did not appear until 2015. Stop embarrasing urself for gods sake.

Hezbollah is stronger today then it was in 2006 and the Israeli army got shredded in a month in open feelds in clear weather,

"Pacified" my ***

Before 2006 Hezbollah was attacking Israel on refular basis. Now its our calmest border.

Literally one of the most retarded things I ever read, if that was the case the US would have beaten Vietnam in no time and NATO would have taken Afghanistan but instead they have been their for 17 years.

Again Chechnya, Degestan and Inguishtia is mostly mountainous and how do you expect to "hunt from the air"? When thermal imagers won't work in thick forest canopies, how to you expect to use aircraft when it's always foggy and snowing?

Vietnam was 40 million country with heavy jungles all over.
Afghaistan is 30 mln country with high mountains.

Chechnya is 1 mln located in open plains + several small villages in hills. Thats about it.

Good luck "hunting" in this weather:

For modern UAVs thats not a big deal. Alas Russia does not have them.

 

[SALMAN F]

Americans won't dare to attack the Russians

It's ironic that the so called america support the rebels but when they go rogue they become terrorists

 

[ptldM3]

And once again u show u know nothing. Damascus was always #1 priority for Assadists. Their most elite 4th division and repiublican guards were stationed there. When in 2013 Iran sent Shia mecenaries and Hezbollah their first destination was Ghouta. In Aleppo they did not appear until 2015. Stop embarrasing urself for gods sake.



Before 2006 Hezbollah was attacking Israel on refular basis. Now its our calmest border.


Vietnam was 40 million country with heavy jungles all over.
Afghaistan is 30 mln country with high mountains.

Chechnya is 1 mln located in open plains + several small villages in hills. Thats about it.


For modern UAVs thats not a big deal. Alas Russia does not have them.

You're obviously a little slow, there is no point in arguing with you anymore if you think chechnya is small and has "small hills".

For the last time, aircraft, including drones cannot operate effectively in Chechnya, Degestan and Inguetia. Flir can't see in heavy fog nor can it see in heavy thick forests or cravas or caves.


This makes Vietnam look like a joke, look at those "small hills". Elite German mountain troops had a hard time in that region in ww2.

The Merkava wouldn't be able to even operate in most of Chechnya due to mud, snow and mountains.

And again much of the fighting in the Chechen war was in Degestan and inguetia. Much of the fighters in the Chechen war also came from around the world.

The population of Chechnya is completely irrelevant because much of the fighters and fighting took place outside of Chechnya; fighters in the war came from outside Chechnya from places like:

Syria
Saudi Arabia
Turkey
Tajikstan
Kazakhstan
Turkey
and all around Russia.




Hezbollah beat the crap out of Israeli in 2006 and now presently have more manpower and weapons then prior to 2006; no amount of tap dancing can change that, worste of all this happened in Lebonon of all places, warm, clear weather and mostly flat




I am well aware of the Replublican Guards presence around Ghouta. The Republican guard is nothing special besides boasting of a few dozen upgrades T-72s. Hezbollah didn't have a major presence in Syria until about 2015 and even now their numbers are not high. Allepo has seen fighting since 2012 and that is where the majority of the Syrian war effort has gone. They pulled soldiers from as far a Palmyra and Demascus to fight in Aleppo for the offensives, after Aleppo the Syrian army focused on Palmyra and south east Syria to cut the Kurds off, now they are focusing their manpower back to western Syria.

 

[LeGenD]

@ptldM3

Much of the Vietnamese geography is not suitable for large-scale high-intensity armored thrusts. Troops are forced to search for opponents in dense forests, marshes and mountains where they are prone to ambush and traps.

"Vietnam is a country of tropical lowlands, hills, and densely forested highlands, with level land covering no more than 20 percent of the area. The country is divided into the highlands and the Red River Delta in the north, and the Giai Truong Son (Central mountains, or the Chaîne Annamitique, sometimes referred to simply as the Chaîne), the coastal lowlands, and the Mekong River Delta in the south. The highest point in Vietnam is Fan Si Pan, at 3,143 meters above sea level, in the northwest."

Source: http://factsanddetails.com/southeast-asia/Vietnam/sub5_9h/entry-3488.html

Vietnamese natural defenses are second to none in the world.

 

[ptldM3]

@ptldM3

Much of the Vietnamese geography is not suitable for large-scale high-intensity armored thrusts. Troops are forced to search for opponents in dense forests, marshes and mountains where they are prone to ambush and traps.

"Vietnam is a country of tropical lowlands, hills, and densely forested highlands, with level land covering no more than 20 percent of the area. The country is divided into the highlands and the Red River Delta in the north, and the Giai Truong Son (Central mountains, or the Chaîne Annamitique, sometimes referred to simply as the Chaîne), the coastal lowlands, and the Mekong River Delta in the south. The highest point in Vietnam is Fan Si Pan, at 3,143 meters above sea level, in the northwest."

Source: http://factsanddetails.com/southeast-asia/Vietnam/sub5_9h/entry-3488.html

Vietnamese natural defenses are second to none in the world.

Chechnya, Dagestan and Inguetia are full of forests, mountains, lakes, and ravines. It snows, it rains, it gets muddy, it gets foggy, and it gets powerful windstorms. Much of the area is not accessible to vehicles and ravines are ideal for ambushes.



Vietnam doesn't have snow blizzards or subzero temperatures. It doesn't have the fog and it doesn't get the windstorms.


There is a reason why elite German mountain troops struggled in the Caucasus.


You don't know much about Chechnya or the Caucasus region.

 

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You're obviously a little slow, there is no point in arguing with you anymore if you think chechnya is small and has "small hills".

For the last time, aircraft, including drones cannot operate effectively in Chechnya, Degestan and Inguetia. Flir can't see in heavy fog nor can it see in heavy thick forests or cravas or caves.


This makes Vietnam look like a joke, look at those "small hills". Elite German mountain troops had a hard time in that region in ww2.

LOL, your pic with empty mountains only prove my point. I repeat: victual all population of Chechnya (1 million) lives in open plains. Thats fact. There are just few villages in hilly area. Shali and Vedeno located at 600-700 meters. Once u take them thats about all end of war in Chechnya.

The Merkava wouldn't be able to even operate in most of Chechnya due to mud, snow and mountains.

Thats biggest joke ever. Merkava suspension works far better in mountain region than torsions.

Hezbollah beat the crap out of Israeli in 2006 and now presently have more manpower and weapons then prior to 2006; no amount of tap dancing can change that, worste of all this happened in Lebonon of all places, warm, clear weather and mostly flat

The main Hezbollah objective for 2000-2006 attacks was "liberation" of Shabaa farms. They used attrition tactics for that with regular small attacks. In 2006 Israel banged them and attacks ceased despite Shabaa Farms are still fully in Israel's hands. That was major defeat for Hezbollah.

I am well aware of the Replublican Guards presence around Ghouta. The Republican guard is nothing special besides boasting of a few dozen upgrades T-72s. Hezbollah didn't have a major presence in Syria until about 2015 and even now their numbers are not high. Allepo has seen fighting since 2012 and that is where the majority of the Syrian war effort has gone. They pulled soldiers from as far a Palmyra and Demascus to fight in Aleppo for the offensives, after Aleppo the Syrian army focused on Palmyra and south east Syria to cut the Kurds off, now they are focusing their manpower back to western Syria.

4th Division and Republican guards are the elite of the Assad army. They were fighting in Ghota all the time. Hezbollah has massive presence since 2013. First Iraqi Shia groups also came in 2013 to Ghouta. They threw best troops in Jobar and could not advance a meter there for 6 years.

Assadists encircled Aleppo thanks to simultaneous attack from 3 sides with ISIS and Kurds. They attacked Handarat camp with small buildings for about 1 year and could not advance a meter even after flattening it. Then hocus pocus and in 1 month they took East Aleppo with minimum fighting and bombing.

 

[ptldM3]

LOL, your pic with empty mountains only prove my point. I repeat: victual all population of Chechnya (1 million) lives in open plains. Thats fact. There are just few villages in hilly area. Shali and Vedeno located at 600-700 meters. Once u take them thats about all end of war in Chechnya.

Once again the Chechen war was fought in Degestan, Inguetia as well as Chechnya. Totally population was roughly 5 million people. Atleast get basic details right.


Get that through you head. That population was equal to the population of Israel in 1994 and totally area was many times bigger then Israel itself.


And again population has nothing to do with it but since you opened a can of worms, let's apply your standards to Israel in Lebonon.


Israel couldn't even take Bing Jbeil which was a tiny town of 20,000 people, the size of just 9.10km2 and defended by 100-150 Hezbollah fighters.

Israeli sent 5,000 soldiers including armored diversions and paratroopers and lost to 100-150 Hezbollah. The town was in the Nabateith governate which only had a population of about 300,000.


Since you love boasting about size and population let's compare Grozny and Bing Jbeil and their governates/republics.

Total area:




City: Governate:


Grozny 838km2 Bing Jbeil--9.10km2


Chechnya 1,395, 678. Nabatehi--316,541


You want me to keep going or do you want more humiliation?

Thats biggest joke ever. Merkava suspension works far better in mountain region than torsions.

Yes, agreed Merkava is a joke. No one uses that junk spring suspension

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Frozen flat road. The first car I ever owned drove through that regularly.

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Is this supposed to impress anybody? It's dirt, it's not even mud.

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Flat road.

The main Hezbollah objective for 2000-2006 attacks was "liberation" of Shabaa farms. They used attrition tactics for that with regular small attacks. In 2006 Israel banged them and attacks ceased despite Shabaa Farms are still fully in Israel's hands. That was major defeat for Hezbollah.

Israel couldn't even defeat 100 Hezbollah fighters using 5000 soldiers including heavy armored brigades and paratroopers. Only idiot Israelis believe that they beat Hezbollah because they are fed propaganda; military institutes believe the opposite. Israel failed almost every objective, Israeli withdrew from Lebonon limping back in total humiliation. Israeli armor was exposed, warn out, Israeli moral was low and Hezbollah grew in strength. Today Hezbollah is stronger in manpower and has more influence in Lebonon. They still attack Israel to this day.

Assadists encircled Aleppo thanks to simultaneous attack from 3 sides with ISIS and Kurds. They attacked Handarat camp with small buildings for about 1 year and could not advance a meter even after flattening it. Then hocus pocus and in 1 month they took East Aleppo with minimum fighting and bombing.

I'm not going to repeat myself about Aleppo again, I explained it in detail many times, you can believe in your idiotic "hocus pocus" and everyone else will believe in factual events.

 

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Once again the Chechen war was fought in Degestan, Inguetia as well as Chechnya. Totally population was roughly 5 million people. Atleast get basic details right.

Poor boy, you are so desperate that started open lies. There was no war in Ingushetia, there was no war in Dagestan beside two small villages in second Chechen war.

Israel couldn't even take Bing Jbeil which was a tiny town of 20,000 people, the size of just 9.10km2 and defended by 100-150 Hezbollah fighters.

Israel had not intention to take Bint Jbeil. According to initial plan forces took building at the edges of the town and moved forward. But because of small resistance commander thought that Hezbollah left the city and sent battalion into city to check. In city center they were ambushed and lost 8 people. After that event they returned to previous plan.

There was no point to storm this city since Israel did not plan to stay there for long time. Let me also remind u that Assadists were storming 2 thousand village of Salma in Latakia for over 3 years.

Yes, agreed Merkava is a joke. No one uses that junk spring suspension

Israel had both spring and torsion tanks and springs were much better in mountain areas.

Israel couldn't even defeat 100 Hezbollah fighters using 5000 soldiers including heavy armored brigades and paratroopers. Only idiot Israelis believe that they beat Hezbollah because they are fed propaganda; military institutes believe the opposite. Israel failed almost every objective, Israeli withdrew from Lebonon limping back in total humiliation. Israeli armor was exposed, warn out, Israeli moral was low and Hezbollah grew in strength. Today Hezbollah is stronger in manpower and has more influence in Lebonon. They still attack Israel to this day.

I repeat. Hezbollah attacked Israel to get Shabaa Farms and failed.

I'm not going to repeat myself about Aleppo again, I explained it in detail many times, you can believe in your idiotic "hocus pocus" and everyone else will believe in factual events.

Because u cant explain how army which could not advance in Jobar 1 metter in 6 years even with super heavy bombings, suddenly took al of Aleppo in 1 month with very little bombings.

 

[ptldM3]

Poor boy, you are so desperate that started open lies. There was no war in Ingushetia, there was no war in Dagestan beside two small villages in second Chechen war.


Israel had not intention to take Bint Jbeil. According to initial plan forces took building at the edges of the town and moved forward. But because of small resistance commander thought that Hezbollah left the city and sent battalion into city to check. In city center they were ambushed and lost 8 people. After that event they returned to previous plan.

There was no point to storm this city since Israel did not plan to stay there for long time. Let me also remind u that Assadists were storming 2 thousand village of Salma in Latakia for over 3 years.


Israel had both spring and torsion tanks and springs were much better in mountain areas.


I repeat. Hezbollah attacked Israel to get Shabaa Farms and failed.


Because u cant explain how army which could not advance in Jobar 1 metter in 6 years even with super heavy bombings, suddenly took al of Aleppo in 1 month with very little bombings.

You're obviously a delusional schizophrenic. I made my points many times, I backed them all up with facts that can be easily cross checked. You don't know how warfare works and you constantly lie and ignore basic facts. You especially displayed your stupidity about the Chechen war, where it was fought, the geography, climate and even population. To call you a moron would not do it justice.


And you're such a liar, Israel tried to take little Bint Jbeil 3 different times and even lost a major From the Golan Brigade yes Israel failed in taking a town with 100 Hezbollah fighters, again they used 5000 soldiers including armored divisions and paratroopers.


It's laughable that you mock Russia in Chechnya while Israel shit the bed in 2006.