Russia to Sell 127 FGFA fighter aircrafts to India

[ptldM3]

its 'laugh' not 'laught' look at own sh!t first..
dont invent new words!


as if you were before? think!?

That is not his only spelling mistake, he tries to lecture other people on proper grammar but fails miserably himself.

 

[WAQAS119]

Awwwwwwww.. 127 FGFA for India.. That's cute

 

[The_Sidewinder]

Awwwwwwww.. 127 FGFA for India.. That's cute

Ow just look who is commenting?? So adorable. :

That is not his only spelling mistake, he tries to lecture other people on proper grammar but fails miserably himself.

I have just realised its Grammar not Grammer. Thanks mate.

 

[SecularNationalist]

as if you were before? think!?

This is what we call a overconfidence of a malnourished indian. Let,s not forget how your so called aiforce was beaten black and blue in the 1965 war.

 

[Niks]

This is what we call a overconfidence of a malnourished indian. Let,s not forget how your so called aiforce was beaten black and blue in the 1965 war.

Bedtime stories labelled as reality
Malnourished soldiers surrendering in 1971 was a sight to behold

 

[anant_s]

Mark my words SU-35S too has a bigger role in this. FGFA is confirmed true but Su-35S is going to be the trump card for IAF and Russians. Russians not ordering more FGFA can only mean one thing, they have a better weapon in place. They don't care about the money, this is Russia we are talking about. Ample natural resources. These closed doors meeting were surely not for FGFA. Su-35S will not only be IAF's future air superiority fighter but also would help revamp our existing MKI's to super sukhoi configuration. Reason why Su-35s will be a frontline fighter could be costs . FGFA is too costly and Modifications to existing Su-35 airframe with improved avionics and AESA would prove less costly. Maybe we can ever expect naval versions of Su-35S (rather than FGFA) with an improvised air frame that would support catapult launched systems.

The way i see Su 35S, is perhaps Russia doesnot see any threat (other than NATO employing F 35) in European theater. So the cost factor could be an incentive as it can be employed in larger numbers vis a vis PAK FA.
However in case of India with Rafale induction confirmed and MKI still being manufactured, don't know if there is a space for Su 35. I donot know correctly what Super Sukhoi configuration would look like and compare with Su 35, but given future program commitments, it is difficult to see Su 35 in IAF colors.
One possibility could've been that 2 squadrons of Su 35S was purchased in place of 42 MKIs ordered last year (given Russia agrees to have commonality with MKI upgrades), but didn't go that way either.
Secondly, someone will have to take a call on Chinese Generation 5 fighter program and assess threat perception. PAK FA program is in very early stages and as we know it will throw forward several variants and improvements, so to commit to 100+ numbers of first version of such a fighter, may not be a wise thing to do.

 

[Penguin]

Is it me or does anyone else notice the swastika?

That is not a swastika but a marker to indicate where the propellors are.

I already know what is a podded prop is. I was asking about its advantage over a shaft drive.

Do you know its advantage over a shaft drive ?

I would think Pods give better position keeping, since they can move and turn independently. You also don't need a long drive shaft or a rudder installation, which amounts to space savings and also greater design flexibility.

Primary advantages are electrical efficiency, better use of ship space, and lower maintenance costs. Ships with azimuth thrusters do not need tugboats to dock, though they still require tugs to maneuver in difficult places (Azimuth thruster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )

Disadvantage, because propulsion and rudder are combined, and the motor is in the pod, if the moter malfunctions, you loose propulsion as well as steering.

 

[uparyupari]

I would think Pods give better position keeping, since they can move and turn independently. You also don't need a long drive shaft or a rudder installation, which amounts to space savings and also greater design flexibility.

True you gain some space but then again you need to have turbines and Generators to produce the necessary electric power to run the motors.

That would take up additional space which might offset any saving in space.

Second, Efficiency would also be a concern since Fuel is now being converted to mechanical energy and that is being converted to electrical energy and that is driving the propellers. Unlike a shaft drive where the mechanical energy directly drives the propellers.

I can see the usefulness of an electrical drive when the power source is Nuclear, but for hydrocarbon based fuel, shaft drive seems better.

 

[Penguin]

True you gain some space but then again you need to have turbines and Generators to produce the necessary electric power to run the motors.

That would take up additional space which might offset any saving in space.

Second, Efficiency would also be a concern since Fuel is now being converted to mechanical energy and that is being converted to electrical energy and that is driving the propellers. Unlike a shaft drive where the mechanical energy directly drives the propellers.

I can see the usefulness of an electrical drive when the power source is Nuclear, but for hydrocarbon based fuel, shaft drive seems better.

You need engines and gears for drving a shaft, as well as generators for electric power, in a conventional set up. The advantage of electric is that it doesn't really matter where the generators are located. And a set of diesels and gears and shafts don't have that flexibility and take up at least as much space an any turbine generators.

Aside, I'm not here to defend or deny the virtues of either type of propulsion. You asked, I answered (and the answers you could have found by yourself)

 

[uparyupari]

You need engines and gears for drving a shaft, as well as generators for electric power, in a conventional set up. The advantage of electric is that it doesn't really matter where the generators are located. And a set of diesels and gears and shafts don't have that flexibility and take up at least as much space an any turbine generators.

Aside, I'm not here to defend or deny the virues of either type of propulsion. You asked, I answered (and the answers you could have found by yourself)

Indian Navy seems to favour the Shaft drive as was evident by the Mistral proposal. I was wondering the reason for it since that is unlikely to be mentioned anywhere else.

It is playing safe by going with known and tested technology or is it for more practical purpose like efficiency, maintenance, ruggedness, cost or Speed.

Another reason I asked was because the UK who are pioneers in Naval warfare has opted to for with Electric drive for the Type 45 destroyer.

 

[MiG-21]

Things are looking dark for the Indian Air Force. A supposedly fifth generation plane with exposed compressor blades! Dumbest fifth generation plane ever.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Bedtime stories labelled as reality
Malnourished soldiers surrendering in 1971 was a sight to behold

Here we have another fan boy trolling on 1971 again in frustration from his mom,s basement .
We still remember your graceful victories in pathankot and in the 1962 sino war

 

[Niks]

Here we have another fan boy trolling on 1971 again in frustration from his mom,s basement .
We still remember your graceful victories in pathankot and in the 1962 sino war

hehehe cheerleading yet again for your master
i can understand coz your army has given nothing to cheer about
surrender and only surrender

 

[SecularNationalist]

hehehe cheerleading yet again for your master
i can understand coz your army has given nothing to cheer about
surrender and only surrender

Master the art of trolling to it,s fullest kid if that makes your little world

 

[Cat Shannon]

This is what we call a overconfidence of a malnourished indian. Let,s not forget how your so called aiforce was beaten black and blue in the 1965 war.

I heard now Pakistan has more poor than India, percent wide.

1965 ? Dude ! Wake up ! It's 2015.

127 fgfas will vaporize well fed Pakistanis as if they were malnourished. It's far more superior to planes made in 1965. It's called a fifth generation plane.

Anyway guys, leave this 1965 fan alone.

Things are looking dark for the Indian Air Force. A supposedly fifth generation plane with exposed compressor blades! Dumbest fifth generation plane ever.

Very dark indeed. I feel our enemies are already rejoicing.