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F-22Raptor said:
The M270s and HIMARS rockets are going to be hell for Russia. Extremely accurate and nearly impossible to shoot down. We're talking entire grid square eliminators. Those are going to clear a lot of Russian artillery and supply lines.
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Something that failed so miserably against a bunch of rag tag Taliban will not work against Russia.
 
Hack-Hook said:
wonder Russia have any other song beside the Katyusha Song to insight nationalistic feeling of their youngsters in last 3 months at least I heard 30 version of it, i can now recite it from memory
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🤔

In Russian?

and Chinese?

And English as well?

:D

:omghaha:
 
F-22Raptor said:
Ukrainian counter battery fire has been documented at under 60 seconds. Once Russian artillery is located, M270 and HIMARS rocket flight time is 60-90seconds. And with 5m CEPs, its game over for Russian artillery.

Training on HIMARS began 1 week ago in Europe. Its 3 weeks of training, and then it will take time to get to the front. Initial batches of 4 HIMARs and 3 M270s, but with an additional $8-10B in drawdown authority there's almost certainly plenty more coming.
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It’s an extremely difficult situation for Ukraine. Almost impossible to defend. Estimates say Russia has a 10:1 advantage.
The western weapons delivery is too slow or takes time to deliver. If this counter artillery radar “cobras” promised by Germany could come fast. Otherwise too late.

Das Cobra-System (Counter Battery Radar) ist das weltweit wohl fortschrittlichste Waffenortungssystem

Das Cobra-System (Counter Battery Radar) ist das weltweit wohl fortschrittlichste Waffenortungssystem
 
SalarHaqq said:
No. Indeed Viktor Yanukovych did obtain a majority of votes at Ukraine's 2010 runoff presidential election.

The two candidates' scores were as follows:

* Viktor Yanukovych : 48,95%
* Yulia Timoshenko : 45,47%



Because those 48,95% (not 48,6%) relate to overall expressed votes, that is including invalid and blank ballots as well as votes for a special third option offered by the Ukrainian electoral system, termed "Against all" (i.e. an expression of opposition to both candidates).

Indeed, here's what the latter two voting choices garnered:

* Against all : 4,36%
* Invalid (and blank) : 1,19%

Unlike the USA's system for instance, where at the second rounds of presidential elections ballots do not include an "Against all" option, and where the announced final result does not account for invalid and blank votes, in Ukraine it does.

Elsewhere the percentage of valid votes obtained by each candidate is usually considered, whereas in Ukraine they go with the percentage of expressed votes, and moreover the Ukrainian election features that extra voting option ("Against all") absent from equivalent elections in other countries.

If we leave out "Against all" votes as well as invalid / blank ones, in other terms if we only count votes given to either Yanukovych or Timoshenko, Yanukovich won the election with an absolute majority of over 51,84% (48,95 x 100 / (48,95+45,47)).



That's correct.

And guess who is agreeing with me on the democratically elected part? None other than international observers dispatched by the OSCE (Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe) as well as the PACE (Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe) to monitor the election.

The OSCE said there were no indications of serious fraud and described the vote as an "impressive display" of democracy. Source:

www.theguardian.com

Yanukovych set to become president as observers say Ukraine election was fair

• Yulia Tymoshenko under pressure to concede defeat• Monitors praise 'impressive display' of democracy
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Link to the PACE statement: https://pace.coe.int/en/news/2753
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Only thing is, it is not how it work.


To win the election, a candidate needs to receive more than 50% of the vote. If none of the candidates obtains the required number of votes, a second round shall be held within two weeks. The names of the two candidates who showed the best results in the first round shall be entered on the ballot paper. The winner is the one who receives the largest number of votes. One candidate for the highest state post can also take part in the second round (if the second candidate refuses to run less than 12 days before the election). In this case, more than half of the votes must be obtained to win.
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you are excluding those invalid and non-preferred vote even if you said they counted in the election. They counted in Overall tally, but do not count toward any of the candidate. If you taken out those invalid and non-prefer vote and don't count them in the total tally, then yes, Yanukovich would have won by 51% but then again this is NOT how it work.
 
Tai Hai Chen said:
Something that failed so miserably against a bunch of rag tag Taliban will not work against Russia.
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The taliban were soundly defeated during the initial invasion. During the next 20 years the coalition also did not suffer defeat on battlefield.

How many decades should we handhold afghanistan allies? Eventually the afghans will have to decide their own fate.

ANA unfortunately turned out to be a corrupt bunch with no stomach to fight. So our choice of allies in ANA was indeed poor. But lets not pretend that insurgency is the same as the ukranian situation of conventional warfare (with russia performing poorly)
 
ZeGerman said:
The taliban were soundly defeated during the initial invasion. During the next 20 years the coalition also did not suffer defeat on battlefield.

How many decades should we handhold afghanistan allies? Eventually the afghans will have to decide their own fate.

ANA unfortunately turned out to be a corrupt bunch with no stomach to fight. So our choice of allies in ANA was indeed poor. But lets not pretend that insurgency is the same as the ukranian situation of conventional warfare (with russia performing poorly)
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Dedication and an unwavering commitment to defend their ideology from outside interference. The 3 Stooges - UK, Russia, and the US - could not understand this simple concept. Like the British and the Russians, the Americans overestimated their abilities and underestimated the Taliban's resistance. Hubris, a deadly disease that humbles the 3 Stooges
 
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