Featured Russia would be developing upgraded engines for Pakistan's JF-17 fighters

[cocomo]

they sold out their country to the British Empire and accepted their slavery.

Were Hindus specifically responsible for ascendance of East India company? Maybe because of their hate for Muslim rulers?

 

[waqasmwi]

JF 17 block 3 delayed? Any timeline for induction

 

[graphican]

Russia Pakistan relationship will keep on growing definitely but I guess it might take a decade when Russia can offer pakistan some stealth planes if chinese allow pakistani to buy them though below it doesn’t see mich irritation for India

Pakistan is likely to join Turkey and China in their stealth programs. Russia stealth fighters are not a consideration and India can buy them without worrying about Pakistan.

 

[The Eagle]

if chinese allow pakistani

 

[PradoTLC]

Russia would be developing upgraded engines for Pakistan's JF-17 fighters


The Russian state-owned United Engine Corporation (UEC) is developing upgraded RD-93MA engines for Pakistan's JF-17 fighters.


Uec controls the development and manufacture of all engines for military, civil and space use in Russia and for Russian exports.

The RD-93MA was specially developed to power single-engine fighters. It is an update of the RD-93 engine that currently powers the Sino-Pakistani PAC JF-17/Chengdu FC-1 fighter.

In a press release on its website on Wednesday, the UEC said the RD-93MA engine had been shipped from St. Petersburg to Moscow for thermal pressure chamber testing at the Central Motor Aviation Institute (TsIAM). Pressure chamber tests on ciam are expected to subject the RD-93MA engine to simulated heat and altitude conditions that the engine would experience in real flight.

The UEC press release states: "The RD-93MA mechanism has improved performance. In particular, improved thermodynamic parameters, an improved fan and hot part design, an updated automatic engine control system ... An additional mode of emergency engine start-up has been provided ... and the possibility of emergency fuel drain was performed. All this is due to the specificities associated with the possible use of the engine in a single-engine aircraft... "

The reference to being used in single-engine aircraft has given rise to speculation that the new engine is intended for jf-17 fighter. This is because Russia has no single-engine fighter design active at the moment.

Upon successful completion of the thermal chamber test, the next phase will begin for flight design testing. Several tests on the large TsIAM thermal pressure chamber will be conducted as part of the experimental design test on rd-93MA, a UEC statement said.

During testing, the engine will simulate actual flight conditions for further testing with the BARK-93MA, the automatic engine control system designed and manufactured in uec-klimov.


JF-17 Thunder Block III jet.
These new engine systems will power JF-17 Block III jets.

According to reports, the RD-93MA engine can produce maximum thrust of 9,300 kgf (kilogram-force). The RD-93MA would have a significantly higher thrust than the existing RD-93 engine used in Pakistan's JF-17 fighter, which can produce a maximum thrust of 8,300kgf, according to uec.

Having a new mechanism offers advantages beyond increased buoyancy in combat situations. In December, Chinese state media confirmed that the latest version of the JF-17, dubbed JF-17 Block 3, had made its maiden flight. The upgraded fighter will have new electronically scanned radar and other electronic systems, all of which require higher power requirements than those that can be met by the existing engine.

Pakistan has already built more than 100 JF-17 fighters for its air force and officials have indicated that 62 JF-17 Block 3 fighters will be ordered by 2024.

In 2015, Jane's reported that Pakistan would continue to use Russian engines for the JF-17, even though China was developing an alternative engine. "We are completely satisfied with this Russian-made engine," said an official Pakistan aviation complex. Pakistani authorities claimed that "switching to another mechanism would make no sense and would be disruptive and would cause a huge expense for the JF-17 program."

Interestingly, the RD-93 has a connection to India. The RD-93 is developed from the RD-33 engine that powers the Indian Air Force's MiG-29UPG fighters and the Indian Navy's MiG-29K jets. India operates more than 60 MiG-29UPG jets and about 40 MiG-29K fighters. Recently, the government authorized the purchase of 21 MiG-29 fighters for the Indian Air Force.

Despite repeated Indian protests over the past two decades, Russia has continued to supply rd-93 to China and Pakistan.

https://www.cavok.com.br/russia-est...res-atualizados-para-cacas-jf-17-do-paquistao

So much for indian attempt to isolate Pakistan... they can even convince Russia to stop

Russia Pakistan relationship will keep on growing definitely but I guess it might take a decade when Russia can offer pakistan some stealth planes if chinese allow pakistani to buy them though below it doesn’t see mich irritation for India

You really don’t know any thing do you?

 

[HalfMoon]

Russia Pakistan relationship will keep on growing definitely but I guess it might take a decade when Russia can offer pakistan some stealth planes if chinese allow pakistani to buy them though below it doesn’t see mich irritation for India

LoL

You tried everything to stop the RD-93/JF-17 engine deal with Russia but miserably failed and now claiming that it does not matter much.

Have some shame!

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Russia would be developing upgraded engines for Pakistan's JF-17 fighters


The Russian state-owned United Engine Corporation (UEC) is developing upgraded RD-93MA engines for Pakistan's JF-17 fighters.


Uec controls the development and manufacture of all engines for military, civil and space use in Russia and for Russian exports.

The RD-93MA was specially developed to power single-engine fighters. It is an update of the RD-93 engine that currently powers the Sino-Pakistani PAC JF-17/Chengdu FC-1 fighter.

In a press release on its website on Wednesday, the UEC said the RD-93MA engine had been shipped from St. Petersburg to Moscow for thermal pressure chamber testing at the Central Motor Aviation Institute (TsIAM). Pressure chamber tests on ciam are expected to subject the RD-93MA engine to simulated heat and altitude conditions that the engine would experience in real flight.

The UEC press release states: "The RD-93MA mechanism has improved performance. In particular, improved thermodynamic parameters, an improved fan and hot part design, an updated automatic engine control system ... An additional mode of emergency engine start-up has been provided ... and the possibility of emergency fuel drain was performed. All this is due to the specificities associated with the possible use of the engine in a single-engine aircraft... "

The reference to being used in single-engine aircraft has given rise to speculation that the new engine is intended for jf-17 fighter. This is because Russia has no single-engine fighter design active at the moment.

Upon successful completion of the thermal chamber test, the next phase will begin for flight design testing. Several tests on the large TsIAM thermal pressure chamber will be conducted as part of the experimental design test on rd-93MA, a UEC statement said.

During testing, the engine will simulate actual flight conditions for further testing with the BARK-93MA, the automatic engine control system designed and manufactured in uec-klimov.


JF-17 Thunder Block III jet.
These new engine systems will power JF-17 Block III jets.

According to reports, the RD-93MA engine can produce maximum thrust of 9,300 kgf (kilogram-force). The RD-93MA would have a significantly higher thrust than the existing RD-93 engine used in Pakistan's JF-17 fighter, which can produce a maximum thrust of 8,300kgf, according to uec.

Having a new mechanism offers advantages beyond increased buoyancy in combat situations. In December, Chinese state media confirmed that the latest version of the JF-17, dubbed JF-17 Block 3, had made its maiden flight. The upgraded fighter will have new electronically scanned radar and other electronic systems, all of which require higher power requirements than those that can be met by the existing engine.

Pakistan has already built more than 100 JF-17 fighters for its air force and officials have indicated that 62 JF-17 Block 3 fighters will be ordered by 2024.

In 2015, Jane's reported that Pakistan would continue to use Russian engines for the JF-17, even though China was developing an alternative engine. "We are completely satisfied with this Russian-made engine," said an official Pakistan aviation complex. Pakistani authorities claimed that "switching to another mechanism would make no sense and would be disruptive and would cause a huge expense for the JF-17 program."

Interestingly, the RD-93 has a connection to India. The RD-93 is developed from the RD-33 engine that powers the Indian Air Force's MiG-29UPG fighters and the Indian Navy's MiG-29K jets. India operates more than 60 MiG-29UPG jets and about 40 MiG-29K fighters. Recently, the government authorized the purchase of 21 MiG-29 fighters for the Indian Air Force.

Despite repeated Indian protests over the past two decades, Russia has continued to supply rd-93 to China and Pakistan.

https://www.cavok.com.br/russia-est...res-atualizados-para-cacas-jf-17-do-paquistao

Does anyone know about the latest progress of Chinese Fighter Jet engine developments? Is Pakistan do anything in terms of becoming self-sufficient in engine development or acquisition?

 

[Tameem]

The Basic RD-33 Engine have 8300 Kgf/81.4 KN output Thrust with afterburners and 4000 Hours service Life.
The RD-93 Engine which base on exact RD-33 Engine, ANd from the Klimov poster at Zhuhai 2010 airshow gave the thrust range to be 84.4 kN Wet /8600 Kgf around and bcz of this increase thrust compares to basic RD-33, Service Life of Improve RD-93 decrease from 4000 hours (of RD-33) to 2200 Hours (Its been Stated)

Now comes to this New Engine RD-93 MA which in development since 2012.
The stated increment was One (1) Ton increase thrust i.e., 8300 Kgf to 9300 Kgf.
Therefore, If indeed RD-93 MA is coming with 9300 Kgf Thrust, then its service life would be 4000 Hours.
And if PAF want to tweaked with RD-93 MA just as earlier, Thrust can be increased to 9600 Kgf while compromising on service life back to 2200 Hours.

Let's see what PAF opt to for JF17 Block-III.

1.
Basic RD-93 MA base on Basic RD-33 Engine.
9300 Kgf/91.2 Kn Thrust
Service Life=4000 Hours.

2.
Improved RD-93 MA base on Improved RD-93 Engine
9600 Kgf/94.1 Kn Thrust
Service Life=2200 Hours.

 

[Muhammed45]

A new generation of turbofan engines is being developed in Russia for the Pakistan Air Force.

According to the Mashreghnews Defense and Security Service, Klimov is conducting final tests on the RD_93MA turbofan engine to equip the Block 3 model of the JF-17 fighter. The JF-17 is a joint project between Pakistan and China, with more than 100 of them built and delivered to the Pakistan Air Force in Block 1 and 2 models. The Block 3 model will use a new active phased array fire control radar as well as this new Russian-made engine. Previous models were also equipped with a Russian-made RD-93 engine. In the new engine, the output power will reach 91 kN. This number in the RD 93 model was about 81 kN. This increase of about 10 units will increase the fighter's ability to carry more ammunition and fly faster.

The JF-17 Block 3 fighter is currently making its first flights with the RD-93 engine, and it looks like the new engine will be ready to be installed on this fighter for a period of time around 2021 to 2022. Sources close to the project have announced that 100 of these engines have been ordered.

Mashreghnews agency.....

 

[Muhammed45]

So, according to these sources close to conductors of JF-17 block-3, 100 of these engines are on production schedule. Which means 50 JF-17 fighter jets will join PAF increasing the number of fleet to almost 150 fighter jets.

In other words JF-17 is becomeing or has become backbone of PAF.

 

[Tameem]

No need for a new thread its already in discussing in details here.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/jf-17-block-3-updates-news-discussion.594030/page-429
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/russ...s-for-pakistans-jf-17-fighters.676034/page-15

 

[Muhammed45]

No need for a new thread its already in discussing in details here.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/jf-17-block-3-updates-news-discussion.594030/page-429
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/russ...s-for-pakistans-jf-17-fighters.676034/page-15

Thanks. A mod can merge it into the existing One. I saw this in Iranian Source and translated it. Shouldve guessed i wont be First to report this in a Pakistani forum.

 

[waqasmwi]

 

[MastanKhan]

Is Pakistan do anything in terms of becoming self-sufficient in engine development or acquisition?

Hi,

Since yesterday---pakistan is not doing anything to become self-sufficient in engine building.

Please check back tomorrow---.

 

[peagle]

Hi,

Since yesterday---pakistan is not doing anything to become self-sufficient in engine building.

Please check back tomorrow---.

Perfect Pakistani style humour lol

Inshallah we'll get building very soon