Russia will not agree to any curbs on transfer of sensitive technologies to India!

[Developereo]

Even if One accepts ur version of India lobbying hard the US like pakistan did , it can only go back to early 1990s when we had no USSR in existence. The reasons for India not lobbying or being considered another 3rd rate partner to US and its west was precisely what indian leaders felt or believed !!

India was a third rate slave to the Soviets. You just picked a different horse.

of course no body is essentially independent when u have 2 aggressive superpowers !!

Exactly!
The Non-Aligned Movement was just a diplomatic circus.
No one seriously bought it.

Pakistan was US ally and India was Soviet ally for the longest time. In 1971, the India/USSR alliance became overt.

Indo-Soviet Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Indo–Soviet Treaty of Peace, Friendship and Cooperation was a treaty signed between India the Soviet Union in August 1971 that specified mutual strategic cooperation. The treaty was a significant deviation from India's previous position of Non-alignment in the Cold War

 

[Developereo]

yep i do agree to u to an extent... China can help pakistan officially once it can match US eye to eye .. Its going to take time . may be a decade or 2. If u observe, this Indo-US deal is a misnomer, its actually a World-Indo deal, but the way things work, unless u have permission from the US, nobody can come forward to engage u officially esp nuclear, space, missile technologies...

Actually its a AntiChina-India deal.

Also, the French take extreme pleasure in sticking it to the Americans. They will open their blueprints if the check is big enough.

 

[dvk1982]

India was a third rate slave to the Soviets. You just picked a different horse.



Exactly!
The Non-Aligned Movement was just a diplomatic circus.
No one seriously bought it.

Pakistan was US ally and India was Soviet ally for the longest time. In 1971, the India/USSR alliance became overt.

Indo-Soviet Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Indo–Soviet Treaty of Peace, Friendship and Cooperation was a treaty signed between India the Soviet Union in August 1971 that specified mutual strategic cooperation. The treaty was a significant deviation from India's previous position of Non-alignment in the Cold War

As I said, we never believed then the intentions of britain and its closest USA, esp after being trated as slaves or being colonized for 2 centuries... in that regard Soviets seemed more favorable and also the entire governance was more in the lines of state governance from manufacturing soaps to law and order than what West stood for !! so indians though may be viewed as 3rd rate slaves by west and others, Indians thought Soviets are more closer to us ideally.... Even one time Indians called hindi-china bhai bhai...becoz we were more close to governance and socialism

 

[LCA Tejas]

Sorry, but you had posted some strong anti-Muslim comments in another thread.
So, perhaps you can point to me where I claimed that Pakistani nuclear technology is superior to India's.

Could you point out where have I argued You on that? I just asked you... And in my previous thread, I just said, God is there in everyone... That is not anti-muslim...

 

[gogbot]

Precisely my point.



As I stated earlier, it will set a precedent for countries to sell civilian nuclear technology to Pakistan. All this talk of responsible/irresponsible goes out the window once the checkbook comes out. The challenge for Pakistan is to develop its economy (and collect proper taxes from its deadbeat tax evaders) to wield a bigger checkbook.

Or you could just lower or just limit your military spending. Show some responsibility for terrorists using your country as a base of operations.

and then maybe pak's economy will get some steam, as well as show pak's commitment as a responsible nation.

and then based on the president set you can get more reactors.

even china is showing concern in what might happen if per say, since so many organizations of a nefarious nature operate on your soil. They might be able to just rally enough supporters to get access to some of Pakistanis spent nuclear fuel. its a very distinct possibility given the political climate in Pakistan at the moment.

At the moment Pakistan has been put at the center of world terrorism. and your military's inaction has put the government at a though spot.

At least when Musharraf was president, You had a tough hand who drew the line. But now the military is not following government orders wholeheartedly who knows what might happen.

I am not saying this to suggest this nuke will be used in India. But most likely Europe or US. And they are very aware of that.

Someone needs to take charge of Pakistan and focus the government and military.

other wise this disorganization can increase to the point where some one doesn't no who their boss is anymore , Theft then insinuates from that. first a few assault rifles go missing, then some old armored cars go missing, and eventually if the situation continues to deteriorate then there goes some nuclear fuel.

Pakistan seems to be stuck in limbo right now, either you bury the hatchet with India , and look to what your nation can be in 50 years.

or envision grand plans to break up India. saying our destiny is that of the USSR. and other nonsense.

focus more on what your nation can do, rather than What India can do to you , and what China can do to India.

there was a time when many countries looked to Pakistan for Inspiration especially back in the 60 to 80's, but today your number one export in on the black market, and its terrorism. Many people wanted to have cities such as Islamabad.

Now before all Pakistani's on the forum start getting all angry.
And then quote me 100 reasons why Hindu's suck and Why India 'sucks and how evil India is. AT least India is trying to change, and progress has been made.

I ask you the question
Where do you see Pakistan in 20 years ?, Not china not India. Just Pakistan.

And then ask your self why should any one give you nuclear reactors

 

[Developereo]

Could you point out where have I argued You on that? I just asked you... And in my previous thread, I just said, God is there in everyone... That is not anti-muslim...

http://www.defence.pk/forums/member...muslim-i-am-hindu-salman-khan.html#post470948

There were no muslims before the arabs raided us, some were forced to convert, some who had guts stayed as Hindus...

 

[LCA Tejas]

http://www.defence.pk/forums/member...muslim-i-am-hindu-salman-khan.html#post470948

There were no muslims before the arabs raided us, some were forced to convert, some who had guts stayed as Hindus...

That is not an Anti muslim comment, If I had done that I would have been banned by the moderators before I could even complete it. That is just the evolution of Muslim in the sub continent...

Can you deny that?

 

[Developereo]

Or you could just lower or just limit your military spending.

We will continue to maintain a deterrence against India.

Show some responsibility for terrorists using your country as a base of operations.

Likewise to you.
All of India's neighbors are well aware of RAW meddling in their affairs. Just because you get a pass by the Western media because of current geopolitical preferences does not diminish the reality for the situation.

But now the military is not following government orders wholeheartedly who knows what might happen.

Don't quit your day job. Pakistan knows how to handle its own security. I recommend you focus on your own internal problems.

I am not saying this to suggest this nuke will be used in India. But most likely Europe or US. And they are very aware of that.

Nobody's using nukes on anybody. Our nukes already have a destination address within India if India should choose to initiate the delivery protocol.

Someone needs to take charge of Pakistan and focus the government and military.

other wise this disorganization can increase to the point where some one doesn't no who their boss is anymore , Theft then insinuates from that. first a few assault rifles go missing, then some old armored cars go missing, and eventually if the situation continues to deteriorate then there goes some nuclear fuel.

Unusually heavy dose of anti-Pakistan paranoia from "Incredible India" India media, eh?

What's the matter? Not getting enough excitement in real life, so you go chasing these video game scenarios in cyberspace?

Pakistan seems to be stuck in limbo right now, either you bury the hatchet with India

We will not abandon the Kashmiri freedom struggle just because some others have.

focus more on what your nation can do,

Ironic statement, coming from you.

Especially after that long rant.

 

[Developereo]

That is not an Anti muslim comment, If I had done that I would have been banned by the moderators before I could even complete it. That is just the evolution of Muslim in the sub continent...

Can you deny that?

I don't want to get off-topic.
You implied that people who converted to Islam did so only by force, and that non-conversion was a sign of strength.

Perhaps you are too steeped in Indian propaganda to not recognize the falsehood in your statement but, in any case, its a long debate that doesn't belong here.

 

[LCA Tejas]

I don't want to get off-topic.
You implied that people who converted to Islam did so only by force, and that non-conversion was a sign of strength.

Perhaps you are too steeped in Indian propaganda to not recognize the falsehood in your statement but, in any case, its a long debate that doesn't belong here.

Me too, Its an Offtopic subject, If that had hurt your sentiments, I deeply regret.. Forgive me, Iam sorry

 

[Developereo]

Me too, Its an Offtopic subject, If that had hurt your sentiments, I deeply regret.. Forgive me, Iam sorry

No worries. Thank you.

 

[LCA Tejas]

No worries. Thank you.

Its okie sir, My fault....

 

[pmukherjee]

Hi guys good morning. Exactly what is being discussed here?? Not Russia, nor curbs on transfer of sensitive technologies but religion, spitituality and metaphysics. Was trying to catch up and was thiroughly confused.

Anyway dont let me interrupt, please continue.

 

[LCA Tejas]

Hi guys good morning. Exactly what is being discussed here?? Not Russia, nor curbs on transfer of sensitive technologies but religion, spitituality and metaphysics. Was trying to catch up and was thiroughly confused.

Anyway dont let me interrupt, please continue.

no, He just quoted a line from a differant thread.... Thats it....

 

[gogbot]

We will continue to maintain a deterrence against India.



Likewise to you.
All of India's neighbors are well aware of RAW meddling in their affairs. Just because you get a pass by the Western media because of current geopolitical preferences does not diminish the reality for the situation.



Don't quit your day job. Pakistan knows how to handle its own security. I recommend you focus on your own internal problems.



Nobody's using nukes on anybody. Our nukes already have a destination address within India if India should choose to initiate the delivery protocol.



Unusually heavy dose of anti-Pakistan paranoia from "Incredible India" India media, eh?

What's the matter? Not getting enough excitement in real life, so you go chasing these video game scenarios in cyberspace?



We will not abandon the Kashmiri freedom struggle just because some others have.



Ironic statement, coming from you.

Especially after that long rant.

very well, Developereo obviously, India and Pakistan has issues to resolve and cant see eye to eye on this, And if i try to argue with you on this it will stretch out till end of eternity. like Kashmir Issue.

You expressed your own honest opinions on the issue but?

You didn't answer my real question.

I ask you the question
Where do you see Pakistan in 20 years ?, Not china not India. Just Pakistan.

And then ask your self why should any one give you nuclear reactors

I just wanted to share my opinion in the previous post.
But this question is as much to you as just for me trying to find out something about Pakistan's future plans that dont involve the India.

You say all Indians Dream too much when they envision India to be a super power in 40 years.


in my opinion Indians and Pakistani's are all the same. we have had hundreds of years of common history, And separation on the grounds of religious Intolerance. Only in the last 60 years. we must still share some commonalities. you can achive what China does or India does.

I just want to know what is the Pakistani dream. ?