Russia to China: Together we can rule the world

[KaiserX]

Siberia as a whole is not considered as a part of China. Maybe less than 5% of its land is considered controversial by few chinese nationalist.CCP's long term goal has never involved siberia for the rejuvenation of china( Taiwan is) as a leading global power,and ccp has their goal set for centuries. CCP's goals is tied to aspirations regarding historical chinese glory and Siberia has no part in it.
Annexing siberia would be a political disaster,set a bad precident and provide all the ammunition toward the western coalition to vilify china once and for all.

It's very likely that China will make amends for its political mistakes toward Japan and reconcile.
CCP learns from their mistakes.
Historically china and japan had a cordial relationship,that's before the western hegemons turned the pacific inside down and set everything haywire.
When China is able to seriously dismantle or challenge US hegemony and make a move for reconciliation toward japan ,Japan will gladly accept an alliance with its historical ally.

Japan always considered China/Korea rivals far before westerners stepped foot in the region. And even period they entered their isolationist periods, Japan always invaded korea/China fearing a strong Central chinese government. They fought for centuries since. Idk where you got your info from.

Hard core CCP and chinese nationals have eyed Siberia for decades. It is one of Chinas long term goals as well as taking back Taiwan and the whole south china sea. Deep down both China/Russia consider eachother rivals. On the surface the only thing that unites them is their anti-US stance. If US were to disengage from the region which in all likelyhood they will in the next few decades they would turn against eachother in a heartbeat. Chinese consider siberia as part of a greater manchuria.

 

[Prince Kassad]

USA to Russia: We got your back, comrade!

 

[Leishangthem]

Japan always considered China/Korea rivals far before westerners stepped foot in the region. And even period they entered their isolationist periods, Japan always invaded korea/China fearing a strong Central chinese government. They fought for centuries since. Idk where you got your info from.

Hard core CCP and chinese nationals have eyed Siberia for decades. It is one of Chinas long term goals as well as taking back Taiwan and the whole south china sea. Deep down both China/Russia consider eachother rivals. On the surface the only thing that unites them is their anti-US stance. If US were to disengage from the region which in all likelyhood they will in the next few decades they would turn against eachother in a heartbeat. Chinese consider siberia as part of a greater manchuria.

China,Japan and Korea were never rivals,not till post-world war II era.infact not until late 70s. Japan also had sufficient respect for the chinese empire and took great influence from them be it the architecture,clothing,eating habits or writing scripts.Wouldn't have been the case if they were bitter rivals.
Japan's expansion in the east was the direct result of the western presence in the east,the annexation of Korea and the occupation of manturia was the result of the Soviet expansion .
US basically embargoed Japan into ww2.

You should look up the map of Qing dynasty or talk with random chinese and ask any of them consider Siberia part of china,the siberia issue is nothing but decisive propaganda aimed to disrupt Russia-chinese alliance.
China & Russia's relation is like a bunch of neighbours,where one is weary of their neibour's sudden rise in affluence and wished for each other to remain at nearby level ,but after one of them got so much affluent and influential the other gave in and accepted not everyone is destined to be always equal,now the neighbour realized it's better to truckle up to his influential neighbour to further his own interest.

 

[donkeykong]

China has no ambitions on Siberia I have never heard any Chinese person say they want to take Siberia. In fact China does not have ambitions towards any areas besides it's rival Taiwan. China and Russia has far more in common especially the most important thing which is mutual respect. The West treats Russian and Chinese as below them which leaves a bad taste in Chinese and Russians mouth.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Japan always considered China/Korea rivals far before westerners stepped foot in the region. And even period they entered their isolationist periods, Japan always invaded korea/China fearing a strong Central chinese government. They fought for centuries since. Idk where you got your info from.

Hard core CCP and chinese nationals have eyed Siberia for decades. It is one of Chinas long term goals as well as taking back Taiwan and the whole south china sea. Deep down both China/Russia consider eachother rivals. On the surface the only thing that unites them is their anti-US stance. If US were to disengage from the region which in all likelyhood they will in the next few decades they would turn against eachother in a heartbeat. Chinese consider siberia as part of a greater manchuria.

Russia to China is the same as Canada to the US. A tenth of the population.

 

[KaiserX]

China,Japan and Korea were never rivals,not till post-world war II era.infact not until late 70s. Japan also had sufficient respect for the chinese empire and took great influence from them be it the architecture,clothing,eating habits or writing scripts.Wouldn't have been the case if they were bitter rivals.
Japan's expansion in the east was the direct result of the western presence in the east,the annexation of Korea and the occupation of manturia was the result of the Soviet expansion .
US basically embargoed Japan into ww2.

You should look up the map of Qing dynasty or talk with random chinese and ask any of them consider Siberia part of china,the siberia issue is nothing but decisive propaganda aimed to disrupt Russia-chinese alliance.
China & Russia's relation is like a bunch of neighbours,where one is weary of their neibour's sudden rise in affluence and wished for each other to remain at nearby level ,but after one of them got so much affluent and influential the other gave in and accepted not everyone is destined to be always equal,now the neighbour realized it's better to truckle up to his influential neighbour to further his own interest.

Koreas identity what partly shaped by the multiple Japanese invasions thousand years ago Read about the Kingdoms of Silla, Baekja, etc... Same with Japan one of the reasons the feudal samurais were able to unite under the central authority was due to their ambitions and interests to invade china/korea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baekgang

Since the mongols initially attempted to invade japan in 1274.. the japanese elite/generals always looked at China as a major threat. Thus Japans strategy has always been to use Korea as a buffer to half any attempted invasion from mainland China and also to exert influence into Manchuria (which they invaded many times before ww2). Once again all these battles were taking place 700 years before any world war.

This is why the US is taking the chains off of Japan and allowing them to rebuild their own military. Sure now China can deal with them due to NK, but Chinas economy is projected to be double the United States. Mark my words Russia Vs China will become a huge rivalry by next decade.

 

[Leishangthem]

Koreas identity what partly shaped by the multiple Japanese invasions thousand years ago Read about the Kingdoms of Silla, Baekja, etc... Same with Japan one of the reasons the feudal samurais were able to unite under the central authority was due to their ambitions and interests to invade china/korea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baekgang

Since the mongols initially attempted to invade japan in 1274.. the japanese elite/generals always looked at China as a major threat. Thus Japans strategy has always been to use Korea as a buffer to half any attempted invasion from mainland China and also to exert influence into Manchuria (which they invaded many times before ww2). Once again all these battles were taking place 700 years before any world war.

This is why the US is taking the chains off of Japan and allowing them to rebuild their own military. Sure now China can deal with them due to NK, but Chinas economy is projected to be double the United States. Mark my words Russia Vs China will become a huge rivalry by next decade.

Never said china -japan never had any trifle between each other. But they had extensive trade and diplomatic relationships while there was zero trade and relationships with west back then.
And as yourself have pointed out,before the 19th century, Japanese incentive toward the invasion of other east asian region was driven by its fear of another possible invasion attempt from a force culminating in greater chinese region,this is the same fear that Japan had when it decided to annex Korea and Manchuria,to deter a hegemonic western force from forming a coalition in east asia that could've served as a pivot toward invasion of japan.

The mongols planted the seeds of distrust among the japanese toward china,not the chinese,japanese feared what if another major power like the mongols took hold of china and decided to invade japan? Japan also didn't like the Hegemonic aspect of China that treated Korea,Vietnam etc as tributaries.

 

[925boy]

You are right, forming up an alliance means you are pushing away other.

"Every choice has an implied rejection" - Brian Tracy.

They never are, its a complex balancing act. As far as Europe is concerned, i think you are mistaken. Europeans actually dont like russia, even many eastern europeans are very anti russia due to their history. European members here can comment on it.
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I'm pretty sure and confident that Russia has good relations with Germany, and decent relations with France. thats a considerable part of core EU power imo.

 

[Globenim]

China has no ambitions on Siberia I have never heard any Chinese person say they want to take Siberia. In fact China does not have ambitions towards any areas besides it's rival Taiwan. China and Russia has far more in common especially the most important thing which is mutual respect. The West treats Russian and Chinese as below them which leaves a bad taste in Chinese and Russians mouth.

Its some mainly Indian nationalist thing. They tend to make claims on behalf on China because they dont really have something of substance to deny Chinas strong relations with Russia that are obviously in best interest for both countries given hostilities and meddling from the U.S.A. against both of them and of course a pain in the *** for Indians who dream about some international effort against China.

 

[donkeykong]

China and Russia killed the most Germans and Japs in world war 2 and sacrificed the most in WW2 but Western media always ignores their contributions

 

[Constantin84]

China and Russia killed the most Germans and Japs in world war 2 and sacrificed the most in WW2 but Western media always ignores their contributions

I agree about Russia but the war in the Pacific would have been won without China. This can't be said about the European theatre and the Soviet contribution.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

I agree about Russia but the war in the Pacific would have been won without China. This can't be said about the European theatre and the Soviet contribution.

There is no ifs and buts in history.

 

[denel]

BRICS went nowhere.... and now this. forget it.

I will not be ruled by a chinese or russian.... thank you.

 

[donkeykong]

BRICS went nowhere.... and now this. forget it.

I will not be ruled by a chinese or russian.... thank you.

It isn't literal as China and Russia are not interested in playing world police.

 

[Broccoli]

It isn't literal as China and Russia are not interested in playing world police.

Both are looking to use military for annexation.

China is eyeing Taiwan, water ways around other pacific countries, islands, etc.

Russia has already annexed parts of smaller countries around it twice since 2008 and so on.