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Russia is not a friend of India


Subramanian Swamy
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Chinese President Xi Jinping and Russian President Vladimir Putin leave after a session of the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum, Russia on 7 June 2019. REUTERS



Russians earlier were friends of the Nehru family, not of India.



New Delhi: Is Russia a reliable friend as it has been propagated for the last 70 years? Can we trust Russia anymore? For China, Russia was a trusted friend and a patron of the communist parivar from 1949 to 1960. Then at China’s weakest moment in 1960, faced with a gigantic collapse of the ill-conceived Great Forward Movement and a huge famine, when between 16 to 32 million Chinese died due to starvation, Moscow ordered the withdrawal from China all its industrial projects, its blueprints, and technical staff, resulting in the collapse China’s industrial sector.


China then in the mid-1960s was hit by the chaos created by the Red Guards of the Great People’s Cultural Revolution [1966-77] under Chairman Mao’s direction, disrupting universities, workers’ trade unions, Communist Party structure and social security. Deng Xiaoping was forced to wear a dunce’s cap and asked to clean canteen tables for a living.


China’s recovery began after Chairman Mao’s demise in 1976, and with Deng Xiaoping returning to the helm of the Chinese Communist Party leadership in 1980. Beijing’s border war with Moscow in 1977 for rival claims on the island Jan Bao Dao in the middle of the Ussuri, a border river, in Siberia, convinced the US leadership to enter into a strategic and economic cooperation with China, as a counterweight to the Soviet Union.





Thus began the flowering of China’s economy, its international presence, and revamp of universities by joint ventures generously provided by the US for its enlightened national interest to counter the Soviet Union with China on board.


Soviet Union had sued for peace with US to sideline Chinese collaboration with US, but the concessions that US President Ronald Reagan sought from Moscow, undermined and then unravelled Soviet Union itself in 1991.





It began with Gorbachev introducing Perestroika [re-structuring of the economy] and Glasnost [openness of dissent]. The Berlin Wall was torn down and Germany united. Poland, Hungary and Czechoslovakia broke free from being Soviet Union’s colonies.


Finally, in August 1991, the Soviet Union broke, unravelling into 16 countries. The communist propaganda that there was “no poverty in Soviet Union, no unemployment in Soviet Union, and no inflation in Soviet Union” ended with the whimper that “there was no Soviet Union”.





Moscow is now the capital of Russia only. Formally it is not a communist country. It a de facto dictatorship of Vladimir Putin, who recently won a rigged election to be President of Russia till 2036. Xi Jinping has been elected by the CPC recently for life!


The transition of Russia has been amazing. First there was the Czarist monarchy called Russia, which the royalty ruled from St Petersburg as capital. Then there emerged through a revolution led by Lenin the Bolshevik state, and after Lenin’s death was followed by Joseph Stalin’s communist Soviet Union with its capital in Moscow. Today there is Putin’s Oligarchic Russia being ruled from Moscow. These the government formations spanned a century since 1920.


But the bottom line has remained the same—a government led by dictatorship, which is expansionist, an oligarchy and headed for bankruptcy.


The Indian connection with Russia, that was Soviet Union, was through leaders like Jawaharlal Nehru and his clique, bolstered by bureaucrats educated in Cambridge and Oxford like P.N. Haksar, G. Parthsarathy, Nurul Hasan, and several intellectuals who were weaned by Soviet spies during Stalin’s tenure [that lasted till 1953] such as Kim Philby during our Freedom Struggle.


This Leftist syndicate adopted the Soviet Union’s economic system known as the “command economy” once India became free. It means the state will enjoy strategic and commanding heights.


There were others too who influenced Nehru: the Marxist-Leninist minded Krishna Menon, who led Nehru to lead the nation to disaster in our China relations. Another was Edwina Mountbatten [who had a “special relationship” with Nehru], who herself was weaned by a “special friend” and singer Paul Robeson, who in turn had been influenced by communism and Russia.


Nehru was fooled into thinking that leaders in Moscow were permanent friends, but in fact we Indians were more like “Pavlovian dogs”, that is, those who complied on signals from Moscow.


The relevance of all this history is that most Indians still think that “Russians” are India’s permanent friends, little realising that in international affairs there are “no permanent friends, no permanent enemies, but only permanent interests of nations”.


Moreover, Russians earlier were friends of the Nehru family, but not of India. Although clinching proofs are kept in frozen vaults in tight fisted Russian archives, most knowledgeable Indian patriots suspect that Netaji Subash Bose, Lal Bahadur Shastri, Deendayal Upadhyaya, and Sanjay Gandhi were assassinated by the KGB to ensure secure entry into the top positions for Nehru, Indira Gandhi, and Sonia Gandhi.


Books written by ex KGB agents and Yelstin government intellectuals such as Mitrokhin and Albats establish the KGB connections of the Nehru “dynasty”. Putin is a trained KGB officer turned politician. In 2006 he personally escorted Ms Sonia Gandhi to the Vladimir jail near St Petersburg, where Sonia Gandhi’s father Stephano Maino as Hitler’s army jawan, was taken prisoner during World War II and kept in jail. He was let off early from Vladimir jail by the Russians reportedly because he was cooperative in the KGB interrogation. When Maino returned home to Orbassano, Italy, he renamed his three daughters with Russian names. Antonia became thus Sonia.


The question thus is: Will Putin’s Russia be a genuine friend of India today in our border war with China? The answer will come when we understand what kind of Russian-Chinese friendship exists today.


The short answer to the question is “no”. The reason is that it is clear the Russians act according to the interests of China. That is, Russia is a “junior partner” of China. Russia, according to Putin’s 23 October 2020 statement, “could enter into a military alliance with China”.


Since India purchased the S-400 air to surface rocket attachment for jet fighters in 2018, India has been increasingly relying on Russia for weapons. India appears to have accepted Russia as a de facto mediator in the conflict with China since 18 April 2020 in Ladakh.


However, this is most inadvisable, since in June 2017, Chinese President Xi Jinping described Russian President Vladimir Putin as “my best friend and colleague”. This was not a casual compliment usually paid at banquets during bilateral summits, and for the media. It was a revelation of the things to come.


As in his perceptive op-ed piece in the Hindu, our former Foreign Secretary, Vijay Gokhale, IFS, has pointed out, there are “three pillars on which the Sino-Russian partnership rests”. He concludes his well informed analysis, with which this author fully concurs, by saying that “Moscow is in real danger of permanently becoming the ‘junior partner’ of Beijing”.


At no time since the emergence of the People’s Republic of China in 1949 has such lopsided public bonhomie been seen between leaders of Russia and China.


Soviet Union, of which Russia was a component, had become a hot enemy of China after 1958 when Chairman Mao launched the Great Leap Forward project.


To collapse this project, the Soviets led by Khruschev cancelled all the industrial projects that were being implemented to modernise China, and also withdrew all the experts along with the blueprints sent to China.


Not only did the Great Leap Forward become a disaster for agriculture, but industry got stunted, and because of terrible drought about 16 million to 32 million died in the ensuing famine in 1960-61.


For the Americans, thus, the road to Beijing got opened. Within the decade of the 1960s, American and Chinese negotiators met in Warsaw, Poland, to work out a thaw in relations.


In 1972, the US changed its two-decade-old stand and voted to admit China into the United Nations and invited it to take the seat of permanent member with a veto at the UN Security Council. China was greatly benefitted by the US granting it the Most Favoured Trade Clause, thus opening US markets to China, and for Joint Ventures to enable China to produce with its cheap and captive labour, and accelerate Chinese GDP at more than 10-12% growth rate for a decade. China soon rose from 9th position in GDP ranking to second position by the year 2000.


Today, the Kremlin seems to believe that the road to revival of Russian power and prestige similarly runs through collaboration.


But China is not of a one-dimensional mind. It had fooled Jawaharlal Nehru with “Hindi Chini Bhai Bhai” as well as in 18 meetings of Xi Jinping with our Prime Minister Narendra Modi.


Neither Indian PM had any idea what China could do. I had, as a patriotic Indian, been warning BJP since 2017 that China would do what it did.


Hence, not to be disappointed or feel jilted today firstly a proper appraisal of the Sino-Russian relationship will be critical to our foreign policy calculus. As Mr Gokhale states, the disintegration of the Soviet Union essentially negated the Russian threat in Chinese eyes. Both these trends will likely continue despite the recent tensions in Sino-US relations.


Sino-Russian partnership currently rests on peace at the frontier, trade and Chinese funds for Russia to escape the effects of US sanctions, and a shared distrust of American democracy and institutions.


Currently, Sino-Russian trade has more than doubled. Russia’s central bank has increased its Chinese currency reserves from less than 1% to over 15%. Germany is no more the principal supplier of industrial plant and technology to Russia. China is! Action is taking place in multilateral forums such as BRICS, increasingly sophisticated joint military exercises, and pooling of influence with countries such as Iran.


The S-400 missile system built by Russia and sold to India has Chinese electronics. This has alienated the US, which was about to sell advanced military hardware to India, but has put it on hold because US cannot risk Chinese or Russian espionage in India on advanced US weapons systems.


Hence, India has to make a choice: Either we partner US strategically or Russia and China together. If we have a conflict with China, Russia therefore cannot be trusted, nor if we do, will the US trust us. Hence, this dream of isolating China by trusting Russia is short-sighted. Russia is no more, if ever since 1992, a friend of India in the sense of standing up with India against China. India, in a border war with China, does not need allies.


But if China expands the war arena with India, then of course the Quad arrangement with Vietnam, Sri Lanka, Indonesia and other nations can form a grand alliance.


Dr Subramanian Swamy is a sixth term MP. He has taught economics at Harvard and at IIT Delhi, and has been senior Union Cabinet Minister of Commerce and Law & Justice.

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Is it's biggest supplier of arms and military technology and will be for the foreseeable future so
 
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You don't really have a choice, majority of your military hardware depends on Russia at-least for the next two decades.
 
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Childish analysis.

There is no country-to-country "friendship" in international relations (though there may be good relations between certain leaders and historical/cultural ties) --- just shared interests. When interests shift, so will "friendships."
 
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You don't really have a choice, majority of your military hardware depends on Russia at-least for the next two decades.

Agreed
SU30MKI will remain the mainstay fighter until 2040
T90 until 2040 too

But interestingly all new hardware post 2015 for top end seems to be USA israeli & France
ie
C17
Chinooks
Apache
Phalcons
Barak Sams
Rafales
Scorpene

In near future expect more Rafales & French subs ie barracuda or new larger Scorpene & possibly super hornets or F35 for Navy
 
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Agreed
SU30MKI will remain the mainstay fighter until 2040
T90 until 2040 too

But interestingly all new hardware post 2015 for top end seems to be USA israeli & France
ie
C17
Chinooks
Apache
Phalcons
Barak Sams
Rafales
Scorpene

In near future expect more Rafales & French subs ie barracuda or new larger Scorpene & possibly super hornets or F35 for Navy
who knows 2040
 
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Agreed
SU30MKI will remain the mainstay fighter until 2040
T90 until 2040 too

But interestingly all new hardware post 2015 for top end seems to be USA israeli & France
ie
C17
Chinooks
Apache
Phalcons
Barak Sams
Rafales
Scorpene

In near future expect more Rafales & French subs ie barracuda or new larger Scorpene & possibly super hornets or F35 for Navy

None of the weapons from west are major weapon systems. Rafaeles are way too few to be considered a replacement.

F-18 and F-35 are just fantasies.
 
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Typical banya mentality. It is india and not Russia, who has alienated one from the other. Banyas have chosen the zionist-West as their premier ally because the banya mentality thinks the zionist-West is the superior power. While Russia has not done so, since Russia does not classify other states into enemy or friend basket. Russia deals with other countries based on mutual and bilateral cohesion. Being as fair as it can be in a world full of liars, imposters, thieves and deceitful leaderships.

The pathetic state of indian leadership is indicative of the typical banya mentality. All indians are not like the this, but they are a tiny minority and it is sad to see them silenced into submission.

Today, india has chosen yet again to be on the wrong side of history. To ally itself with israel is india's biggest folly. In the immediate future the benefits seem to justify their choice, but what the banya leadership is pathetically oblivious to is the zionist has no allies, it has slave states. They will use you and discard you when your usefulness has come to an end.

On the other hand, Pakistan shall find in Russia, a greater ally than its ever known in its existence. The key is how Pakistan approaches and treats Russia. Pakistan has the tendency to treat it's allies with genuine friendship. This will be one advantage Pakistan has from the get go.

The test will come when Pakistan stands at the cross roads where it's supposed brother, Turkey turns coat. Beware of that instance, for it would be the pivotal point for Pakistan.

Choose your friends CAREFULLY, there are no second chances and deceit proliferates unabated.
 
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None of the weapons from west are major weapon systems. Rafaeles are way too few to be considered a replacement.

F-18 and F-35 are just fantasies.

The hornet is being pushed down indian throats by usa for decade and f35 is being discussed as counter to chinease j20 after India pulled out of financing the Russian pak fa fifth gen fighter.

yes India pulled out declaring Russian fighter insufficient for indian needs in future in current state,and Russian reluctance to share,technology.

Russian will remain key until 2040 but future,is definitely western and indian systems
 
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Typical banya mentality. It is india and not Russia, who has alienated one from the other. Banyas have chosen the zionist-West as their premier ally because the banya mentality thinks the zionist-West is the superior power. While Russia has not done so, since Russia does not classify other states into enemy or friend basket. Russia deals with other countries based on mutual and bilateral cohesion. Being as fair as it can be in a world full of liars, imposters, thieves and deceitful leaderships.

The pathetic state of indian leadership is indicative of the typical banya mentality. All indians are not like the this, but they are a tiny minority and it is sad to see them silenced into submission.

Today, india has chosen yet again to be on the wrong side of history. To ally itself with israel is india's biggest folly. In the immediate future the benefits seem to justify their choice, but what the banya leadership is pathetically oblivious to is the zionist has no allies, it has slave states. They will use you and discard you when your usefulness has come to an end.

On the other hand, Pakistan shall find in Russia, a greater ally than its ever known in its existence. The key is how Pakistan approaches and treats Russia. Pakistan has the tendency to treat it's allies with genuine friendship. This will be one advantage Pakistan has from the get go.

The test will come when Pakistan stands at the cross roads where it's supposed brother, Turkey turns coat. Beware of that instance, for it would be the pivotal point for Pakistan.

Choose your friends CAREFULLY, there are no second chances and deceit proliferates unabated.

Very well said, I actually have no problem with indian themselves, the problem only started and only getting worst with their insane hindu nationalism. And also since the pandemic many Chinese already started seeing the true color of the indians. They take this advantage to crush China through their brainwashing media creating lies to slander China and the Chinese people as a whole, as they are weak bunches they cannot do that militarily or economically but only can do that via their cheap media.

As I have always said many times before Pakistani have a lot more honors than the indians which unfortunately completely lacking due to their extreme hindu nationalism making them a total backstabber, that is why the friendship between China and Pakistan persist after 50 years even though both went through a roller coaster ride through the last 50 years.
 
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The hornet is being pushed down indian throats by usa for decade and f35 is being discussed as counter to chinease j20 after India pulled out of financing the Russian pak fa fifth gen fighter.

yes India pulled out declaring Russian fighter insufficient for indian needs in future in current state,and Russian reluctance to share,technology.

Russian will remain key until 2040 but future,is definitely western and indian systems

Hornet maybe but highly unlikely

F-35 is impossible. India ruled itself out when it purchased s-400..
 
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