Russian CPEC decision keeps India on tentrehooks

[GumNaam]

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Russia has gone down in value as an arms supplier as far as India is concerned. India is now venturing into far more advanced and valuable tech like joint development and Nuclear power plants.

As far as opposition is concerned. Of course we oppose it. It's detrimental to our interests (it's another matter that it's detrimental to Pakistan's interests too, something which we couldn't care less about). Not to mention it passes through the disputed territory of Kashmir thereby diluting Pakistan's legal case of Kashmir (which anyways was down the sink) a lot more than ever.

 

[My-Analogous]

So what if Russia joins CPEC, in whatever capacity? Modi and friends need to just chill. They are conflating economic interests with strategic ones. Even India will be using CPEC to ship goods to and from China.

India needs to accept the fact that Russia is becoming like the United States, in that it will have separate relations with both India and Pakistan.

You are welcome to use CPEC and yes economy and strategic relations are two different things. I would like to add one more point since India is changing its strategic trusted partner and replacing Russia with US, Russia will have no option left but to join other group. India start the change and left Russia alone not Russia. India know the history between and US and Russia and choose US and eventually Russia have to chose someone else.

 

[Kaniska]

Russians are playing roulette here and they are damn good at it. Moscow is quick to give Indians all the assurances they need but keeps the backdoor open for diplomacy where Pakistan seems to be winning; defence deals, North-South pipeline, SCO membership, recognition of Taliban as a political entity by both China and Russia and most important of all, embarrassing the Indians during BRICS meet in Goa for Pakistan's benefit.

CPEC is too big and too important to be ignored by Russia, there is hard cash to earn, billions of it. China is laying the infrastructure in Pakistan and Afghanistan, even signed a $2 billion deal with the Taliban to mine copper just outside Kabul. All Russia has to do is work on connectivity, its almost virgin territory with a lots of natural resources.

Try read between the lines....For Pakistan CPEC is a big deal, it is not for Russia. Whatever Pakistan provide through CPEC, can be easily provided by Iran through its ports. CPEC is just another excuse for Russia to come close to Pakistan but not the only reason. For Russia, anti America sentiment is much more prevalent objective in expanding its sphere of influence than any CPEC. Russia is worried about US base in Afganistan..If any one around Afganistan is most impacted by the presence of NATO in Afganistan is Russia. It prevents the expansion of Russian influence in Afganistan...
So Russia is simply trying to cajole with Pakistan to make sure Afganistan is santized with any thing of West or NATO's presence. And Russia has long term to plan to extend its influence in Afganistan thorough Pakistan and China.

India with its growing aspiration can not be a so called friend of Russia. It is not like Inidan or Russian do not like each other. But the factor is India is just moved up in its value chain to follow the exact foreign policy that is prescribed by Russia. So India wants to deal with Russia on a equal respect unlike in 1980 where relattionship was like Boss and Client state relation ship to each other...

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

Russia is ONLY about 4000km away from the Persian Gulf if a railway starting at the Sino-Russian border and through Urumuqi, Kashgar and the CPEC to Gwadar is built.

Hold your horses boy .. Who will pay FOR the medical if indian users of PDF got a heart attack ?

 

[Max]

Good and well balanced post. Makes perfect sense

If they handover or give complete autonomy to bharti occupied Kashmir and remove IA from IOK, why not.. otherwise i dont think Pakistanis will tolerate their presence on Pakistani soil while Kashmiris are being oppressed.

 

[Aasimkhan]

So what if Russia joins CPEC, in whatever capacity? Modi and friends need to just chill. They are conflating economic interests with strategic ones. Even India will be using CPEC to ship goods to and from China.

India needs to accept the fact that Russia is becoming like the United States, in that it will have separate relations with both India and Pakistan.

India went and sat in USA's lap without consulting Russia. Now what choice was left with Russians but to support Pakistan and China ? Especially when the project is in everybody's interest except India.

 

[DJ_Viper]

Try read between the lines....For Pakistan CPEC is a big deal, it is not for Russia. .

If anyone understands the value of this CPEC, its Russia! They went from the USSR to "Russia" because of their quest to get to the "warm waters". A super power was broken into pieces over accessing this area. You can't say this isn't important for the Russians. This was essentially a vision by them to get to the Warm waters for trade, etc, back in the 70's. So you can't say they don't know the value as they lost majority of their country over this area.

 

[Aasimkhan]

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Russia has gone down in value as an arms supplier as far as India is concerned. India is now venturing into far more advanced and valuable tech like joint development and Nuclear power plants.

As far as opposition is concerned. Of course we oppose it. It's detrimental to our interests (it's another matter that it's detrimental to Pakistan's interests too, something which we couldn't care less about). Not to mention it passes through the disputed territory of Kashmir thereby diluting Pakistan's legal case of Kashmir (which anyways was down the sink) a lot more than ever.

LOL@"Russia has gone down in value as an arms supplier as far as India is concerned. India is now venturing into far more advanced and valuable tech like joint development and Nuclear power plants"
you liar your SU 30 MKIs cant fly a single day without Russian support. You have dozens joint weapons programmes with Russiaon including Brahmos, S400 and Advanced Stealth fighter, who are you kidding ?

If anyone understands the value of this CPEC, its Russia! They went from the USSR to "Russia" because of their quest to get to the "warm waters". A super power was broken into pieces over accessing this area. You can't say this isn't important for the Russians. This was essentially a vision by them to get to the Warm waters for trade, etc, back in the 70's. So you can't say they don't know the value as they lost majority of their country over this area.

I am happy our Russian friends have come to know the values of trade and commerce rather than use of brut force, soon India will also come to know, albeit it will be toooooo late

 

[Asgard]

LMAO.
An article by TOI-let.

Here is reality on CPEC and Russia Pakistan:

1) In his Annual address to Russian Parliament two weeks back, President Putin specifically called India a foreign policy priority and privileged strategic partner whereas he made zero mention of Pakistan.

2)Russian Special envoy Kabulov specifically called cooperation with Pakistan low level & purely commercial compared to strategic one with India.

3)In the past four months while Russia signed several deals for sales of defence equipment to India, it publicly humiliated Pakistan by rejecting sale of Su-35.

4)In another episode of public humiliation for Pakistan, Russia publicly rejected reports of Russia joining CPEC.

5) Russia humiliated Pakistan , by sending only 70 soldiers to its exercise with Pakistan but sending over 200 to its exercise with India.

 

[Zee-shaun]

LMAO.
An article by TOI-let.

Here is reality on CPEC and Russia Pakistan:

1) In his Annual address to Russian Parliament two weeks back, President Putin specifically called India a foreign policy priority and privileged strategic partner whereas he made zero mention of Pakistan.

2)Russian Special envoy Kabulov specifically called cooperation with Pakistan low level & purely commercial compared to strategic one with India.

3)In the past four months while Russia signed several deals for sales of defence equipment to India, it publicly humiliated Pakistan by rejecting sale of Su-35.

4)In another episode of public humiliation for Pakistan, Russia publicly rejected reports of Russia joining CPEC.

5) Russia humiliated Pakistan , by sending only 70 soldiers to its exercise with Pakistan but sending over 200 to its exercise with India.

Goa episode ka bhi to bataiye, kya hua thaw?

 

[Asgard]

Goa episode ka bhi to bataiye, kya hua thaw?

BRICS is a multi national organization so it never expected a statement I'm like what the media said.

 

[punit]

Russia throws its weight behind China-Pakistan corridor, keeps India on tenterhooks
Sachin Parashar| TNN | Updated: Dec 18, 2016, 11.40 PM IST


Russia's nebulous public position on its growing ties with Pakistan continues to give sleepless nights to Indian policymakers who have sought to isolate Islamabad on the issue of terrorism.

After it officially denied reports that it had shown any interest in China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), Moscow has not just declared strong support for the China-funded project but also announced its intention to link its own Eurasian Economic Union project with CPEC.

CPEC, which will link Gwadar in Pakistan's restive Balochistan province to Xinjiang in China, remains a major bugbear for Indian foreign policy as it passes through the Gilgit-Baltistan region in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (Azad Kashmir) claimed by India. Beijing has shown scant regard for India's concerns despite PM Narendra Modi himself having taken up the issue of Chinese involvement in the disputed territory with President Xi Jinping.

Moscow last month emphatically denied Pakistan media reports that it was looking to involve itself in CPEC by acquiring access to the port built by China at Gwadar. Russia's ambassador to Pakistan Alexey Y Dedov has now been quoted as saying that Russia and Pakistan have held discussions to merge Moscow's Eurasian Economic Union project with the CPEC.

Dedov said Russia "strongly" supported CPEC as it was important for Pakistan's economy and also regional connectivity.

The mixed signals emanating from Moscow, as strategic affairs expert Brahma Chellaney said, are injecting uncertainty in the direction of the Russia-India relationship whose trajectory long epitomized constancy and stability.

"It is as if Moscow no longer sees India as a reliable friend or partner. Indeed, by seeking common cause with India's regional adversaries — including by supporting the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor through internationally disputed territory and engaging with the Pakistan-backed Taliban — Russia is challenging India's core interests," said Chellaney.

India continues to officially maintain that it doesn't see any "downward trend" in relations with Russia even as it works behind the scenes to convince Moscow that Pakistan remained the fountainhead of terrorism in the region. For India though, Russia further queered the situation in Afghanistan by declaring that it regarded Afghan Taliban as a national military-political movement. Russia is looking to engage the Taliban apparently to defeat IS but, as the MEA spokesperson warned last week, India wants any engagement with Taliban to respect the internationally recognized red lines, including giving up violence and severing ties with al-Qaida.


The comments made by Dedov are only the latest in a series of Russian doublespeak on Pakistan this year. As it officially conveyed to Moscow, India was disturbed by Russia's decision to hold its first ever joint military exercise with Pakistan days after Uri terror strike which left 19 Indian soldiers dead. The Russians justified it by saying that the exercise was meant to help Pakistan deal with terrorism.

At the Brics Goa summit in October, Russia chose not to help India publicly name Pakistan based terrorist outfits like Lashkar and Jaish in the official declaration in the face of Chinese resistance.


Russia continues to insist that its ties with Pakistan will not come at India's cost. Asked about the Russia-Pakistan military exercise though, at the recent Heart of Asia conference, Russia's presidential envoy to Pakistan Zamir Kabulov said Moscow didn't complain about India's close cooperation with the US and so India also shouldn't complain about "much low level" of cooperation between Russia and Pakistan. India may or may not complain, but it's certainly watching with eyes wide open.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...india-on-tenterhooks/articleshow/56053869.cms

Smile Indians, Pakistan's isolation continues. !!!

Russia Ne SU 35 Pakistan ko de diye!!
Russia Ne CPEC Join kar liya !!

Next ??

When Russia grows economic ties with Pakistan it guarantees two things..

1. All the money Indians spent on JV with Russians is gone to waste.
2. Pakistan will be armed with counter measures sooner or later..

not to forget SU 35 !! aane hi waale hain !

 

[Aasimkhan]

Russia Ne SU 35 Pakistan ko de diye!!
Russia Ne CPEC Join kar liya !!

Next ??


not to forget SU 35 !! aane hi waale hain !

Pakistan was never interested in SU35, we are going for 5th Generation

 

[punit]

Pakistan was never interested in SU35, we are going for 5th Generation

oh !!

 

[ashok mourya]

So much cpec...can some one explain cost benefit analysis for Pakistan..