Russia playing mind games attacking Poland to show to the other NATO members that the US and NATO won't honor commitment of treaty

[jhungary]

you deny Poland wants those areas and consider them part of their country that illegally stolen from them ?
and there is some precedence for that UAE get some strategic parts in yemen for going to the trouble of intervention there . or KSA get some island from Egypt for its supports

First of all, for what? 2 men killed in Poland?

Second of all, unlike Russia, NATO will not annex other countries land, NATO is NOT in it to expand some countries land. If NATO really go in and Poland trigger Article 5. NATO will attack Ukraine, conquer Ukraine, and then hand the country back to Ukraine.

And finally, lol, you seem like you have no idea what the history between Ukraine and Poland is.

 

[Hack-Hook]

And finally, lol, you seem like you have no idea what the history between Ukraine and Poland is.

why i must knew that in detail, do you guys knew the history between Afghanistan and Pakistan.
I only knew Poland have claim on those areas

 

[jhungary]

why i must knew that in detail, do you guys knew the history between Afghanistan and Pakistan.
I only knew Poland have claim on those areas

Claim what??

Ukraine - Polish Rule, Galicia, Habsburgs | Britannica

Ukraine - Polish Rule, Galicia, Habsburgs: Important differences marked the two main regions that found themselves in the confines of reconstituted Poland. Galicia was the less ethnically homogeneous. From the Austrian period, however, the Galician Ukrainians brought a long history of...

www.britannica.com

Saying the current Poland have claim on Western Ukraine is like saying current UK have claim on Australia.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Claim what??

Ukraine - Polish Rule, Galicia, Habsburgs | Britannica

Ukraine - Polish Rule, Galicia, Habsburgs: Important differences marked the two main regions that found themselves in the confines of reconstituted Poland. Galicia was the less ethnically homogeneous. From the Austrian period, however, the Galician Ukrainians brought a long history of...

www.britannica.com

Saying the current Poland have claim on Western Ukraine is like saying current UK have claim on Australia.

well there is somethings called constitutional monarchy and Guess who is the monarch

history of Ukraine and Poland can summarized in whenever they could they killed each other

 

[BHAN85]

It has already been confirmed to be Russian

Nobody lied.

USA said it wasn't launched from Russia, certainly, it wasn't launched from Russia. They didn't say if it was Russian made or not.

Poland said it was Made In Russia missile, and yes, S300 is made in Russia, but it wasn't launched by Russia.

It seems everybody knew the truth from the moment zero, but they did a little show anyway, creating a hysteria in West Europe massmedia along hours.

 

[jamal18]

It is by now confirmed by all but the Ukrainians that it was a S-300 air defence missile from Ukraine. A spent missile that was fired at Russian aerial targets.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Both Russia and USA denied Russian involvement in this attack.

Do the Ukrainian people have any idea, What direction does this Jewish comedian take their country?

 

[jhungary]

well there is somethings called constitutional monarchy and Guess who is the monarch

history of Ukraine and Poland can summarized in whenever they could they killed each other

You do know British Monarch did not really rule Britain, right?

On the other hand, if we go by history about whenever they could they killed each other, then I would say a lot of country have right to claim a lot of other country, for example, British and France, British and US, US and Mexico, Mexico and Guatemala (The whole Yakutan thing), Germany and Russia, France and Russia, Germany and Italy, Japan and Korea and just about every other African Nation....

 

[Hack-Hook]

You do know British Monarch did not really rule Britain, right?

England Monarch have these rights
1- each year monarch must open the parliament
2-any law the parliament pass the monarch must sign otherwise the law is meaningless
3-Monarch can appoint minister to the crown
4-Monarch can grant royal pardon
5-any British passport is issued by grace of the monarch and can be taken back by monarch
6-the monarch is commander in chief of all British force
7-monarch in united kingdom is the only person that can declare war
8- the monarch can fire all parliament and hold another election if desire so
9-Monarch is the head of commonwealth of nations and their rulers each two years decide on issues and priorities for Commonwealth
10-Monarch must pick the prime minister of England (usually the head of the party who get most votes , but if the prime minister resign or die he can choose what he want)
11- Monarch appoint members of the house of lords
12-Monarch appoint supreme court justices
13 the monarch must ratify Welsh legislation
14-the laws of northern Ireland must ratified by the monarch
15-the monarch must decide who will be member of privy council
16-monarch must approve privy council's orders and proclamation .
17-Monarch is immune of doing anything wrong so civil and criminal proceedings cannot be taken against the sovereign as a person under U.K. law.
18-all driving license in Britain are issued in the name of king so if he desire he can withheld them from anybody
19-as the head of church of England monarch appoints archbishops, bishops and deans of the Church of England


and the most serious and questionable power of the monarch
20- since 1324 He own all whales and sturgeons taken in the sea or elsewhere within the realm and all Swans on Thames river interestingly the law is in effect and he also own all the Dolphins in England

 

[Nasr]

This incident that claimed the lives of two Polish citizens, was perpetrated by Ukraine. For starters, the missile in question was from an S-300 air defense system. Secondly, the trajectory of the missile that impacted in Polish territory, was flying West whereas the Russian missile barrage was flying West. If the S-300 was engaging targets from the Russian missile strike, from its launch area (Livov) then the S-300 missile would've flown East to intercept the Russian missile.

Also, the missile serial numbers match it to Soviet era production, with delivery manifest locating the missile system delivery to Ukraine SSR. The system was retained by the Ukrainian state upon the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Also, U.S was/is tracking all the missiles flying over Ukraine.

In the immediate aftermath of the incident, the level hysteria gripped the Polish establishment was unreal. They were talking about invoking Article 5 of the NATO charter that would've brought all of NATO on war footing against Russia. And I believe that both the old NATO states (France, Germany, Italy, Spain) know very well that this would lead to a full blown nuclear Armageddon with Russia.

Reality .... the eastern bloc of Europe, the Russia hating zealots i.e Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Poland and Czech Republic are the ones actively seeking for NATO to get into a shooting war with Russia over Ukraine. Not France, not Germany, not Italy, not Spain or any other Western European nation.

 

[jhungary]

England Monarch have these rights

Are you for real trying to challenge a common fact that British Monarch role in UK politics are larely symbolic??

Okay, I'll bite

1- each year monarch must open the parliament

That did not mean anything

2-any law the parliament pass the monarch must sign otherwise the law is meaningless

Any president of the US have to be confirmed by the VP, that does not mean the VP have right not to confirm it.

3-Monarch can appoint minister to the crown

See 2

4-Monarch can grant royal pardon

That have nothing to do with Ruling.

5-any British passport is issued by grace of the monarch and can be taken back by monarch

That have nothing to do with ruling. Queen (and now King) also issue and appear in Australian 5 dollar note, that does not mean the Queen or King of English have the right to print Australian currency in Australia. The same with British five pound and one pound currency

6-the monarch is commander in chief of all British force

That's in name only, have no power over British Military. It's like "Colonel" Sanders on Military Issue.

7-monarch in united kingdom is the only person that can declare war

Royal Prerogatives (the power that give monarch to declare war) is not codified in Parliamentary Procedure, yes, the King or Queen of England can declare war to anyone, the Parliments can choose not to follow, the same as any British Subject can declare war on anybody, I can declare war as a British Subject (I hold a UK Passport) to anyone, that does not mean the Parliament have to follow my declaration.

Royal prerogative - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

8- the monarch can fire all parliament and hold another election if desire so

Again Royal Prerogatives is not codified in British Parliament. Also see 2.

9-Monarch is the head of commonwealth of nations and their rulers each two years decide on issues and priorities for Commonwealth

The Queen's powers in government as Head of State—what exactly can she do?

The Queen's powers in the UK Parliament may surprise you

www.womanandhome.com

10-Monarch must pick the prime minister of England (usually the head of the party who get most votes , but if the prime minister resign or die he can choose what he want)

See 9

11- Monarch appoint members of the house of lords

House of lord did have power to review bill, but do not have power to prevent bills from passing into law as per Parlimentary act 1911.

Parliament Act 1911

www.legislation.gov.uk

12-Monarch appoint supreme court justices

Yes, but he/she didn't choose them.

13 the monarch must ratify Welsh legislation

Again, but he/she did nto make those legislation also see the dury of "Head of State" above

14-the laws of northern Ireland must ratified by the monarch

see 13

15-the monarch must decide who will be member of privy council

Again, Privy Council is printed under the Royal prerogative, which again, did not codified in the Parliament.

Royal Charters - Privy Council

Their original purpose was to create public or private corporations (including towns and cities), and to define their privileges and purpose. Nowadays, though Charters are still occasionally granted to cities, new Charters are normally reserved for bodies that work in the public interest (such...

privycouncil.independent.gov.uk

16-monarch must approve privy council's orders and proclamation .

It doesn't matter, Privy Council decision did not codified in British Parliament.

17-Monarch is immune of doing anything wrong so civil and criminal proceedings cannot be taken against the sovereign as a person under U.K. law.

That have nothing to do with ruling Britain. So did the Prime Minister of UK and the act of indemnity is presided by the British Parliament. which mean they can pass law to indemnify anyone under British rule.

Indemnity and Oblivion Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

18-all driving license in Britain are issued in the name of king so if he desire he can withheld them from anybody

So the king rules the cars?? lol.

Again, see Royal Royal prerogative

19-as the head of church of England monarch appoints archbishops, bishops and deans of the Church of England

Unless British church rules England, this have nothing to do with ruling Britain.

20- since 1324 He own all whales and sturgeons taken in the sea or elsewhere within the realm and all Swans on Thames river interestingly the law is in effect and he also own all the Dolphins in England

Yet, the Spanish keep stealing British fish. what's the point here??

I mean, I am pretty sure there is a code in British Parliament on every subject which you mentioned. But not being a lawyer, I would have no idea, these answer is just a quick 30 minutes search on the internet, my wife probably knows which law to quote to answer all those point, but as I said before, the rate you are going, my wife is going to charge you for her service if you keep on going with these lines of questions.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Any president of the US have to be confirmed by the VP, that does not mean the VP have right not to confirm it.

in England monarch have the right not to confirm it.

That have nothing to do with ruling. Queen (and now King) also issue and appear in Australian 5 dollar note, that does not mean the Queen or King of English have the right to print Australian currency in Australia. The same with British five pound and one pound currency

that mean the monarch if decide can say you are not English anymore

That's in name only, have no power over British Military.

they have by law , they only decide not to delegate the power to somebody else , because its only trouble but if a king/queen decide he can control the army

Royal Prerogatives (the power for monarch to declare war) is not codified in Parliamentary Procedure, yes, the King or Queen of England can declare war to anyone, the Parliments can choose not to follow, the same as any British Subject can declare war on anybody, that does not mean the Parliament have to follow

has nothing to do with parliament but something between prime minister and the monarch

The Queen's powers in government as Head of State—what exactly can she do?

The Queen's powers in the UK Parliament may surprise you

www.womanandhome.com

See 9

well women and home . com didn't get it completely

Yes, but he/she didn't choose them.

as much as our supreme leader don't choose guardian council members

Again, but he/she did nto make those legislation also see the dury of "Head of State" above

the duty are 20 not 3 that the women and home . com stated

House of lord did have power to review bill, but do not have power to prevent bills from passing into law as per Parlimentary act 1911.

Parliament Act 1911

www.legislation.gov.uk

if you read it you see the house still can do many things

It doesn't matter, Privy Council decision did not codified in British Parliament.

and parliament is not everything

Unless British church rules England, this have nothing to do with ruling Britain.

so you don't believe in the power that church have
let just say their wealth by the way the wealth of church of England estimated 10.5billion pound , you think how many pm can be bought by that

 

[jhungary]

in England monarch have the right not to confirm it.

Umm. No.

Can the King dissolve Parliament?

Does the monarch have the power?

metro.co.uk

read the last paragraph of this article.

that mean the monarch if decide can say you are not English anymore

Having a passport and currency is separated to having the nationality.

I don't even have a Swedish Passport, that does not mean I am not Swedish.

they have by law , they only decide not to delegate the power to somebody else , because its only trouble but if a king/queen decide he can control the army

by which law??

The only law applicable with the British Armed Force are Armed Forces Act 2006, which stated the day-to-day operation and the jurisdiction of armed force belong to the Defence Minister (Ben Wallace) and the Minister of State of the Armed Force (James Heappey)

Show me which law give the power of British Armed Force to the Monarch??

has nothing to do with parliament but something between prime minister and the monarch

Like what? Especially when it was not codified in the Parliament

well women and home . com didn't get it completely

Like what they didn't get it completely? The stuff in your imagination??

as much as our supreme leader don't choose guardian council members

I don't know what you know about Supreme Court Judges in the UK, they are not the same as SCOTUS, the highest council member of British Judiciary system is High Court of England, while they both are the last court system in each country SCOTUS can make precedents and judge on a presided issue, while SCOTUK can only accept appeal.

the duty are 20 not 3 that the women and home . com stated

Don't know what the hell are you talking about

if you read it you see the house still can do many things

Like what?

and parliament is not everything

Then what is??

so you don't believe in the power that church have
let just say their wealth by the way the wealth of church of England estimated 10.5billion pound , you think how many pm can be bought by that

Dude, you are going on a tangent here. I believe Church in the UK is a powerful entity, the same thinking I believe the Corporation in America is a powerful entity, as a Political Science Graduate, I can tell you this does not translate to the actual power in governing a country, because of how the political system works.

Long story short, lobbying is a powerful tool of any government, however, it's the citizens who dictate policy, not corporation because it's not the corporation that vote the government in every 3 or 4 years, it's the people. That's exactly the reason why GOP loses the Mid-term 2022 by the way. GOP have more corporation backing yet loses to the sheer will of people who don't want to vote in Trump related candidate even if they did not support the current ruling party and its leader.

 

[JohnyD]

Russia denied and I dont think its an act of attack on Poland...if Russia seriouly threat any Nato nation with offensive military actions, it would be suicidal and Russia would and must pay the heavy price for it...sad that i have to write against Russia!

 

[Commoner]

This was a timely and deliberate attack to send massive message to the smaller NATO Nations creating doubt into their minds..

This is the begining of Russia doing this from time to time.. High level mind games

It was a "stray missile" fired by Ukrainian air defense; how exactly is Russia testing the spirit of NATO? You are blaming Russia for the attack. Facts are in contradiction to your claim.