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hard trying to lick Chinese boots? I am not aware of that it is your business, if you are a pinoy.


did you say me recently you are a Viet? if yes, you are a traitor. Yeah...Take a missile from the Chinese and stick to your mouth. That is fun :woot:
he is a coward carry a false flag, and pretend to be some one else, he is Ba tau.
 
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Holy cow, no need to paste the whole article. I've read it long time ago and it is old. Until now, most western analysts still don't accept his view. Although it is still common for oversea chinese nationalists to repeat his argument. But since you've taken the time to dig up the article and made a reply, I'll also make a proper reply:



As mentioned in the article, that treaty only lasted for 30 years so the PRC has the legal right to terminate it on 15 February 1979. The PRC don't even have to do anything to end that treaty. They were so insecure that they don't want to tell the soviet that the treaty has ended, even though they are already legally free from it. Only chinese nationalists think it is a major victory for China to end the treaty lol. And how is that a "goal" for the attack on Vietnam? which only started from 17 Feb 1979 when the PRC is already legally free from the treaty on the 15 Feb?

As Nicholas Khoo said, "It is one thing to terminate an alliance, and a totally different thing to enter into a war." Source: http ://tinyurl.com/p9424wc




Again, did China stop the Soviet from dominating Southeast Asia? as everyone knows, Vietnam ousted China's ally in Cambodia and reinstalled a pro-soviet/vietnam regime. Laos signed a treaty with Vietnam and Vietnam itself kept its alliance with the Soviet. It looks like the Soviet was dominating to me.

As for this "testing" theory, it is a silly argument. Argentina can use the same argument and declare that they've won the Falkland wars. You know, the Argentinian was just "testing" the Bristish to see how they would respond. It doesn't matter if the Brits repelled the Argentinians and continue to occupy the Falklands. The falklands is insignificant and the argentinians achieved their goal by "testing" the British. See the parallel here? this "testing" argument is silly. The PRC did not achieve anything with this "test".

That article claimed that it is a success because it proved that the Soviet won't intervene and help their Vietnamese ally and exposed them as a "paper polar bear". This is also a silly argument. The soviet amassed thier troops on the Northern Chinese border, and in your words, caused the PLA to pull out from vietnam to focus on the soviet up north. The article even mentioned that some soviet leader warned that they could intervene if the situation get worse. In fact, the soviet did send help by sending more frigates to vietnam to protect their weak navy. They send cargo and logistic support for the vietnamese troops.

What else do the author of the article expect? that the soviet should have sent their infantry into vietnam? there is no need, the Vietnamese defenders was mauling the PLA.

This is what a US analyst said in his recent assessment:

Although the PLA had a ten-to-one advantage in numbers of troops and had comparable weaponry to the PAVN, and although it had established an extraordinary ability to fight “battles of quick decision,” it had failed to fight an effective and efficient campaign.

The PLA had amassed an enormous force and planned a war of “quick decision,” but it had failed utterly to make progress against the better-trained and more experienced PAVN.

source: http ://tinyurl.com/nd8ub5u

The PLA did poorly in Vietnam so why would the Soviet need to send their troops to "help" the vietnamese? The Vietnamese didn't even bother to withdraw their forces from cambodia to reinforce their defending troops up north. And the PLA still haven't even face the elite troops who are stationed closer to Hanoi. It doesn't look like the Vietnamese need any more help from the soviet. The article made a political conclusion (that the soviet has no will to intervene) without thoroughly assessing the situation in the battle zone.

The article then conclude that the 1979 campaign exposed the soviet as a "paper polar bear" and proved that china is strong and capable enough to face the soviet-vietnam alliance.

Lets see the fact:

Fact 1: Soviet and vietnam destroyed China's ally and occupied cambodia. Signed a treaty with Laos. Vietnam mauled the occupying PLA. Soviet continue to support Vietnam and encourage it to stand up against China. The article's conclusion = Soviet is a "paper polar bear" and soviet-vietnam alliance is weak.

Fact 2: China's only southeast asian ally got kicked out and cambodia occupied for the next 10 years. China attacked Vietnam, got mauled then withdraw in less than a month. Didn't dare use the PLAN because of the soviets naval inforcement in vietnam. The article's conclusion = victory...China Strong!!! :omghaha:

The article admit that "western scholars have almost universally concluded that China's 1979 invasion of Vietnam was a failure." Why do most western scholars make this conclusion? because the opposite view expressed in your article is weak and stupid.

A country with over 1.3 billion people, IF over 1.2 billion people are stupid and paranoid by propaganda of the CCP, there are still 100 million people are lucid LIKE YOU, this itself makes China is scary in the eyes of others...

In my opinion, the only thing that China received from Sino-Vietnam war 1979, which is, some of your leaders realized the weakness of your PLA, then they had to repair it... and then you can see PLA stronger as today....
 
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Can you show me any proof that US supported China, spy satellites seems to show we were confronting China with the fact they had invaded Vietnam. A secret they were keeping from the Chinese people.
You can find a lot of documents abt US's support to China in 1979.
Amid doubt that China would invade, Deng Xiaoping travelled to Washington to brief
President Carter on China's attack plans. Carter approved the Chinese invasion,
"protected" China from Soviet counterattack and pushed China for restraint.
The "worst possible case" of a nuclear war between China
and the Soviet Union was averted.
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On January 28, 1979. a month after I filed my dispatch, Deng Xiaoping traveled to Washington to inform President Carter of his plans to attack. The United States ordered naval maneuvers to support China against possible Soviet retaliation, but also urged Chinese restraint.
9/11 intelligence; China invades Vietnam
 
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I repeat one last time because I don't get into the habit of repeating my words over again. Our objective in 1979 was to prevent and test the Soviet from dominating and expand its influence in Southeast Asia, which is why when their puppet ally attacked our ally Cambodia, we respond with an attack on Vietnam. We anticipated the Soviet will launch an attack on us in the North, thus we station a massive 1.5 million troops up North for this purpose. In the meantime, freeing Cambodia is only a secondary objective as we have a much larger rivalry with the Soviet at the time.
If u had the guts to "Test" the Soviet then why u came to US and begged for US's protection against possible Soviet retaliation ??
 
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If u had the guts to "Test" the Soviet then why u came to US and begged for US's protection against possible Soviet retaliation ??

Who is the superpower that buy aircrafts from other countries and illegal copy the design ?
Russia ? US ? France ? UK ? Japan ?

We just understand that China is large in area to be protected, and China has many potential enemies surrounded, the ones China once before show their aggression to attack or occupy their lands or sea ( India, Russia, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Laos, Vietnam )
 
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If u had the guts to "Test" the Soviet then why u came to US and begged for US's protection against possible Soviet retaliation ??

Are you ******* stupid? We came to beg the US? We utilized the great power game between the Soviet and US to keep both busy competing with one another during the 1970s and 1980s. It was during this time that Nixon WENT To China to normalize relation and we took the opportunity to form a short-term alliance with the US to counter the Soviet Threat. We never asked the US for protection against the Soviet, you idiot!
 
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Are you ******* stupid? We came to beg the US? We utilized the great power game between the Soviet and US to keep both busy competing with one another during the 1970s and 1980s. It was during this time that Nixon WENT To China to normalize relation and we took the opportunity to form a short-term alliance with the US to counter the Soviet Threat. We never asked the US for protection against the Soviet, you idiot!
So why US agree to ordered naval maneuvers to support China against possible Soviet retaliation ??

If u didnt beg then why would US waste its time to support u ?? It'd much better for US to enslave some idiot Chinese like u if she let USSR naval force wipe out Beijing ,Shang hai ,Hong Kong , right :pop:
 
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1979, China is dirty aggressor.

When it comes backstabbing, India and Vietnam shows similiar spirits. How much you took from us to fight USA? Hundreds of million!!! Brother Ho Chi Minh will slap right on your face if he still alive. Le Duan as a lackey of Soviet union is a ***** as always. Commarade Vo Nguyen Giap pass away, my sincere condolence to him.
 
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When it comes backstabbing, India and Vietnam shows similiar spirits. How much you took from us to fight USA? Hundreds of million!!! Brother Ho Chi Minh will slap right on your face if he still alive. Le Duan as a lackey of Soviet union is a ***** as always. Commarade Vo Nguyen Giap pass away, my sincere condolence to him.

Guys, you should be given great deference to the Soviet Union. Because without the USSR would not be a unified China, and would be a conglomeration of ever-warring semi-independent provinces.
 
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Guys, you should be given great deference to the Soviet Union. Because without the USSR would not have a unified China, and would be a conglomeration of ever-warring semi-independent provinces.
Brother Stalin is a great man, Khrushchev is another story. The main reason why China-Vietnam relationship broke apart shall contrubute to Khrushchev's anti -China policy, and Le Duan chose to suck Khrushchev's *** after Ho Chi Minh's death. That's all.
 
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When it comes backstabbing, India and Vietnam shows similiar spirits. How much you took from us to fight USA? Hundreds of million!!! Brother Ho Chi Minh will slap right on your face if he still alive. Le Duan as a lackey of Soviet union is a ***** as always. Commarade Vo Nguyen Giap pass away, my sincere condolence to him.


China invaded in to our soil and thousands of innocent Vietnamese killed by Chinese 1979. Chinese were dirty aggressors !


China stopped such millions!!! from 1968 to beg USA for that Mao could shaked hands with Nixon in Peking 1972, robbed our Island 1974 . It's backstabbing mentality of dirty aggressors !

Le Duan was not puppet in hands of foreigners, he did what was necessary to defend our country Independence and freedom against all kind of aggressors like France, USA and even China.:coffee:
 
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Guys, you should be given great deference to the Soviet Union. Because without the USSR would not be a unified China, and would be a conglomeration of ever-warring semi-independent provinces.

Soviets given back Manchuria to China and hug amount of weapons then CPC could won on KMT. But china attacked on you 1969.:coffee:
 
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Brother Stalin is a great man, Khrushchev is another story. The main reason why China-Vietnam relationship broke apart shall contrubute to Khrushchev's anti -China policy, and Le Duan chose to suck Khrushchev's *** after Ho Chi Minh's death. That's all.

I agree to the account of Khrushchev - he broke the political and economic system, which was built at the cost of enormous sacrifices by Stalin.
Stalin thought Khrushchev was a fool - at the meetings of the Politburo, he forced drunken Khrushchev to dance and everybody laugh. Khrushchev destroyed artillery and ocean-going fleet, which began to build Stalin. Yes, a lot of things he had done wrong.
 
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he is a coward carry a false flag, and pretend to be some one else, he is Ba tau.
you are also the false flag and tau running away from VN like a girl but still claim yourself as the Viet, it is better for you to put 2 US flag up since you are no longer help the country of VN but just abandoning

China invaded in to our soil and thousands of innocent Vietnamese killed by Chinese 1979. Chinese were dirty aggressors !
China stopped such millions!!! from 1968 to beg USA for that Mao could shaked hands with Nixon in Peking 1972, robbed our Island 1974 . It's backstabbing mentality of dirty aggressors !
Le Duan was not puppet in hands of foreigners, he did what was necessary to defend our country Independence and freedom against all kind of aggressors like France, USA and even China.:coffee:
what a joke, Le Duan went to Beijing begging for Chinese help but the extremist Gang of Four told him to denounce Soviets and cut ties so he refused, when Gang of Four was destroyed your Viets thought there was still opportunity to mend ties like the beggars that you are but was completely ignored by Chinese, after that your Viets was just a lowly slave to Soviets, pathetic!
 
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