Russia Warning : Putin could intervene if US Aand Iran go to war ...

[925boy]

Like they intervened when Americans fired 59 missiles at Syria

Why respond to an attack that achieved nothing significant?

Whoever depends on others ends up being a loser. Other countries bargain and get their personal interests achieved and off they go.

No man is an island and all countries rely on others for something(s) or another. Even US does.

 

[Humble Analyst]

Why respond to an attack that achieved nothing significant?


No man is an island and all countries rely on others for something(s) or another. Even US does.

Yes it is called alliance and I am saying should not depend.

 

[925boy]

Russia is no USSR and cannot stop US in Iran.

Why does Russia have to be USSR to be able to stop US in Iran?

In fact, providing logistics support to Iran will be expensive because Russia does not have direct access to Iran.

What about the Caspian sea?

I did not. US backing does not equate to direct intervention.

he said Arabs are too scared to fight and need US in their bases, and you said as long as US is supporting/back arabs up they can fight, so you are both at least agreeing that Arabs dont feel militarily comfortable or competent without US's active presence or/and involvement. If the arabs need US for military reassurance and comfort, then that means they do not have what it takes to even fight a good war against an opponent like Iran without help from Uncle Sam. Bottom line? both of u agree Arabs are militarily incompetent without US support. Hope you see how you agreed with him...

 

[vostok]

over the Caspian Sea or through Iran

Through Iranian borders with Turkmenistan republic or through British occupation zone in Iran and by see or they could attack German forces from south. Plenty of variants so they surely would not be trapperd even if Germans capture Stalingrad.

 

[Lincoln]

Why does Russia have to be USSR to be able to stop US in Iran?


What about the Caspian sea?


he said Arabs are too scared to fight and need US in their bases, and you said as long as US is supporting/back arabs up they can fight, so you are both at least agreeing that Arabs dont feel militarily comfortable or competent without US's active presence or/and involvement. If the arabs need US for military reassurance and comfort, then that means they do not have what it takes to even fight a good war against an opponent like Iran without help from Uncle Sam. Bottom line? both of u agree Arabs are militarily incompetent without US support. Hope you see how you agreed with him...

His argument was not that.

 

[Nein]

Through Iranian borders with Turkmenistan republic or through British occupation zone in Iran and by see or they could attack German forces from south. Plenty of variants so they surely would not be trapperd even if Germans capture Stalingrad.

A lot of people tend to think if Germany captured Stalingrad means they would have won the War which is not true. Stalingrad became the point of attack because Operation Barbarossa failed so the Germans set their sights on the oil fields of the Caucasus they needed that that vital oil supply to power the continuous war machine.

 

[Nasr]

America sudden shift away from the JCPOA, which is the Iran deal, that was spearheaded by the Europeans and included the Americans, was solely on the behest of the illegal, illegitimate, terrorist state of Israel. Had the JCPOA continued as planned, it would have allowed Iran to continue it's Nuclear Program, under IAEA supervision, without the possibility of Iran developing nuclear weapons. To Iran's advantage, it's economy would have flourished and would've allowed it seriously bolster it's conventional military capabilities, by purhasing weapons from People's Republic of China, the Russian Federation and the European Union.

American sanctions on Iran, are specifically designed to corner the country to the point where it has to hit out, in order to survive. This sort situation was created by the Americans and it's lapdogs in the Middle East (Saudi, Kuwaiti, Emirati, Qatari Regimes) when Kuwait continued production of oil in the late 1980s, which brought down the price of oil and consequently incurred Iraq huge losses, particularly when it was in dire need to recover from a near decade long war with Iran (another American ploy which was instigated by its Middle East lapdogs).

Iran needs to get off it's high horse and open up itself to true allies, the Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China. It is imperative that Iran revamps it's conventional military in the next 10-15 years. Conventional military edge is important to thwart threats such as Pro-Zionist American Middle Eastern regimes which have spents hundreds of billions in dollars on modernization of their militaries.

 

[925boy]

That's why they're using attrition (slow degradation of a country/group's strength mostly by economic means), and they're already making China look bad by China's continued buying of Iranian oil.

Attrition cant destabilize Iran because Iran is too big, resourced, motivated and able (regionally at least). "Making China look bad"?- what weak BS is this? China is a big boy who doesnt have to seek validation from hypocritical westerners. "Making china look bad"- westerners cant even sanction China effectively. Why would China care about looking responsible to countries like yours poorer than it? Go sit down.

you see, the world is behind the need to deal with Iran given how many serious problems (violent attacks) their foreign militancy policies have caused over the past few decades,

In an absolute sense, Iranian govt is controversial and "problematic", but in a RELATIVE sense, i dont think its any worse than even NATO or US or any global power. How many innocent civilians have NATO and US killed in the past years during "anti-terrorism operations" in ME and Asian countries? Lets talk metrics, lets talk lives. Dont feed me bs. I mean , US even used nuclear tipped shells in M1A1 tanks in Iraq that led to deformities. Are Iran's support for Hezbollah, Hamas etc relatively worse than all of this? Why dont you address why so many peoples in the ME support Iran? You think Iran is using hynosis to find and recruit allies? Even the Arab countries YOUR country supports have supported AQ, ISIS, Jundollah, Jaish Ul Adl, etc. even AQAP! you guys indirectly supported them cuz they were the only effective force years ago fighting the Houth.s

and how the Iranians have publicly admitted time and time again that they don't want to stop their militant activities outside their own borders.

But what about the west supporting ISIS indirectly? stop being a hypocrite. Western countries are sitting on piles of SCARY intel they're citizens suspect they've been doing but dont have the direct evidence to confirm it. Thats why US went so viciously after Assange. You're here complaining about Iran's extra national support for militancy when 1) many countries do it so why finger IRan out? 2) You westerners have already destroyed our world through your global warming, so once again, how is this worse than how Iran behaves? I hate this about US too- They do good and some really bad things, then want to play world cop. how?

and that's what's gonna make this thing possible. patience, honesty, a good pair of balls, and time to prepare for the tasks that might lie ahead.

Lmao..you've missed your timing. You've had 30+ years to do this loooong operation, but no you didnt, cuz you know it wouldnt work. Iran has already prepared and gotten stronger, while you've gotten more hypocritical and resentful because non-white countries dont bend as easily as they used to before to US and white countries. Welcome to a more FAIR world. YOu cant even go hard on Iran now.why? 1) you have other priorities like CHina 2) You dont have the willpower or money to even mount the Operation against Iran. Iran has already shot rockets into US embassy in Iraq, detonated mines in PG against arab GCC and not one of you bich azzes have done crap. I was even surprised Iran came out this hard this early. Without US support Iran can take on most of you western countries. u all are so weak, thats why you need ALLIANCES like NATO to even exist in the world militarily.

i think western militaries, and the Israeli military too for that matter, have taken my tips to heart when it comes to what i said to them about avoiding asymettrical means to get the jobs done, but use the minimal force principle and your own Sun Tzu's top-of-the-line wisdom over here : 'winning without actual physical fights is the best form of winning', to get the jobs done, as much as possible.

LMAO. what a big dream. Why would they avoid asymmetrical means when 1) they are too weak for Iran and 2) Thats not their mode of warfare even? Whether you go asymmetrical or symmetrical, Iran will be a hard nut for any western country to fight. Get your coffins ready. You wont damage Iran without taking losses. This is why US is hesitating. The only job you can do is make Iran more broke financially. thats all. Nothing else you can do, and maybe thats why US govt is getting ancy, cuz there seems to be no real good options except giving Iran concessions for regional "peace".

blitzkrieg (quick victories by means of military force) is off the menu, as is asymettrical force (meaning : an abundance of overpowering by weapon horibbleness factors).
the Israelis these days warn their enemies and the neighbors of their enemies how and why and when they're going to strike the home of a Hamas fighter after the "usual" round of provocations lead to a short term confrontation.

Take US out of the equation and Iran will begin warfare with Israel yesterday. ISrael has no strategic depth and couldnt last a year of war without US support. GO sit down. without technology you're even worse than the Taliban. I'm on PDF these days to destroy all these dumb *** myths some people tell us.

His argument was not that.

then what was his argument?

 

[PeaceGen]

@925boy they're taking their time because they have the time.

and all your nonsense about militant behavior by Iran being OK somehow because the west is forced, by Muslims, ever since the 1970s at least, to intervene in Muslim countries, that's completely idiotic.

unless of course you see warfare as some kinda soccer / football game, where scores matter more than lives..

 

[LeGenD]

Invasion Iran means another Vietnam War，it is a war overrun USA capability，it is a war USA can not win

They know it

Vietnam War is a thing of the past and cannot be replicated, American military capability have advanced to such a degree (Cooperative Engagement Capability [sensor-netting]; smart munitions; vast surveillance capabilities and resultant 'situational awareness') and American troops receive very good protection gear now. American war-fighting tactics have also completely evolved over time. People need to move on from Vietnam-related delusions.

Why does Russia have to be USSR to be able to stop US in Iran?

Limited resources.

USSR had the economy of 16 Soviet Socialist Republics, Russia does not.

B/W Russia have refused to ship S-400 systems to Iran: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...iran-s-400-missiles-request-amid-gulf-tension

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Maximum Russia can support proxies in iran during war which will further add casualties ..
U.S.A can kill 1 million while russian proxies will add further 1 million. So it can reach 2 million plus deaths in iran .
Russia is not trusted ally.

 

[ARMalik]

Interesting news. IF true, it is still going to be VERY hard for Russia to help Iran.

-Firstly, with US combat ships already in the Persian Gulf, how would Russia come to Iran's assistance? It has no direct land access to Iran. It won't be flying in since by then US Air force would have taken control of the Iranian skies.
-Secondly, Russia may try using the Caspian Sea route but it is again going to be difficult cause of the US allies around the Southern Caspian Sea. It won't be easy but possible.

Finally, if a war starts on Iran, there are ONLY TWO Countries that will make it very, very difficult for the US in Iran. these countries are Turkey and Pakistan. It is 100% certain that these two Allied countries will join hands and oppose the US. They will send in hundreds and thousands of proxies, specially Pakistan.

This is going to turn into one hell of a quick sand for a lot of countries specifically the US.

 

[925boy]

@925boy they're taking their time because they have the time.

No they dont. Time is not on the side of white countries these days..dont you see it? developing countries incomes and populations are increasing faster than in the West, so the West already has its hands full. why do you think Trump all of a sudden is telling you lazy *** europeans you need to do more to support US military? huh? DUUH! obv US knows it needs more support,help, etc from allies.

and all your nonsense about militant behavior by Iran being OK somehow because the west is forced, by Muslims, ever since the 1970s at least, to intervene in Muslim countries, that's completely idiotic.

In an absolute sense, Iran's behavior is not Ok, but when you compare it consensually(world), it wont look as bad. ONly thing that idiotic is the fact that western countries, despite having so many resources, still cant contain a country like. That only proves Iran has an effective strategy and the West is idiotic relative to it.

unless of course you see warfare as some kinda soccer / football game, where scores matter more than lives..

irrelevant point.

It is normal and expected for westerns to get more mad these days, because their days of dominating, coercing, strangulating countries effectively are more or less over. Welcome to the more democratic world where other countries have their fair say in world/regional affairs.

 

[vostok]

Interesting news. IF true, it is still going to be VERY hard for Russia to help Iran.

-Firstly, with US combat ships already in the Persian Gulf, how would Russia come to Iran's assistance? It has no direct land access to Iran. It won't be flying in since by then US Air force would have taken control of the Iranian skies.
-Secondly, Russia may try using the Caspian Sea route but it is again going to be difficult cause of the US allies around the Southern Caspian Sea. It won't be easy but possible.

Finally, if a war starts on Iran, there are ONLY TWO Countries that will make it very, very difficult for the US in Iran. these countries are Turkey and Pakistan. It is 100% certain that these two Allied countries will join hands and oppose the US. They will send in hundreds and thousands of proxies, specially Pakistan.

This is going to turn into one hell of a quick sand for a lot of countries specifically the US.

There are no US allies on the Caspian Sea. In the case of the conflict Russia will use both Caspian Sea an land route via Azerbaijan (I am 100% sure they will let).

 

[PeaceGen]

No they dont. Time is not on the side of white countries these days..dont you see it? developing countries incomes and populations are increasing faster than in the West, so the West already has its hands full. why do you think Trump all of a sudden is telling you lazy *** europeans you need to do more to support US military? huh? DUUH! obv US knows it needs more support,help, etc from allies.

how is time not on their side?

do you think Trump is not going to get re-elected?