Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments

[Pappa Alpha]

I think NATO has no stomach for a fight against Russia. They/Them with two moms vs Ivan the bear.

 

[jamal18]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1496886759665586177

Notice how the lying media spin the narrative that this is all due to a 'madman' Putin.

This is all about NATO's expansion eastwards.

1. After the unification of Germany, the Russians were promised that NATO would not expand 'one inch' eastwards. The Russians were lied to.

2.The last US ambassador to the Soviet Union testified to congress that the Eastward expansion of NATO would be 'the greatest foreign policy blunder of the post-cold war era'. They should have listened.

3. Ukraine joining NATO means that missiles launched towards Russia will give the Russians virtually no warning.

As the former Indian foreign minister said, the West has had years to solve Russian security concerns and didn't. It is not Russian aggression, but the West's aggression that is the problem.

The BBC will not tell you that.

 

[nang2]

Didn't you guys notice that Internet in Ukraine has been running fairly well?

 

[RescueRanger]

I think NATO has no stomach for a fight against Russia.

The western nations have already stated in unequivocal terms, that military options are off the table!

 

[ghazi52]

Lesson for India

.....................only target banking,,,, no Military's support

The UK will work with allies to target Russian finances, Boris Johnson tells the House of Commons.

Russia's shares are falling fast, with the rouble plummeting to record lows against the dollar, he says.

The PM then promises to counter "the Kremlins blizzard of lies and disinformation".

Nato's defences must be strengthened and the leaders of member nations will meet on Friday, he adds.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

And there was another about training in night time and volunteers stood behind reporter with flags. one of them was exactly like this one...
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Hi @Deino, you've been putting some angry emojis on my posts here. What do you think about this?

 

[Oldman1]

The Russians have already archived their objective! Hence my initial rebuke!

LOL! They haven't if they are still fighting and still don't see a Ukrainian President surrender yet. Sending airborne troops to the airport is not the same as taking over Kiev. They asking for terms of surrender after just 1 day of operations? What does that tell you? And with Russian casualties piling up and have to sustain the fighting, this is far from over.

 

[ghazi52]

These are the sanctions Prime Minister Boris Johnson has just announced the UK will put on Russia:

1. All major Russian banks will have their assets frozen and will be excluded from the UK financial system. This will stop them from accessing sterling and clearing payments through the UK. This includes a full and immediate freeze of VTB bank
2. Legislation will stop major Russian companies and the state from raising finance or borrowing money on UK markets
3. Asset freezes will be put on 100 new individuals or entities
4. The Aeroflot airline will be banned from landing in the UK
5. There will be a suspension of dual use export licences to cover things which can be used for military purposes
6. Within days the UK will stop exports of hi-tech items and oil refinery equipment
7. There will be a limit on deposits Russians can make to UK bank accounts
8. The UK has an intention to "work with allies" to shut off Swift payments but "its a challenge", Johnson said
9. Similar financial sanctions will be extended to Belarus for its role in the assault on Ukraine
10. The UK will bring forward parts of the economic crime bill before the Easter recess

 

[khail007]

By my logic? Bro, are you trolling right now? What are you talking about?

Sir, don't shield behind 'trolling'. Your logic was 'SANCTIONS' for punishment (which here clearly means to punishment Russians for attacking Ukraine - isn't it? OR Is there any room left of diplomacy?). What I asked you is just in reference to that punishment.
If you are feeling, that I wrongly answered than do not answer my post - it is that simple.

 

[ghazi52]

On the ground: Moscow wakes up to war​

From CNN's Nic Robertson in Moscow

In the hours after Russia began invading Ukraine, the scenes in Moscow were subdued. People who spoke to CNN about the conflict seemed surprised and concerned, as many of them had just started tuning in.

Russia's massive propaganda machine has not given the crisis between Kyiv and the Kremlin the same sort of billing as has the international media. State television, the main source of information for older Russians, has been echoing the message of Vladimir Putin.

The Russian President has framed the conflict as a mission to protect Russian speakers in the Donbas region from genocide — an accusation the Russian president has repeatedly leveled without proof. Russian state media is also parroting the Kremlin's other unsubstantiated claims — that the Ukrainian government of attempting to obtain nuclear weapons and "nazify" the country, despite the fact that Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky is Jewish.

News reports have also, for the most part, failed to mention the Russian military's decision to strike targets in places far from east Ukraine, like the capital of Kyiv and the southern port city of Odessa.
That doesn't mean all Russians are being spoon-fed Putin's narrative. Russia is not North Korea. People who want to get independent information from foreign-language media outlets can do so.
So far, there has not been the surge of patriotic fervor that accompanied Russia's largely bloodless annexation of Crimea from Ukraine in 2014. There are likely many Russians who would prefer to see Putin tackle Russia's economic problems at home.

But gauging public opinion in Russia — especially opposition to the Kremlin — has become increasingly difficult in recent years. Putin has increasingly cracked down on independent media, hollowed out its civil society and all but banished peaceful dissent.

Putin has increasingly cracked down on independent media, hollowed out its civil society and all but banished peaceful dissent. Even tweeting about planned protests can potentially land someone in jail.

If would-be protesters weren't already spooked, Russian authorities on Thursday warned citizens that participating in anti-war protests could lead to prosecution and criminal charges.

On the ground: Moscow wakes up to war​

From CNN's Nic Robertson in Moscow

In the hours after Russia began invading Ukraine, the scenes in Moscow were subdued. People who spoke to CNN about the conflict seemed surprised and concerned, as many of them had just started tuning in.

Russia's massive propaganda machine has not given the crisis between Kyiv and the Kremlin the same sort of billing as has the international media. State television, the main source of information for older Russians, has been echoing the message of Vladimir Putin.

The Russian President has framed the conflict as a mission to protect Russian speakers in the Donbas region from genocide — an accusation the Russian president has repeatedly leveled without proof. Russian state media is also parroting the Kremlin's other unsubstantiated claims — that the Ukrainian government of attempting to obtain nuclear weapons and "nazify" the country, despite the fact that Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky is Jewish.

News reports have also, for the most part, failed to mention the Russian military's decision to strike targets in places far from east Ukraine, like the capital of Kyiv and the southern port city of Odessa.
That doesn't mean all Russians are being spoon-fed Putin's narrative. Russia is not North Korea. People who want to get independent information from foreign-language media outlets can do so.
So far, there has not been the surge of patriotic fervor that accompanied Russia's largely bloodless annexation of Crimea from Ukraine in 2014. There are likely many Russians who would prefer to see Putin tackle Russia's economic problems at home.

But gauging public opinion in Russia — especially opposition to the Kremlin — has become increasingly difficult in recent years. Putin has increasingly cracked down on independent media, hollowed out its civil society and all but banished peaceful dissent.

Putin has increasingly cracked down on independent media, hollowed out its civil society and all but banished peaceful dissent. Even tweeting about planned protests can potentially land someone in jail.

If would-be protesters weren't already spooked, Russian authorities on Thursday warned citizens that participating in anti-war protests could lead to prosecution and criminal charges.

 

[scherz]

No matter who or which side you support
War is hell.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1496885370671308800

War is hell, the commanders should fight it by themself. Poor regulary people who had no choice.

 

[The SC]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1496896454476148745

 

[sur]

Denazify............. this is exactly why I was looking for some Ukrainian volunteers' training footage with swastika flags. How come someone support a country that hosts Nazi mindset? At-least, Russia was not going to tolerate such thing in the neighbour and interestingly, West/US or Israel had no issue with those groups in Ukraine.

@RescueRanger

They may not take issue with it because hidden deep inside them may be many Nazis, those too in top positions.

For example, US space program's Wernher Magnus Maximilian Freiherr von Braun "He applied for membership of the Nazi Party on 12 November 1937, and was issued membership number 5,738,692."

And movie "Inside Man" (link) alludes to that ~half of Fortune 500 has Nazi links. And movie shows how one of the largest banker in US colluded with Nazis against his own clan.

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I think NATO knows well that because Russians just asked for a buffer hence they will stop after creating a buffer.
These areas Russia is invading now are probably already highly infested by pro-Russians.
So fighting among a lot of pro-Russians may not be productive for Ukrainians.
Hence they are not putting up a lots of resistance, yet. As if they already knew these areas were untenable.
Only if Russians go further than these pro-Russian areas, that's when Ukrainians will go all out resisting and will dump all NATO provided weapons.
I think NATO planes in air over Poland are keeping an eye on the same that Russians don't cross more that the buffer they are expected to create.

Most likely Russia will stop after cutting out a buffer zone. That's all Russians asked from NATO too - to leave Ukraine's Status quo as a buffer and NOT try to get it incorporated into NATO:

As per this speech, the gist of Ukraine issue is that Russia will never let a strategically important piece of real estate (Ukraine) become a NATO base/ally.
Russia asks West to let the status quo continue, keep the conflict frozen by staying away from Ukraine. Or else to prevent that, Russia will wreck Ukraine. Just so that West cannot have it in their pocket.


They want this:



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Not this, which puts NATO & Russia eye ball to eye ball against each other:



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And this is what that buffer zone may look like after Russians stop.
The C-shaped area where arrows point:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1496870784844779520

Below, Biden said the same that Russia wants to create two new so-called republics unilaterally:

Edit: Just noticed on map that there's a river "Dineper river" crossing Ukraine top to bottom.
Russia may carve out another country up to that Dineper river!!

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

I have watched some video clips of Moscow police arrest anti war protests. And in the film you can see Russian public standing there quietly no outburst against the protesters just sad faces agreeing in silence this wrong disaster for Russia

That's nothing unusual. War is an ugly thing and people have a natural and healthy revulsion to it. However, people are also short-sighted and concerned exclusively with their day-to-day lives. They have no conception of the long term strategic threats they face that require decisive action.

A fascist coup in a neighbouring country with a very highly developed historical nuclear weapons program is a threat that cannot be ignored forever. Putin tried every avenue to make peace and the last straw was Zelensky declaring that Ukraine would seek a nuclear weapon.

This isn't Iran which has to start a weapons program from scratch, this is a country with a very sophisticated nuclear and missile industry and the experience of producing and stockpiling a very large portion of the Soviet Union's nuclear arsenal.

Russia is simply responding to an existential threat.

 

[Genghis khan1]