Russian-Iran Oil Deal Could Trigger US Sanctions – White House

[haman10]

Life is too short, take it easy!

dude , the guy needs some help ! as an israeli citizen , you are telling him to stop !!!

he is that pathetic !

 

[FaujHistorian]

iran non-oil export value :

The latest value for Export value index (2000 = 100) in Iran was 462.16 as of 2011.
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pakistan non-oil export :

The latest value for Export value index (2000 = 100) in Pakistan was 280.72 as of 2011. Over the past 31 years, the value for this indicator has fluctuated between 280.72 in 2011 and 26.55 in 1982.

Definition: Export values are the current value of exports (f.o.b.) converted to U.S. dollars and expressed as a percentage of the average for the base period (2000). UNCTAD's export value indexes are reported for most economies. For selected economies for which UNCTAD does not publish data, the export value indexes are derived from export volume indexes (line 72) and corresponding unit value indexes of exports (line 74) in the IMF's International Financial Statistics.

Source: United Nations Conference on Trade and Development, Handbook of Statistics and data files, and International Monetary Fund, International Financial Statistics.

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now iran population 76

pakistan 180

again my friend , dont spare BULL SHYT !

thank u

hahahah

more statistical BS mumbo jumbo


Just tell us net dollar value of Iranians exports. That's it.

 

[haman10]

hahahah

more statistical BS mumbo jumbo


Just tell us net dollar value of Iranians exports. That's it.

WHAT THE PHAAK DID I JUST READ ?



dude !! you dont except the UN stats ?

get back and dont embarrass yourself more

go drink some water

 

[Cohen1984]

dude , the guy needs some help ! as an israeli citizen , you are telling him to stop !!!

he is that pathetic !

You called me a pathetic??

 

[haman10]

You called me a pathetic??

why u man ? no ! i wasnt talking about u .

i was talking about him . read my post another time

 

[anonymus]

As I said brother

you carry oil trade in dollars or euors or may be british pounds .

That's it

In either case

you have to clear the transactions through US or European clearing houses

One you are under sanctions then you cannot get your money transfered

This is the worst kind of sanction any country can get

This is what Iran is getting now

and

Mullahs are bleeping like slaughtered sheep

Because it is like choking a country and not letting it breathe

Hope you understand

1. Clearing house interbank payment while being a convenient channel to transfer large amount of money is a facilitator of financial transactions but not a pre-requisite for them. Any financial entity with enough capital to cover it's liabilities could establish a clearing house. Even US has two such channels. When Iran was kicked out of swift payment system, India established a channel parallel to that of clearing house using an Indian bank ( UCO bank) as point of operation.


If Russia is denied access to such channels, they can establish their own transaction channels with the only downside of increased cost of transaction and risk premium.


2. Iran is sanctioned by both EU and USA.

3. The cause of financial ruin of Iran is not it's suspension from Swift or denying of clearing house facilities but US sanctions which rather than going through torturous rout of Security council mandate, unilaterally target individual institutions including central banks which do business with Iran.

The essence of these sanctions is not that they forbid companies and institutions to buy Iranian oil but that if they buy oil from Iran beyond a certain level, they would not be able to do business with US or it's companies/ institutions.

Since there is barely any company or institution which does not have interest in US, these sanctions have stopped Iranian oil exports.

 

[vostok]

Dollar will be replaced by Euros and not rubles

you cannot print your rubles on internet

They are only valid WITHIN Russian sphere of influence that is shrinking by the day.

Actually ruble just gaining markets. Russia in recent years has signed agreements on trade in rubles with several countries.
Euro will not be the world currency because Europe does not have sufficient military force, and without this world currency can not be.
Single world currency such as the dollar in the future will not be. Or several currencies, or gold.

 

[FaujHistorian]

....
Since there is barely any company or institution which does not have interest in US, these sanctions have stopped Iranian oil exports.

Well said.

What you say about iranian sanctions is pretty much applicable to all these oil exporting countries.

Not only that, service (business or manufacturing) exporters like China, S Korea, and India etc. are even more dependent on US/UK/EU.

So the point is Russia is not immune to such sanctions but some people on this thread are incorrectly trying to prove it is not.

Thanks

 

[anonymus]

Well said.

What you say about iranian sanctions is pretty much applicable to all these oil exporting countries.

Not only that, service (business or manufacturing) exporters like China, S Korea, and India etc. are even more dependent on US/UK/EU.

So the point is Russia is not immune to such sanctions but some people on this thread are incorrectly trying to prove it is not.

Thanks

But the difference is that Russia has greater economic depth and complexity and thus is much more resilient in face of financial sanctions.

The problem with alternative exchange channels in case of Iran is that number and volume of commodities and services exchanged in trade with Iran is low thus leading to accumulation of large surplus at one end.

The situation will play out differently in case of Russia.

1. The most important reason for this is complexity of Russian economy. While being highly dependent on oil and gas, Russians do have a deep manufacturing and scientific base and abundance in mineral resources ( other than oil ). A system based on currency exchange or quasi-barter system has much better chance of working in case of Russia than Iran.

2. Russia has a direct sphere of Influence and a lot of strategic partners/ friends. India may have perfunctory interest in Iran and thus inclined to appease US on sanctions but honouring them in case of Russia would mean that India has to replace it's armed forces ( all three ) within 3-5 years as spares of most of offensive weapons would be exhausted. Also China could not stop business with Russia due to strategic reasons. Thus any unilateral sanction is bound to fail.

3. Russia could choke Energy supplies of EU even without use of military power. If Russia and it's allies do not supply/ allow others to supply gas to EU it would be left with a measly BTC pipeline and a fleet of tankers to meet it's energy needs.

4. Russia could use it's superior military power vis-a vis EU. They need not invade Europe to do that, they could use their military power to occupy newly thawed territory in arctic on flimsy legal pretexts.

5.Even if Russia is of no use to a country ( like US ) , it would still not want Russia to be in Enemy camp ( currently China ) completely.There are real chances of Russia joining Nato or EU as a full member on a later date ( it is already an observer ) if Chinese power rise beyond level of comfort of Russia.

6. Russia has much more influence than Iran as evident by refusal of Ukraine to join EU.

 

[FaujHistorian]

But the difference is that Russia has greater economic depth and complexity and thus is much more resilient in face of financial sanctions.

The problem with alternative exchange channels in case of Iran is that number and volume of commodities and services exchanged in trade with Iran is low thus leading to accumulation of large surplus at one end.

The situation will play out differently in case of Russia.

1. The most important reason for this is complexity of Russian economy. While being highly dependent on oil and gas, Russians do have a deep manufacturing and scientific base and abundance in mineral resources ( other than oil ). A system based on currency exchange or quasi-barter system has much better chance of working in case of Russia than Iran.

2. Russia has a direct sphere of Influence and a lot of strategic partners/ friends. India may have perfunctory interest in Iran and thus inclined to appease US on sanctions but honouring them in case of Russia would mean that India has to replace it's armed forces ( all three ) within 3-5 years as spares of most of offensive weapons would be exhausted. Also China could not stop business with Russia due to strategic reasons. Thus any unilateral sanction is bound to fail.

3. Russia could choke Energy supplies of EU even without use of military power. If Russia and it's allies do not supply/ allow others to supply gas to EU it would be left with a measly BTC pipeline and a fleet of tankers to meet it's energy needs.

4. Russia could use it's superior military power vis-a vis EU. They need not invade Europe to do that, they could use their military power to occupy newly thawed territory in arctic on flimsy legal pretexts.

5.Even if Russia is of no use to a country ( like US ) , it would still not want Russia to be in Enemy camp ( currently China ) completely.There are real chances of Russia joining Nato or EU as a full member on a later date ( it is already an observer ) if Chinese power rise beyond level of comfort of Russia.

6. Russia has much more influence than Iran as evident by refusal of Ukraine to join EU.

yeap.

Russia has more resources

We were just discussing sanctions.

Obviously Russia has veto power too.

The point is not as to how long Russia can last under sanctions vs. Iran or India

It is just that life can become pretty difficult for anyone in this world when its banking channels are blocked.


Hope you see that I don't disagree.

I am just trying to emphasize the workings of modern day global trade that doesn't allow much space to the so called "rebels".


peace

 

[Arya Desa]

Doesn't Iran accept oil in rupees which can only be used in India. Doesn't that mean India gets oil for free?

 

[elis]

Who cares for what JEW USA terrorists say? I don't know why people still obey their savage embargo on Iran

Doesn't Iran accept oil in rupees which can only be used in India. Doesn't that mean India gets oil for free?

I think you have smoked too much