Russian Invasion and Defeat in Afghanistan -1979-1989!!!

[Reddington]

True. As the White Man progresses in technology and firepower. Casualties go down. The US lost 60,000 men in Vietnam. Russia lost 13,000 men in Afghanistan. The US lost 4,000 men in Iraq. Russia lost less than 100 men in Syria which is like the biggest war in modern history.

What progression???
Or you don't count the deaths of 22 veterans doing suicide everyday and Veteran Affairs spending $200 billion a year on them alone???

Soviet = 13,310 troops KIA

FYI: https://www.nytimes.com/1988/05/26/world/soviet-lists-afghan-war-toll-13310-dead-35478-wounded.html

Soviet-Afghan war lasted 9 years.

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US military = 2,401 troops KIA
NATO = 2401 + 1,141 troops KIA

NATO-Afghan war have surpassed 17 years. However, NATO declared an end to major combat operations in Afghanistan in 2014, and called off most of their troops from the region in the same year.

Suicide rate of U.S. veterans rose one third since 2001: study

Yeganeh Torbati
3 MIN READ



A man picks up a car sticker commemorating his military service in Vietnam at a veterans job fair in Los Angeles, California November 10, 2010. REUTERS/Lucy Nicholson


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The suicide rate among American veterans has increased by nearly a third since 2001, a bigger rise than in the wider population of the United States, a U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs study released on Wednesday said.

The report estimated that an average of 20 veterans a day died from suicide in 2014, or about 7,300 in the year, compared to a previous estimate of 22 a day. But researchers have cautioned against relying too heavily on that figure to indicate trends in suicides because it does not take into account that the overall number of veterans is declining because of deaths from old age.

For the first time, a study of veteran suicides drew from 55 million veterans’ records from 1979 to 2014 and from every U.S. state, the report said. Previous studies were more limited in scope and drew from three million records from 20 states or from records of those using veterans health services.


The study found that between 2001 and 2014, veteran suicides increased by 32 percent, while civilian suicides increased by 23 percent in the same time period. After controlling for factors like age and gender, this meant veterans faced a 21 percent greater risk for suicide than those who had not served in the armed forces.

The report did not provide numbers associated with the percentages it recorded and a department representative could not immediately be reached to provide more information.

While the suicide rate was highest among younger veterans, aged 18 to 29, most veteran suicides - 65 percent - in 2014 were among those 50 or older..


The study found sharp differences between the suicide rates of those veterans who used VA services compared to those who did not, though it did not draw conclusions about why. Of an estimated 21.6 million veterans in the United States, about 8.5 million receive VA health services, the report said.

Suicide rates for male veterans who used VA services increased by 11 percent since 2001, compared to a 35 percent increase among those who did not. That contrast was even sharper for female veterans. The rate of suicide among female veterans since 2001 increased 4.6 percent for those who used VA services, and increased 98 percent for those female veterans who did not.

As a whole, the risk of suicide among female veterans was 2.4 times higher than among civilian women in 2014, the study found. By contrast, male veterans faced an 18 percent higher risk for suicide than their civilian counterparts in 2014.

Reporting by Yeganeh Torbati; editing by Grant McCool

Our Standards:The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-veterans-suicides-idUSKCN10E2RN

 

[LeGenD]

Suicide rate of U.S. veterans rose one third since 2001: study

Yeganeh Torbati
3 MIN READ



A man picks up a car sticker commemorating his military service in Vietnam at a veterans job fair in Los Angeles, California November 10, 2010. REUTERS/Lucy Nicholson


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The suicide rate among American veterans has increased by nearly a third since 2001, a bigger rise than in the wider population of the United States, a U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs study released on Wednesday said.

The report estimated that an average of 20 veterans a day died from suicide in 2014, or about 7,300 in the year, compared to a previous estimate of 22 a day. But researchers have cautioned against relying too heavily on that figure to indicate trends in suicides because it does not take into account that the overall number of veterans is declining because of deaths from old age.

For the first time, a study of veteran suicides drew from 55 million veterans’ records from 1979 to 2014 and from every U.S. state, the report said. Previous studies were more limited in scope and drew from three million records from 20 states or from records of those using veterans health services.


The study found that between 2001 and 2014, veteran suicides increased by 32 percent, while civilian suicides increased by 23 percent in the same time period. After controlling for factors like age and gender, this meant veterans faced a 21 percent greater risk for suicide than those who had not served in the armed forces.

The report did not provide numbers associated with the percentages it recorded and a department representative could not immediately be reached to provide more information.

While the suicide rate was highest among younger veterans, aged 18 to 29, most veteran suicides - 65 percent - in 2014 were among those 50 or older..


The study found sharp differences between the suicide rates of those veterans who used VA services compared to those who did not, though it did not draw conclusions about why. Of an estimated 21.6 million veterans in the United States, about 8.5 million receive VA health services, the report said.

Suicide rates for male veterans who used VA services increased by 11 percent since 2001, compared to a 35 percent increase among those who did not. That contrast was even sharper for female veterans. The rate of suicide among female veterans since 2001 increased 4.6 percent for those who used VA services, and increased 98 percent for those female veterans who did not.

As a whole, the risk of suicide among female veterans was 2.4 times higher than among civilian women in 2014, the study found. By contrast, male veterans faced an 18 percent higher risk for suicide than their civilian counterparts in 2014.

Reporting by Yeganeh Torbati; editing by Grant McCool

Our Standards:The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-veterans-suicides-idUSKCN10E2RN

Irrelavant to my point.

 

[Deleted]

Pakistan 80000+ after 9/11, War on Terror,

Russian Came in Afghanistan at the request of Afghan as they have good relations with Afghanistan,
Zia wanted $$$ and he drag Russians into Cold War with the help of Americans.

Russian Communist govt was supporting Afghan Communist govt,
Wahabi Zia ul Haq created and supporting Wahabi Mullah of Taliban, with the help of USA (Puppet of Israel) for Govt and $$$.

In that war, Russian went back, because Russian people were against that war and their army have low morale due to this, even their army officers, generals , scientists were against or not interested in this war..

Result was that maximum Russians killed in Afghanistan were no more than 15000 and estimated civilian killed in Afghanistan were 850,000–2,000,000.

In So Called Jehad, Wahabi Mullah were fighting for JEWS (Puppet Americans) against Communist (Russian) for $$$

 

[Tom M]

Afghan is a great nation , Afghanistan is grave yard of super powers .

Britishers lost - 18000 Soldiers
Russians - 9000 Soldiers
US-NATO - 5000 + .. war continued

Indeed. But any idea how many native Afghans died in the process ????

Destruction of Pakistani society 1979-1989.

Reason ???

 

[Deleted]

Money paid by Saudi Arabia .

Russia wanted to get access to hot waters , it was infact Pakistans war .

Salute to Afghans for great sacrifice .

Russia wanted to get access to hot waters
Brainwashed by Mullahs and Others for $$, Russia was communist and was in Afghanistan at the request of communist govt i-e Najeebullah, there were some groups who were danger for Najeebullah govt and those groups were working for west, Zia drag Russia for cold war for long Govt and $$$

it was infact Pakistans war
Yes it was our war for $$$, Like we sent Rahil for Yemen war for Riyal

Indeed. But any idea how many native Afghans died in the process ????



Reason ???

Because we Pakistanis created wild animals for $$, those were slaughtering Shia, Sunni (sufi/barelvi), christians in SAWAT and Wazirstan after few years later

 

[SQ8]

Indeed. But any idea how many native Afghans died in the process ????



Reason ???

Widespread introduction of extremism and arms.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Democratic Republic of Afghanistan is what Pakistan should have supported. It was Americans who goaded Pakistan into war with Russia. Pakistan should have sided with Russia against America. In the 1980s after Iran revolution Iran allied with Russia against America. Pakistan has good relation with Iran. Iran, Pakistan, Russia would have taken down America.

 

[Deleted]

Democratic Republic of Afghanistan is what Pakistan should have supported. It was Americans who goaded Pakistan into war with Russia. Pakistan should have sided with Russia against America. In the 1980s after Iran revolution Iran allied with Russia against America. Pakistan has good relation with Iran. Iran, Pakistan, Russia would have taken down America.

Sorry, Pakistan cannot take side with Iran and Russia, because they can not offer $$$ and Riyal.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Pakistan 80000+ after 9/11, War on Terror,

Russian Came in Afghanistan at the request of Afghan as they have good relations with Afghanistan,
Zia wanted $$$ and he drag Russians into Cold War with the help of Americans.

Russian Communist govt was supporting Afghan Communist govt,
Wahabi Zia ul Haq created and supporting Wahabi Mullah of Taliban, with the help of USA (Puppet of Israel) for Govt and $$$.

In that war, Russian went back, because Russian people were against that war and their army have low morale due to this, even their army officers, generals , scientists were against or not interested in this war..

Result was that maximum Russians killed in Afghanistan were no more than 15000 and estimated civilian killed in Afghanistan were 850,000–2,000,000.

In So Called Jehad, Wahabi Mullah were fighting for JEWS (Puppet Americans) against Communist (Russian) for $$$

Completely contrived history, but a good look at your mindset.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Completely contrived history, but a good look at your mindset.

It was mix of factors the USSR was too pro India anyways however I agree the period between 1988-1992 and 1992-1996 we kinda f..cked up not cleaning up the mess as usual @Taimur Khurram and I had a short chat about it a while back, every country from middle powers to superpowers to destroy their rivals uses proxy groups in any conflict zone as a middle power we kinda screwed up lets hope we dont screw up in the 2020s when Yankee leaves Afghanistan

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

The US fostered Taliban in Afghanistan to unleash on Pakistan and make Pakistan weak and reliant on America. Pakistan should have sided with Russia to beat the crap out of Taliban. Iran saw the light and now sides with Russia against America. Americans are the most evil people on the planet.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

The US fostered Taliban in Afghanistan to unleash on Pakistan and make Pakistan weak and reliant on America. Pakistan should have sided with Russia to beat the crap out of Taliban. Iran saw the light and now sides with Russia against America. Americans are the most evil people on the planet.

TTP is not the same as the Taliban.

Now only because of Taliban, India is leaving Afghanistan with tears.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

TTP is not the same as the Taliban.

Now only because of Taliban, India is leaving Afghanistan with tears.

TTP power comes from Taliban in Afghanistan. That's there supply line. America fosters jihadists to attack Pakistan make Pakistan weak and reliant on America. Evil yanks.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

TTP power comes from Taliban in Afghanistan. That's there supply line. America fosters jihadists to attack Pakistan make Pakistan weak and reliant on America. Evil yanks.

First I’ve ever heard of that.

I guess everyone has their right to an analysis, no matter how fallacious.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

First I’ve ever heard of that.

I guess everyone has their right to an analysis, no matter how fallacious.

If Pakistan was smart Pakistan ally with Russia against America like Iran does.