Russia stops China from handing its engines to Pak for fighters

[pak_army]

LOLZ @ news
Indian are again having wet dreams....They are high on ##..

 

[Awesome]

LOLZ @ news
Indian are again having wet dreams....They are high on cow piss..

Please mind your language.

Consider this a strong warning.

 

[EagleEyes]

Finally, the Russians stand up. It is pretty much tired of hearing Indian cries. Good job!

"Although India is our strategic partner in military and technological cooperation, it has no right to press Russia to stop exporting weapons or hardware, including to Pakistan. All the more so that no such demands are being made to other countries, for example the United States and France, which sell weapons to both India and Pakistan," Makiyenko said.

 

[Averroes]

This certainly fits in with the engines being of 3rd generation standard, which some keep trying to tell themselves.

 

[karpov]

Why are Indians so worried if we get Russian Engined JF-17, they will rule south asian skies after they get 126 jets, whose tender is under way. Please anyone! What's the best cuitable engine for JF-17 regrdaless of its P&A

 

[PakSniper]

Why are Indians so worried if we get Russian Engined JF-17, they will rule south asian skies after they get 126 jets, whose tender is under way. Please anyone! What's the best cuitable engine for JF-17 regrdaless of its P&A

Even if we didn't get the RD-93 from Russia, we still have the options of WS-13 or the French M46 engine, PAF plans ahead, even if their were to be a significant delay their are always options to expensive Rafales / J-10, etc, remember during the '70s we went for Mirages which costed PAF alot (when it comes to safety, money doesn't matter to them much if their are options available). In the long-run the decision for Mirages paid off.

 

[Awesome]

"Although India is our strategic partner in military and technological cooperation, it has no right to press Russia to stop exporting weapons or hardware, including to Pakistan. All the more so that no such demands are being made to other countries, for example the United States and France, which sell weapons to both India and Pakistan," Makiyenko said.

Ooh check it out, finally Russians bring India's US ties into the limelight and equate it with themselves... That statement shows frustration with India.

 

[Mansoor A Qureshi]

Starange that no indian friend has participated in this thread,



Regards

 

[A.Rahman]

Russia can't stop China from selling jet fighters to Pakistan:


Moscow, Tuesday August 14, 2007: It will be hard to stop China from selling JF-17 Thunder jet fighters equipped with Russian RD-93 engines to Pakistan, even if Russia insisted on it, deputy head of the Center for Strategic and Technological Analysis Konstantin Makiyenko told Interfax-AVN.

"Russia can't prohibit China to re-exporting RD-engines installed in JF-17 Thunder jet fighters to Pakistan, if this is not stipulated in the contract for the sale of the engines," Makiyenko said, commenting on reports in the Indian Express newspaper that Russia has prohibited China to sell JF-17 jets equipped with Russian RD-93 engines to Pakistan.

Russian exporters should have settled all issues with China and India, which opposes such sales, when the contract was still in its preparatory stage, the expert said.

"Although India is our strategic partner in military and technological cooperation, it has no right to press Russia to stop exporting weapons or hardware, including to Pakistan. All the more so that no such demands are being made to other countries, for example the United States and France, which sell weapons to both India and Pakistan," Makiyenko said.

http://www.industrywatch.com/pages/...y=Aerospace%3AHardware&P=&F=&R=&VNC=hnall

 

[JF-17 Thunder]

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[EagleEyes]

Ok, lets get back to realistic scenerios and debate.

Thanks.

 

[JF_17 Thunder]

"Russia can't stop China from selling jet fighters to Pakistan"

Thanx GOD..........

i was waiting for a saying from russia......

 

[karpov]

this is a lot of bull......t i wwouldnt worry even if its true jf-17s are no match for indias new sukhois the best way to fight india is to unleash a million islamics with kalisknikovs and shoulder launched grenades they will bog the indians till doomsday loool

Are you kidding?????

 

[Goodperson]

Russia Tries To Serve Two Masters

August 16, 2007: Russia has again changed its mind about using Russian made engines in Chinese made JF-17 jet fighters that Pakistan has already paid for. Earlier this year, Russia announced that none of the 500 Russian RD-93 jet engines China is buying could be exported to a foreign country. This was a problem, as China needs those engines for the 150 JF17 fighters it is building for Pakistan. What makes this particularly nasty is that Pakistan has invested $150 million in the development of the JF17. Pakistan thought Russia would give China permission to export the RD93 equipped aircraft. After all, China was such a large customer for RD93 engines (originally designed for the MiG-29), and those 500 RD93 engines are worth $1.25 billion.

But apparently India played hardball, and demanded that the Russians forbid the export of the RD93s from China to Pakistan. India is a major customer for Russian weapons, including cooperative development deals. China is a big customer for Russian weapons as well, but India buys more stuff, and is seen as less of a future threat to Russia than China.

But it gets more interesting. China has been developing a similar (apparently identical) engine to the RD93, the WS-13. Actually, this effort is being aided by Russia, which is selling China technology needed for the manufacture of key engine components. Russia isn't happy about this, because they don't want competition in the low cost jet engine market. Then again, China has a history of stealing technology it cannot buy, so the Russians are making the best of a bad situation. China says the WS-13 is nearly ready for service. Maybe, maybe not. Building high performance military jet engines is difficult, and China has had problems mastering this kind of stuff. Not that they will not eventually acquire the skills, but if they don't, they could just ship RD93 equipped JF17s to Pakistan and say that the aircraft are using WS-13s.

China shipped two RD93 equipped JF-17s to Pakistan last March, and informed the Russians that, according to the their interpretation of the 1992 RD-93 contract, China could re-export the RD-93 engines. The situation sat, unresolved, until this month, when the Russians said that they believed that the 1992 contract was quite clear about China needing Russian permission, and China didn't have it. The Russians were playing hardball, at the behest of the Indians. Apparently, India is expected to use this RD-93 veto to get Pakistan to offer up some appropriate in the current peace talks between the two countries. India would particularly like Pakistan to turn over a number of Islamic terrorists who have killed Indians, and then taken refuge in Pakistan.

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htproc/articles/20070816.aspx

 

[abbasirauf]

Oh guys stop joking,,, Pakistan has already made J17 thunder and now started delivering to its air force...Ha Ha ha