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ABU DHABI — Moscow and New Delhi have agreed to perform design work in India on what Russia claims would be a "fifth generation" version of the Su-35, an agreement that may lead to an Indian variant of the fighter jet, the Russian Military Complex chief said.

The announcement makes India the first country to sign a contract, however preliminary, for the S version of the Su-35.

"We have been negotiating and have signed the intention protocol for the Su-35," Rostec CEO Sergey Chemezov said during the IDEX show in Abu Dhabi last month. "Now we are working on designing ideas for this contract and on creating a manufacturing platform for the aircraft of the fifth generation."

Rostec is Russia's state-run corporation that oversees export of high-tech products.

Chemezov said the jet would be developed to meet the Indian Air Force's requirements. He did not say how many of the jets India might plan to buy.

Russia claims the Su-35S would be a fifth generation fighter, as opposed to the legacy fourth generation Su-35. That implies stealth, but it's unclear whether the jet would be on par with an F-35 joint strike fighter.

In India, however, no source in the Defence Ministry could confirm that any deal had been signed with Russia on the Su-35S. An Air Force official did say that the Russians have made one or two Su-35S presentations in the past six months on how it can help replace India's MiG-21 and MiG-27 fighter aircraft, which are due for retirement in seven or eight years.

Russian industry sources said the fighter will be priced at $85 million. That could make it competitive with Dassault Aviation's Rafale, and could have implications for India's proposed purchase of 126 Rafales. New Delhi selected the Rafale as the preferred bidder in a protracted competition in 2012, but has yet to make a final decision on the purchase.

Indian and French defense ministers discussed the Rafale deal during Jean-Yves Le Drian's recent visit to India, an Indian MoD source said. But Indian Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar did not provide a time commitment to Le Drian on when the deal will be signed.

Parrikar told Le Drian that state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL) has been asked to complete cost estimates for the Rafales it will build under license.

The French defense minister's spokesman was not available for comment.

A Dassault Aviation spokesman, asked about the Indian agreement for design work on the Su-35S, said the Indian Air Force chief has said a Sukhoi cannot replace a Rafale.

In India, the Economic Times, reported on Feb. 19 that Indian Air Force chief Arup Raha ruled out a purchase of additional Su-30s as the Russian fighter and the Rafale complemented each other rather than the former replacing the latter.

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi is due to visit Paris in April, which could be an opportunity for some clarification on the potential Rafale deal, Agence-France Presse has reported.

Russian aircraft makers have been eagerly proclaiming their willingness to step in if India ultimately rejects the French jet. Many believe Russia wants to undercut France as punishment for Paris refusing to deliver two Mistral helicopters carriers to Russia amid deepening tensions with Ukraine.

"If [India] needs additional Su-30MKI fighters, then we are ready to work out such an agreement," Sergei Goreslavsky, deputy director of Russia's arms export agency Rosoboronexport, told the RIA Novosti news agency on Feb. 16. India operates a large fleet of Sukhoi Su-30 fighters, some of which have been locally produced by HAL.

And Russia's RSK MiG says it would offer an upgraded version of its developmental MiG-35 if India reopens the tender.

"We have every chance to compete [for the contract]," MiG chief Sergei Korotkov said at Aero India on Feb. 18, according to the RIA Novosti new agency. "We have not lost hope that a future tender or competition will be announced."

India remains dependent on Russia to supply weaponry and the two countries have been successful in conducting joint development programs involving advanced technologies, including the co-production of the supersonic BrahMos cruise missile.

"Efforts will be made to modernize the Indian defense forces with emphasis on Make-in-India defense programs," an Indian MoD official said. "India remains committed to buy advanced technologies."

India's dependence on Russia for the bulk of its weapons systems, said defense analyst Nitin Mehta.

"India wants to buy advanced systems like the Rafale, even at a higher cost," he said. "[But] dependence on Russians will remain ... and it would be difficult to find the resources to replace these with advanced systems immediately."

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said the Su-35S would enter Russian service this year as part of the expansion of the Air Force and Naval Aviation branch.

"Currently, we're testing a new Su-35S multifunctional fighter jet. This year, the new aircraft should enter service. This is the main task for this year," Shoigu said in February.

China is also considering a purchase of Su-35s. A February report by Zvezda, a television network run by the Russian military, said that long-running talks might conclude with a deal to buy 24 fighters on May 19.

Chemezov said that the contract, if signed, would provide China with the fourth-generation Su-35, not India's fifth-generation S model.

"This aircraft is called Su-35-4 plus PAK-FA generation and we are negotiating with China and we are in progress and I hope it will be over soon. I wouldn't like to discuss contracts that have still not been signed," he said. "The important point is that this is a very unique aircraft that has not been delivered to any country."

Another potential customer for the Su-35 is Egypt. Last fall, Russian President Vladimir Putin and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi signed an arms deal reportedly worth $3.5 billion. Egyptian media reported that the package included Su-35s.

But Chemezov said no firm purchase deal had been settled.

"We have not signed anything with Egypt; we signed an intention protocol and we are negotiating it. I hope soon we will sign a contract," he said.

Experts have suggested that Egypt, long a customer of US arms makers, would have trouble integrating Russian hardware.

"This would require a significant investment and both sides have been in negotiations for years without results," said Ruslan Aliev, of Moscow's Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.

But Chemezov said the two countries have already agreed on training protocols in case the purchase goes through.

"As a matter of fact, the terms and conditions of the contract that have been signed maintain not only the delivery and other terms but also the training," he said. "First the pilot will be trained in Russia and later in Egypt, as an example when we supplied the helicopters to the Pentagon, which were then delivered to Afghanistan the pilots took their training to Russia."
 
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Yes number of soldiers when it comes to equipment they suck sorry for harsh words but its reality
Our defense budget are being allocated mostly for Logistics and transportation because we're an archipelagic Nation. Right now there are more important usage on budget such as KFX/IFX Fighter program, Medium Tank project, Frigate project, and many more which is benefitting us in long term.
 
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Our defense budget are being allocated mostly for Logistics and transportation because we're an archipelagic Nation. Right now there are more important usage on budget such as KFX/IFX Fighter program, Medium Tank project, Frigate project, and many more which is benefitting us in long term.
Yes but still you need around 270 4.5++ Generation Fighter Jets like SU-35 and F-16 BLOCK 60 or Euro Fighter
 
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Yes but still you need around 270 4.5++ Generation Fighter Jets like SU-35 and F-16 BLOCK 60 or Euro Fighter
Dude atleast tell the logic behind your 270 figure. Why do they need that many fighters? That many fighters care last thing they need and it would be a total waste. They will rather try to build/buy more warships and few submarines while still getting a decent fleet of aircrafts but surely they have no requirement for 270 fighters.
 
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ABU DHABI — Moscow and New Delhi have agreed to perform design work in India on what Russia claims would be a "fifth generation" version of the Su-35, an agreement that may lead to an Indian variant of the fighter jet, the Russian Military Complex chief said.

The announcement makes India the first country to sign a contract, however preliminary, for the S version of the Su-35.

"We have been negotiating and have signed the intention protocol for the Su-35," Rostec CEO Sergey Chemezov said during the IDEX show in Abu Dhabi last month. "Now we are working on designing ideas for this contract and on creating a manufacturing platform for the aircraft of the fifth generation."

Rostec is Russia's state-run corporation that oversees export of high-tech products.

Chemezov said the jet would be developed to meet the Indian Air Force's requirements. He did not say how many of the jets India might plan to buy.

Russia claims the Su-35S would be a fifth generation fighter, as opposed to the legacy fourth generation Su-35. That implies stealth, but it's unclear whether the jet would be on par with an F-35 joint strike fighter.

In India, however, no source in the Defence Ministry could confirm that any deal had been signed with Russia on the Su-35S. An Air Force official did say that the Russians have made one or two Su-35S presentations in the past six months on how it can help replace India's MiG-21 and MiG-27 fighter aircraft, which are due for retirement in seven or eight years.

Russian industry sources said the fighter will be priced at $85 million. That could make it competitive with Dassault Aviation's Rafale, and could have implications for India's proposed purchase of 126 Rafales. New Delhi selected the Rafale as the preferred bidder in a protracted competition in 2012, but has yet to make a final decision on the purchase.

Indian and French defense ministers discussed the Rafale deal during Jean-Yves Le Drian's recent visit to India, an Indian MoD source said. But Indian Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar did not provide a time commitment to Le Drian on when the deal will be signed.

Parrikar told Le Drian that state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL) has been asked to complete cost estimates for the Rafales it will build under license.

The French defense minister's spokesman was not available for comment.

A Dassault Aviation spokesman, asked about the Indian agreement for design work on the Su-35S, said the Indian Air Force chief has said a Sukhoi cannot replace a Rafale.

In India, the Economic Times, reported on Feb. 19 that Indian Air Force chief Arup Raha ruled out a purchase of additional Su-30s as the Russian fighter and the Rafale complemented each other rather than the former replacing the latter.

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi is due to visit Paris in April, which could be an opportunity for some clarification on the potential Rafale deal, Agence-France Presse has reported.

Russian aircraft makers have been eagerly proclaiming their willingness to step in if India ultimately rejects the French jet. Many believe Russia wants to undercut France as punishment for Paris refusing to deliver two Mistral helicopters carriers to Russia amid deepening tensions with Ukraine.

"If [India] needs additional Su-30MKI fighters, then we are ready to work out such an agreement," Sergei Goreslavsky, deputy director of Russia's arms export agency Rosoboronexport, told the RIA Novosti news agency on Feb. 16. India operates a large fleet of Sukhoi Su-30 fighters, some of which have been locally produced by HAL.

And Russia's RSK MiG says it would offer an upgraded version of its developmental MiG-35 if India reopens the tender.

"We have every chance to compete [for the contract]," MiG chief Sergei Korotkov said at Aero India on Feb. 18, according to the RIA Novosti new agency. "We have not lost hope that a future tender or competition will be announced."

India remains dependent on Russia to supply weaponry and the two countries have been successful in conducting joint development programs involving advanced technologies, including the co-production of the supersonic BrahMos cruise missile.

"Efforts will be made to modernize the Indian defense forces with emphasis on Make-in-India defense programs," an Indian MoD official said. "India remains committed to buy advanced technologies."

India's dependence on Russia for the bulk of its weapons systems, said defense analyst Nitin Mehta.

"India wants to buy advanced systems like the Rafale, even at a higher cost," he said. "[But] dependence on Russians will remain ... and it would be difficult to find the resources to replace these with advanced systems immediately."

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said the Su-35S would enter Russian service this year as part of the expansion of the Air Force and Naval Aviation branch.

"Currently, we're testing a new Su-35S multifunctional fighter jet. This year, the new aircraft should enter service. This is the main task for this year," Shoigu said in February.

China is also considering a purchase of Su-35s. A February report by Zvezda, a television network run by the Russian military, said that long-running talks might conclude with a deal to buy 24 fighters on May 19.

Chemezov said that the contract, if signed, would provide China with the fourth-generation Su-35, not India's fifth-generation S model.

"This aircraft is called Su-35-4 plus PAK-FA generation and we are negotiating with China and we are in progress and I hope it will be over soon. I wouldn't like to discuss contracts that have still not been signed," he said. "The important point is that this is a very unique aircraft that has not been delivered to any country."

Another potential customer for the Su-35 is Egypt. Last fall, Russian President Vladimir Putin and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi signed an arms deal reportedly worth $3.5 billion. Egyptian media reported that the package included Su-35s.

But Chemezov said no firm purchase deal had been settled.

"We have not signed anything with Egypt; we signed an intention protocol and we are negotiating it. I hope soon we will sign a contract," he said.

Experts have suggested that Egypt, long a customer of US arms makers, would have trouble integrating Russian hardware.

"This would require a significant investment and both sides have been in negotiations for years without results," said Ruslan Aliev, of Moscow's Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.

But Chemezov said the two countries have already agreed on training protocols in case the purchase goes through.

"As a matter of fact, the terms and conditions of the contract that have been signed maintain not only the delivery and other terms but also the training," he said. "First the pilot will be trained in Russia and later in Egypt, as an example when we supplied the helicopters to the Pentagon, which were then delivered to Afghanistan the pilots took their training to Russia."

Actually Russia offer to us is Su-35 S, which is a Russian Airforce standard of Su 35.
 
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Indonesian Armed Forces and Ministry of Defense Finally Said Yes for Su-35

TNI and Indonesian MoD Agreed to Buy Su-35

TNI with the Ministry of Defence (Ministry of Defense) agreed to choose a fourth plus-generation fighter aircraft Sukhoi (Su-35) made in Russia, as a replacement for the F-5 aircraft that are not airworthy.

TNI Commander General Moeldoko convey, the fighter aircraft purchasing decisions through a long process. Prosesnyawa initiated talks between the Government of Indonesia and the Ministry of Defense of Russia and continued between the two countries.

"It was a choice between the military along with the Ministry of Defense and has been an agreement," said Moeldoko after attending a hearing with the theme of the military activity in the Energy Sector Security with Multiple Problems and Solutions in Hall Cilangkap TNI Headquarters, East Jakarta, Thursday (3/12/2015 ).

The secretary-general (Kapuspen) TNI Major General Fuad Basya added, the Su-35 fighter aircraft of choice to complement the main weaponry system (defense equipment) in order to strengthen the Air Force air defense of the Republic of Indonesia (NKRI). According to him, the aircraft procurement has gone through several stages.

"Yeah, so in the military was no process name Determinants and Procurement Council (Wantuada) which are diangkatan, then there become Determination Policy Council and defense equipment (Wanjaktu) at the TNI Headquarters. The results of the combined TNI headquarters to be the interoperability with the rest of fleet "said Fuad.

He added, the results then TNI choose Sukhoi-35 that was agreed upon. The next stage Indonesian MoD will run the administrative process.

"The process (procurement) stay the Minister of Defence. How quickly depends on the Minister of Defence, because in their hand the adminitration will be processed. We wanted as quickly as possible, because the F-5 has to be replaced, "he explained.

Being asked how many fighter aircraft Su-35 will be held at the first stage, Fuad chose not to mention.

"I do not know the exact number but, obviously we will brought them gradually and was until 2024 with the end minimum essential force (MEF) period all of it is already present," he said.

TNI dan Kemhan Sepakat Beli Pesawat Sukoi Generasi...
 
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Indonesian Armed Forces and Ministry of Defense Finally Said Yes for Su-35

TNI and Indonesian MoD Agreed to Buy Su-35

TNI with the Ministry of Defence (Ministry of Defense) agreed to choose a fourth plus-generation fighter aircraft Sukhoi (Su-35) made in Russia, as a replacement for the F-5 aircraft that are not airworthy.

TNI Commander General Moeldoko convey, the fighter aircraft purchasing decisions through a long process. Prosesnyawa initiated talks between the Government of Indonesia and the Ministry of Defense of Russia and continued between the two countries.

"It was a choice between the military along with the Ministry of Defense and has been an agreement," said Moeldoko after attending a hearing with the theme of the military activity in the Energy Sector Security with Multiple Problems and Solutions in Hall Cilangkap TNI Headquarters, East Jakarta, Thursday (3/12/2015 ).

The secretary-general (Kapuspen) TNI Major General Fuad Basya added, the Su-35 fighter aircraft of choice to complement the main weaponry system (defense equipment) in order to strengthen the Air Force air defense of the Republic of Indonesia (NKRI). According to him, the aircraft procurement has gone through several stages.

"Yeah, so in the military was no process name Determinants and Procurement Council (Wantuada) which are diangkatan, then there become Determination Policy Council and defense equipment (Wanjaktu) at the TNI Headquarters. The results of the combined TNI headquarters to be the interoperability with the rest of fleet "said Fuad.

He added, the results then TNI choose Sukhoi-35 that was agreed upon. The next stage Indonesian MoD will run the administrative process.

"The process (procurement) stay the Minister of Defence. How quickly depends on the Minister of Defence, because in their hand the adminitration will be processed. We wanted as quickly as possible, because the F-5 has to be replaced, "he explained.

Being asked how many fighter aircraft Su-35 will be held at the first stage, Fuad chose not to mention.

"I do not know the exact number but, obviously we will brought them gradually and was until 2024 with the end minimum essential force (MEF) period all of it is already present," he said.

TNI dan Kemhan Sepakat Beli Pesawat Sukoi Generasi...


An excellent replacement for the F-5 fighters. Long may these serve the Indonesian Air Force , to protect and defend Indonesian skies, and to forward stability in the region.

Merdeka! Hiduplah!
 
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An excellent replacement for the F-5 fighters. Long may these serve the Indonesian Air Force , to protect and defend Indonesian skies, and to forward stability in the region.

Merdeka! Hiduplah!
The russians are saving there arse. They are trolled by Indian MoD.
 
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Actually Russia offer to us is Su-35 S, which is a Russian Airforce standard of Su 35.

So China has Su-35 gen 4 max
India and Indonesia have Su-35S gen 5
Vietnam get Su-30SM
 
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So China has Su-35 gen 4 max
India and Indonesia have Su-35S gen 5
Vietnam get Su-30SM

It can be said that in term of every thing minus air frame, it is already 5 generation (Irbis radar is not AESA yet, but it has similar capabilities, and some say it has longer detection than AESA made by France). The air frame is also made to reduce RCS so it is a bit different with original Su 27. Russia offers us Su 35 S, but we dont know yet about the package that we actually buy, since there is flexibility to add something or even lower the current specs.

As far as I know China hasnt yet made any decision to buy Su 35 since they already have their own 5 generation programs.
 
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So China has Su-35 gen 4 max
India and Indonesia have Su-35S gen 5
Vietnam get Su-30SM


China actually is not willing to buy SU-35 since they almost produce J-16 the comparable ones. And another 2 year from now they will receive the J-20.

Russia force china to buy SU-35 as one package with engine S117. China is interested with the engine not the plane, because their WS10 production rate cannot match the J-10B/J11B/J15/J16 production rate.
 
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China actually is not willing to buy SU-35 since they almost produce J-16 the comparable ones. And another 2 year from now they will receive the J-20.

Russia force china to buy SU-35 as one package with engine S117. China is interested with the engine not the plane, because their WS10 production rate cannot match the J-10B/J11B/J15/J16 production rate.

I guess with Indonesia deal, Russian never feel regret for small batch of Su-35 dealing with China.
In this case, Indonesia is the bigger customer of Su-35
 
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If i were Indonesian top brass i will be more considering Eurofighter consortium offer of line production assembly and transfer technology scheme as their partnership and transfer technology to us had been proven with the manufacturing of CN-235 series and Euro helicopter series like Fennec and Cougar.

A tip, some of the european countries with eurofighters have budget issues and would love to unload some of the units that they have or that they have on order. Can have a good deal there.


SM, M2 or SU-35, has not being decided yet or do you have any new info on that?

So what? we had dough and capability to reverse engineering something albeit at much lesser level than India and China, but nevertheless we are progressing



The most probable possibility is just three squadron

In Indonesia, how many planes in 1 squadron?
 
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A tip, some of the european countries with eurofighters have budget issues and would love to unload some of the units that they have or that they have on order. Can have a good deal there.



SM, M2 or SU-35, has not being decided yet or do you have any new info on that?



In Indonesia, how many planes in 1 squadron?
Germany

A squadron in Indonesia : 16 units
 
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