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Russia pledges $1 billion to Pakistan for steel and electricity

We should be careful updating relations with Russia Federation in ne geopolitical scenario. We have to deal with Russians as they want to deal with us understanding their strategies with deep analysis and shouldn't repeat methods we used to apply on US-PAK relations.
 
I think its primarily an anti USA and economic factor that drives russian to invest in pak. Good part for india is that india gets another country apart from china to provide leverage in case of issues against pakistan...:)

1. Troll Post - Thread is about Pakistan-Russia..NOT China or India
2. So you admit India despite its superpower, superpower hoopla is still behind China in regional leverage and despite all the anti-China trolling, it actually needs China to talk to Pakistan??
3. Russia is a regional heavy weight and actually is the only country with some balls to confront USA in a manner the Chinese cannot because their trade with USA is very important.
4. Tilting of two major regional powers in Pakistan favour is definately a diplomatic accomplishment.


lol Russia thinking it had made a mistake?Lmao are u kidding me?

It on the que of improved relations with India tht Russia has been given the green to intervene in this geopolitical game(that touches on Indian sensitivities).
and ull be utterly naive if ud think tht America wasn't in on this too.

Im must say tho im impressed ,
What Russia has definitely learnt form China, is how to heard the Green sheep ;
and has definitely upped its ante in its geopolitical ambitions.

Balancing much of the reasons of any kind of conflict.Polatical,PRoxy or military.

Having said this ...this equation is gonna bring about a strong balance in the region ... a win win for everyone.

Give it some time and ull see Russia making advances into Afghanistani development as well..
though appeasing Pakistan would bee a correct move in every respect ...this way Pakistan doesn't feel isolated ..and will welcome Russia in Afganistan.

Something which led to total economic collapse of Soviet Union should be regarded as a mistake or an accomplishment you decide?? So why were they not herding this Green Sheep since the cold war days?? A regional heavy weight needs approval of India to advance relationships with Pakistan, a country which is too busy itself in forgetting their friends and making new colonial friends. Now its a well known confession of Hillary that India incursions into Afghanistan and now in SEA are American instigated for advancement regional ambitions!. So India effectively is American foreign policy "sheep" which can be herded where they please!


The only professional green sheep herders are Indians who knew how to "use" soviet union desperation to settle their own scores.

I don't think Russia is interested in Afghanistan. While americans are trying hard to damage their own economy, it is time for Russia to improve its own economy...

Then how do you think they plan to build the 1000KM power transmission line from Central Asia to Pakistan?? Russian influence will greatly stablize Afghanistan because they are present just next door and it current context of war, cannot be seen as invaders. Where as American who came from a different continent to carpet bomb Afghanistan will never be precivied as friendly once their pupper Karzai falls in Kabul!

Its just a type of Loan. Pakistan will have to repay interest along with Debt. Otherwise why Russia is going to give Pakistan $1 Billion when it won't benefit in business sense. Hope Pakistan will use this money in best way.

The Steel Mills were originally established by the Russian and they obviously still have its blue prints. The grant is a form of investment and a large part of it will not be cash but rather goods, machinery and services needed for expansion of Steel Mills.

What about collaboration in Sukhoi T-50. Few days ago I was watching an opinion poll on Pakistani News Channel about Russians and 70% Pakistanis hate Russians.

The Russians needed the money and the Indians needed the hardware. As simple as that! Most of the framework and tech will still be done with Russian talent. Russia is increasingly becoming fedup of being milked for cheap by the shrewed Indians! Its time to look on the greener side of the grass.

Russia knows that Pakistan got the control of USA within their hands. So he wanna control US through Pakistan.....See Putin is so intelligent. He reversed the US game within their favor.....Excellent Putin keep it up we will repay it back to U......:)
Its not about control its about striking at the right moment when iron is hot. The people of Pakistan and Afghanistan are highly sentimental and given recent turn of events, they will never consider American friendly as long it has got its boots on the Afghan ground. The Russians are simply taking advantage of the opportunity to play good cop vs bad cop. This is politics!

Today the news is
http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/139833-russia-pledges-1-billion-pakistan-steel-electricity.html

Few Days ago the news was
http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/139574-russia-announces-500m-grant-pakistan-steel-mills.html

Exactly 1 month ago the news was...
http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/133989-galvanising-pakistan-steel-russia-offers-350m-loan-revive-ailing-unit.html

Few months ago the news was...
http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/111385-russia-invest-steel-banking-sectors.html

$ 350 million then $500million and now $ 1 Billion....
I wonder what would be the news tomorrow....:lol: :lol:

First China sold U the dreams of giving U billions of dollors and now Russia is selling the dreams of giving U billions....

Time to say.. Good Morning...(Wake up):azn:
Stop dreaming ..and work hard.

The Chinese gave us the dreams, the inspiration and the will power long before they had actual hard cash to finance it too.

On the other side, enjoy you India super power dreams directed by Nehru, India Asian power dreams directed by Hillary and now after failure in Afghanistan, India SEA power also directed by Hillary! In reality, as posted by a member above India "hopes" on leverage of China and now of Russia to deal with Pakistan?? How pathetic for a country which dreams to be a super power but cannot deal with its small neighbor without the support of two major regional powers!

Russians are businessmen, man how this reminds of the RD-93 and JF-17 episode.... all sorts of you folks saying ..... how RD-93 could be stopped because of Indian pressure.

Now lets see..... how many RD-93s do the Chinese have?

The Russians have far come off the Soviet facade of friendship. They have realized that politics are brutal and every country needs to run their economy smoothly. After all, their best friends India is also following the same logic of "Best bang for the buck". So what stops Russians for selling what they will?
 
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The Russians have far come off the Soviet facade of friendship. They have realized that politics are brutal and every country needs to run their economy smoothly. After all, their best friends India is also following the same logic of "Best bang for the buck". So what stops Russians for selling what they will?
Nothing stops Russians from getting the "Most bang for their Buck" , and it's their legitimate desire.
Question is :- What can pakistan offer (Bang) for the Russians Bucks ?

If U can not offer anything , the Russians (and any other investor ) will go the Chinese way.
And we all will be discussing the news items ONLY and end up with duck (zero) .:cheesy:
Right now I can not see any "Bang"...so I don't expect to see any "Buck".

Good Night!
 
Nothing stops Russians from getting the "Most bang for their Buck" , and it's their legitimate desire.
Question is :- What can pakistan offer (Bang) for the Russians Bucks ?

If U can not offer anything , the Russians (and any other investor ) will go the Chinese way.
And we all will be discussing the news items ONLY and end up with duck (zero) .:cheesy:
Right now I can not see any "Bang"...so I don't expect to see any "Buck".

Good Night!

Here is the Bang part:

Out of ambitious Saudi infrastructure spending and lucrative petrochem contracts, Chinese bagged the majority of contracts while Russians bagged zero! Being in good terms with Pakistan helps you expand to our friends..You cannot root out the Pakistani influence in opening Saudi markets for the Chinese....or in Putin own words..."Pakistan is our important partner in South-Asia and the Muslim world".

The key her is the "Muslim World"
 
lol Russia thinking it had made a mistake?Lmao are u kidding me?

It on the que of improved relations with India tht Russia has been given the green to intervene in this geopolitical game(that touches on Indian sensitivities).
and ull be utterly naive if ud think tht America wasn't in on this too.

Im must say tho im impressed ,
What Russia has definitely learnt form China, is how to heard the Green sheep ;
and has definitely upped its ante in its geopolitical ambitions.

Balancing much of the reasons of any kind of conflict.Polatical,PRoxy or military.

Having said this ...this equation is gonna bring about a strong balance in the region ... a win win for everyone.

Give it some time and ull see Russia making advances into Afghanistani development as well..
though appeasing Pakistan would bee a correct move in every respect ...this way Pakistan doesn't feel isolated ..and will welcome Russia in Afganistan.

LOL LOL LOL. :D
 
Question is :- What can pakistan offer (Bang) for the Russians Bucks ?
Stability in Central Asia , Greater role in Afghanistan , Gateway to the muslim world and Access to warm waters ... What else do you desire ? :cheesy: Are some of our friends feeling a bit insecure after all the defense deals worth billions and still their major ally calls their arch rival a " key partner " , Offers a billion for Steel industry , finances 500 million for Pakistan to get electricity from Central Asian states ? :P
 
Stability in Central Asia , Greater role in Afghanistan , Gateway to the muslim world and Access to warm waters ... What else do you desire ? :cheesy: Are some of our friends feeling a bit insecure after all the defense deals worth billions and still their major ally calls their arch rival a " key partner " , Offers a billion for Steel industry , finances 500 million for Pakistan to get electricity from Central Asian states ? :P

Please, stop talking like this, the same goes for all others here who drag politics into simple economic contracts...

Regardless of what their intentions are and what "games" they are playing...

On this PARTICULAR part of the forum, we should only discuss the possible economic effects of the investment...



simply consider for example, where the price of steel would go once Paksitan Steel Mill gets the $500M upgrade. This $500M investment is aimed at making the plant more efficient and economical, and SHOULD, if all goes well, reduce price of steel in pakistan.
This in turn has the potential to reduce prices of many many steel products in which local steel is used like refrigerators, cars, chairs, construction steel (rebars, beams etc etc) and many many other things. And lowered price will also increase profits of all those companies who use steel in their products.

So overall, this investment is going to have a positive result on the private sector and you can expect KSE100 to rise a little as well as a result of this investment, if it already hasnt.

But then again, if things go like the way they USUALLY do in our country, the money will be wasted and nothing will happen....And we will be wondering where all the money went...
 
Pakistan needs to get closer to Russia and this is a great step forward. They have Trillions of dollars of cash with hardly a debt on top. I hope the America saga is over now amongst our citizens.
 
I don't know why is so hoopla Russians have even provided aid in the 80s to the pakistan specially steel plant even then they were strong friends to India the same exits today.

Even India is improving its relations with pakistan and if one goes by the face of it the India-pakistan relations are at the fair level if one compares to the past.

The picture is quite larger ...............Afghanistan.
 
hahah pledge,,, have u forgotton the pledges made after oct 8 earthquake ?

this pledge will also vanish into thin air,, its only to feed the short sighted ppl of pakistan,, off course pledges are only to create a good will ,,

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by the way there is no ruski source for this news else they very much like picking such news,,,
 
Russians are trying to fill the gap between Pakistan and America. Which Russians were not getting chance due to pro american attitude of Pakistani govts since its inception.

But helping Pakistan dosnt make Russia less freindly with India.Just as supporting for Palestine by India do not harm relation between India and Israel.
 
Chinese bagged the majority of contracts while Russians bagged zero! Being in good terms with Pakistan helps you expand to our friends..You cannot root out the Pakistani influence in opening Saudi markets for the Chinese....or in Putin own words..."Pakistan is our important partner in South-Asia and the Muslim world".
The key her is the "Muslim World"

While I am certainly not prone to how hundreds of Consulates/Embassies' diplomats all over the world operate but nations are essentially much enlarged projects of human beings--human beings with emotions, fears, hopes, greed, prejudices... And so if Pakistan and Pakistani diplomats have deep trusting connections in the Arab world then it is not so strange that Pakistani diplomats arrange social gathering etc where they tie up Chinese diplomats to the Arab diplomats and so 'business' gets done on preferential terms. I know this is kind of a crude example but what I am trying to say is that human-factors probably play huge role. Look at one more example: Because of Pakistan-Turkey personal deep bonds the Turks have often not been so friendly toward India even though 'business' interests may dictate otherwise. The world is full of such kind of interactions.
Also, as someone says above, Russia is trying fill in the gap where Washington has become estranged from Pakistan. In my opinion, using OBL raid to so publicly humiliate and blackmail Pakistan via the use of media has ruined Pakistan-America relationship--which has been mutually beneficial for decades--to, perhaps, the point of no return. The first time even liberal Pakistanis are probably beginning to think that America is far bigger danger than India. India and Russia have an opening in Pakistan for historic, strategic alliances which they never had until barely six months ago.
 
no one can replace china in the eyes of pakistanis because china is our most trusted brother and friend and its good russia is approching pakistan as it will make asia more safe and both countries including china could make some moves which can undermine nato us india
 
While I am certainly not prone to how hundreds of Consulates/Embassies' diplomats all over the world operate but nations are essentially much enlarged projects of human beings--human beings with emotions, fears, hopes, greed, prejudices... And so if Pakistan and Pakistani diplomats have deep trusting connections in the Arab world then it is not so strange that Pakistani diplomats arrange social gathering etc where they tie up Chinese diplomats to the Arab diplomats and so 'business' gets done on preferential terms. I know this is kind of a crude example but what I am trying to say is that human-factors probably play huge role. Look at one more example: Because of Pakistan-Turkey personal deep bonds the Turks have often not been so friendly toward India even though 'business' interests may dictate otherwise. The world is full of such kind of interactions.
Also, as someone says above, Russia is trying fill in the gap where Washington has become estranged from Pakistan. In my opinion, using OBL raid to so publicly humiliate and blackmail Pakistan via the use of media has ruined Pakistan-America relationship--which has been mutually beneficial for decades--to, perhaps, the point of no return. The first time even liberal Pakistanis are probably beginning to think that America is far bigger danger than India. India and Russia have an opening in Pakistan for historic, strategic alliances which they never had until barely six months ago.

After what happened in Iraq, Arabs are extremely wary for keeping their infrastructure knowledge in ultimate secrecy and this is where China comes in because it can conceal the information from both, USA and EU! Back in the 60's when Saudis wanted to secretly accquire nuclear capable missles, Chinese along with some Pakistani diplomacy came real handy!
 
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