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No country accepts separatism by default.

Russian decision to overcome separatist movement of Chechnya is acceptable. Chechnya was not one of the Soviet Socialist Republics.

Georgia had similar problem in South Ossetia and Abkhazia respectively. Its rationale to overcome separatist movement in these regions was acceptable but Russia annexed these lands in 2008. Others watched in silence.

Ukraine had problems in Donbas and Crimea respectively but Russia went out of its way to engineer and support separatism in these locations and annexed Crimea in 2014. Others watched in silence.

This was not enough either.

Russians decided to take this matter to next level by invading Ukraine proper in 2022. It was at this stage that US/NATO drew a line and decided to teach Russia a lesson.

Point is that what is acceptable in case of Russia, is fair for other countries as well.

Those who are patronizing Russia in this matter - think about your country for a change. Should it be balkanized? Maybe US/NATO should do the honors?

This is a matter of having principles.
 
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This "claims" are from the UN and the UN personal who were on spot

Fhat serbs were opressed, that genocide did not happen? Sorry, now i doubt in your sanity.
 
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No country accepts separatism by default.

Russian decision to overcome separatist movement of Chechnya is acceptable. Chechnya was not one of the Soviet Socialist Republics.

Georgia had similar problem in South Ossetia and Abkhazia respectively. Its rationale to overcome separatist movement in these regions was acceptable but Russia annexed these lands in 2008. Others watched in silence.

Ukraine had problems in Donbas and Crimea respectively but Russia went out of its way to engineer and support separatism in these locations and annexed Crimea in 2014. Others watched in silence.

This was not enough either.

Russians decided to take this matter to next level by invading Ukraine proper in 2022. It was at this stage that US/NATO drew line and decided to teach Russia a lesson.

Point is that what is acceptable for Russia, is fair for other countries by extension.

Those who are patronizing Russia in this matter - think about your country for a change. Should it be balkanized? Maybe US/NATO should do the honors?

This is a matter of having principles.

So you would give back Kosovo to Serbia? As we all know the media and the Attackers lied about what happened in Kosovo, Even German defence minister Rudolf Scharping admitted it. Also there was no allow by UN. It was an illegal war of aggression by NATO.
 
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Can you show me a russian equivalent to this? NATO lied a lot since existing.

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I read it and surprise: Ukraine is not mentioned.
Ukraine is a sovereign nation. The rest follows.

The document is registered at the United Nations.
 
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Arrival in Ukraine of the American M777 howitzer and the Australian Bushmaster armored vehicles

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Ukraine is a sovereign nation. The rest follows.

The document is registered at the United Nations.

But no word about Ukraine in the document you provided. You said in your post that that document would prove that Russia admits the NATO join of Ukraine. But Ukraine even doesnt exists as word in the document you provided.
 
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So you would give back Kosovo to Serbia? As we all know the media and the Attackers lied about what happened in Kosovo, Even German defence minister Rudolf Scharping admitted it. Also there was no allow by UN. It was an illegal war of aggression by NATO.
And the genocides committed by the Serbs during the Yugoslav wars were Crimes against Humanity.
Srebrenica the most prominent example.
Russia violated the UN Charter by vetoing the resolutions that should put a stop to the Serbian killings.

But no word about Ukraine in the document you provided. You said in your post that that document would prove that Russia admits the NATO join of Ukraine. But Ukraine even doesnt exists as word in the document you provided.
If you cannot put 2 and 2 together, you should probably not discuss politics.

  • respect for sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of all states and their inherent right to choose the means to ensure their own security, the inviolability of borders and peoples' right of self-determination as enshrined in the Helsinki Final Act and other OSCE documents;
As Ukraine is a state, they have the sovereign right to choose the means of their own security.
That includes joining NATO, and NATO countries have a sovereign right to accept the application.
 
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China is a single party state and if the leader isn't good it means they can do it even thought it causes huge problems... Putin is surrounded by yes men and you gotta wonder if Xi has done the same.

I will tell you following about how Beijing been working starting circa 2015:

  1. Xi is an insecure man. Above all Xi is insecure about his intellectual achievements
  2. He has a far from publicity team of 7 advisers. They are not bad at all indeed. They are very "Zhou types"
  3. These advisers basically put ready documents on the table, and tell Xi to sign them. Aside from cases when Xi slams the table, and says "things will go my way" all major policy trends coming from him are their inventions + few other people having his ears.
  4. Xi is super reliant on them, and very conscious of exposing that to wider world
  5. The only thing he drives personally is his (anti-) party politics. He is a veteran party politician, he is very good at fending off internal competition
Basically, the yesman is he himself. While I admin these 7 have a grain of talent, they don't do more for him than basically reading some Western policy journal, and picking some safe ways to capitalise on already existing trends.
 
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He wants nuclear war and is fine with himself being dead, hence please skip the first part and proceed to the second.

I find it funny the hate towards Americans by some here. Every civilization has done good and bad, not one is perfect.
Just remember America could simply stop providing food aid to Africa and millions would die in 12 months. They could also stop donating and providing aid after every world disaster. I think it’s clear the good outweighs the bad.

Take a minute and reflect, Russia, China, the Eu don’t provide anywhere near the free aid the US does, so next time you’re chanting death to America remember it’s death to millions around the world as well.

As if everyone else isn’t 🤷🏿‍♂️
Thanks for ignoring my post, just proving my point.
For the record, If it was on a ballot I’d vote to end our generosity all together, the world would be a much more dangerous place and not for me.


Exactly we can agree on that 👍🏿
You can keep your so called "Generosity" and put it wherever you want. ✌️

just stop : making wars, supporting dictators, destabilisation of elected regimes, financing terrorists, .....


The millions of deaths you caused, are still not enough for you??
 
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This is not a valid argument. My thread contain links which provide professional coverage of the war (Mapping Information; Facts & Figures), and links which debunk disinformation in relation to the war.

My thread is not a collection of subjective viewpoints - Russian or Western. You get plenty of both in this thread.

My 2nd link is apolitical and factual as well. The link you shared is peer-reviewed? Never seen it before.

Much better information in following links:



You need to understand that no country accepts separatism by default. Georgia was experiencing separatism in South Ossetia and Abkhazia respectively. These regions demanded political autonomy and chose the path of separatism upon refusal. Russia was supporting separatists in this matter. Georgian leadership(s) attempted to bring these regions to the fold through use of force but Russia under Putin administration annexed them in 2008. Georgia could not fight Russia of-course.

Russia is repeating similar game in Ukraine. Check following report:


Russia have its rationale for intervention in political affairs of other countries but it is logical and sensible to respect internationally recognized borders of any country.

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Russia is allowed to reshape countries around it as it sees fit?

International order should have rules, or WE are back to the Age of Empires and nothing changed.

What if other big countries start doing the same?

Would you welcome balkanization of Germany? Your country was split between NATO and USSR in times of the Cold War but Pakistan and NATO made it possible for your country to reunite. Be thankful to these forces including my country.

To be fair to Russians, their decision to defeat separatism in Chechnya is FINE. Chechnya was not an independent SSR.

Same principle extends to other countries.

While i agree that we are not in the age of empires and territorial integrity / sovereignity should be respected by all.

But most of the countries we are talking about are a result of balkanization of ussr !

And the split of these countries was not as simple . A significant portion of the population of these countries wanted to be with ussr ! Even currently we see the older generation of eastern Ukrainians prefer to be russian contrary to what most people believe.


I am fully against the war in ukraine . And putin made a grave mistake by invading ukraine. But the situation is not as straightforward as some people believe it to be.
 
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So you would give back Kosovo to Serbia? As we all know the media and the Attackers lied about what happened in Kosovo, Even German defence minister Rudolf Scharping admitted it. Also there was no allow by UN. It was an illegal war of aggression by NATO.

Yugoslavia was composed of 6 republics: Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Slovenia. In addition to the six republics, the two separate regions of Kosovo and Vojvodina held the status of autonomous provinces within the Republic of Serbia. Yugoslavia was a mix of ethnic groups and religions, with Orthodox Christianity, Catholicism and Islam being the main religions.

Yugoslavian effort to prevent its disintegration was acceptable decision on the face of it. But Yugoslavian nationalists and politicians made gross miscalculations.



Yugoslavian breakup process was very violent and resulted in 6 different countries.

There is a lesson in this case for aspiring nationalists. It is important to understand people around you and respect the strings that hold them together.
 
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There is a lesson in this case for aspiring nationalists. It is important to understand people around you and respect the strings that hold them together.

So Donbas and southern Ukraine no "lessons" are allowed? As you can see there is always a flaw in western argumentation.
 
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So Donbas and southern Ukraine no "lessons" are allowed? As you can see there is always a flaw in western argumentation.

You are ignoring the fact that Russia went to great lengths to engineer separatism in these regions. Relevant reports for consultation below:



Read them.

Russia found it easier to take Crimea but Donbas have mixed population base where many are accepting of Zelenskyy administration. How do you think Mariupol resisted for so long? This is but one location. There are pockets of resistance in other locations as well. Just look at the number of Russian troops involved in this location.

There is a limit to how much commoners can resist by the way. Many are not trained to fight a war. Russia is also forcibly deporting as many commoners as it can to its mainland to give the impression that these are refugees. Some have managed to escape from Russia and exposed this development. Russians will tell you a different story of-course.

Even a Russian source is admitting the obvious:


Ukranian refugees in Russia are not happy. They want to leave.

Let me tell you something. You cannot understand an act of oppression until you live through it.
 
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FACT SHEET: United States and G7 Partners Impose Severe Costs for Putin’s War Against Ukraine​

MAY 08, 2022STATEMENTS AND RELEASES
President Biden and G7 Leaders Meet with President Zelenskyy to Continue our Efforts to Support Ukraine and Build on our Unprecedented Sanctions and Export Controls
Today, President Biden and G7 Leaders met with President Zelenskyy of Ukraine to reinforce our shared commitment to strengthen Ukraine’s position on the battlefield and at the negotiating table.

Our unprecedented sanctions are already exacting an immense toll on Russia’s economy and our export controls have strangled Russia’s access to critical technology and the supply chains it needs to sustain its military ambitions. Putin’s war is projected to wipe out the last 15 years of economic gains in Russia. As a result of our export controls, Russia is struggling to replenish its military weapons and equipment. Russia’s two major tank plants – Uralvagonzavod Corporation and Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant – have halted work due to lack of foreign components. Almost 1,000 private sector companies have left Russia, and reports indicate that more than 200,000 Russians, many of whom are highly skilled, have fled the country. All of these costs will compound and intensify over time.

Putin has failed in his initial military objective to dominate Ukraine – but he has succeeded in making Russia a global pariah. Today, the United States, the European Union and G7 committed to ratchet up these costs by collectively taking further measures, consistent with each partner’s respective legal authorities and processes.

Targeting State-Controlled Media Within Russia That Bolster Putin’s War. The United States will sanction three of Russia’s most highly-viewed directly or indirectly state-controlled television stations in Russia – Joint Stock Company Channel One Russia, Television Station Russia-1, and Joint Stock Company NTV Broadcasting Company. All three stations have been among the largest recipients of foreign revenue, which feeds back to the Russian State’s revenue.

Banning Services that Help Finance Putin’s War and Aid Sanctions Evasion. The United States will prohibit U.S. persons from providing accounting, trust and corporate formation, and management consulting services to any person in the Russian Federation. These services are key to Russian companies and elites building wealth, thereby generating revenue for Putin’s war machine, and to trying to hide that wealth and evade sanctions. This action builds on previous prohibitions to restrict the export of goods related to aerospace, marine, electronics, technology, and defense and related materiel sectors of the Russian economy.

Cutting off Imports of Russian Oil and Reducing Dependence on Russian Energy. The United States has already banned the import of Russian oil, gas, and coal. Today, the entire G7 committed to phasing out or banning the import of Russian oil. This will hit hard at the main artery of Putin’s economy and deny him the revenue he needs to fund his war. The G7 also committed to work together to ensure stable global energy supplies, while accelerating our efforts to reduce dependence on fossil fuels.

Impose further export controls and sanctions to degrade Russia’s war efforts. The United States will issue a new rule that imposes additional restrictions on Russia’s industrial sector, including a broad range of inputs and products including wood products, industrial engines, boilers, motors, fans, and ventilation equipment, bulldozers, and many other items with industrial and commercial applications. These new controls will further limit Russia’s access to items and revenue that could support its military capabilities. The United States also sanctioned Limited Liability Company Promtekhnologiya, which produces rifles and other weapons that have been used in military operations in Ukraine; seven shipping companies, which own or operate 69 vessels; and one marine towing company. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission will also suspend general licenses for exports of source material, special nuclear material, byproduct material, and deuterium to Russia.

Impose Sanctions on Russian Elites and their Family Members and Visa Restrictions on Russian and Belarusian Officials Undermining the Sovereignty, Territorial Integrity, or Political Independence of Ukraine. The United States imposed approximately 2,600 visa restrictions on Russian and Belarusian officials in response to their ongoing efforts to undermine the sovereignty, territorial integrity, or political independence of Ukraine. Additionally, the United States issued a new visa restriction policy that applies to Russian Federation military officials and Russia-backed or Russia-installed purported authorities who are believed to have been involved in human rights abuses, violations of international humanitarian law, or public corruption in Ukraine. The United States also sanctioned eight executives from Sberbank– the largest financial institution in Russia and uniquely important to the Russian economy, holding about a third of all bank assets in Russia; twenty-seven executives from Gazprombank – a prominent Russian bank facilitating business by Russia’s Gazprom, one of the largest natural gas exporters in the world; and Moscow Industrial Bank and its ten subsidiaries.

 
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