Russia & Iran negotiate canal from Caspian Sea to Persian Gulf

[pin gu]

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1907551

and what about separate this idea in 2-3 phases
1.First phase just build canal and create a tiny lake beside Lot desert
then start to study environment effects

 

[OldTwilight]

Actually , in Shah era , there was plane to make more nuclear planets and use the extra electricity for pomping water in this so called canal ....
there is no nuclear tech in Iran any more ...

 

[fitpOsitive]

wouldnt this create underground water hardening issues?
btw nice project.

 

[pin gu]

Actually , in Shah era , there was plane to make more nuclear planets and use the extra electricity for pomping water in this so called canal ....
there is no nuclear tech in Iran any more ...

Energy is no problem for Iran .
Iran can distribute daily 10k barrels of oil for this project . lack of funds is bigger problem as US threatened other countries to not join in this project

 

[Hack-Hook]

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1907551

and what about separate this idea in 2-3 phases
1.First phase just build canal and create a tiny lake beside Lot desert
then start to study environment effects

I don't like it this drastic change will totally destroy the ecosystem of central Iranian plateau.

 

[pin gu]

what we see today in east and south east of Iran is destroyed version of ecosystem .about 50 years ago there was 3-4 lakes and some rivers in that area today there is only a name of them . some of them completely dried and some just need a little more time to dry. few examples
Hamoon lake in sistan baluchstan

Jazmorian in Kerman
http://www.isna.ir/news/94121006409/مرگ-تالاب-جازموریان

http://www.salamatnews.com/news/205251/۵۸-درصد-مساحت-کل-تالاب-های-کشور-از-بین-رفته-است

به گزارش سلامت نیوز به نقل از خانه ملت، محمدرضا تابش در همایش روز جهانی تالاب ها که در اهواز برگزار شد، با بیان اینکه از حدود 3 میلیون هکتار مساحت تالاب های کشور حدود 58 درصد مساحت کل این تالاب ها از بین رفته و بستر آنها به خاک و نمک تبدیل شده است، گفت: اگر به احیای تالاب ها توجه نشود دامنه اجتماعی آن به مباحث سیاسی و نهایتاً امنیتی تبدیل خواهد شد.

از حدود 3 میلیون هکتار مساحت تالاب های کشور حدود 58 درصد مساحت کل این تالاب ها از بین رفته و بستر آنها به خاک و نمک تبدیل شده است.
تالاب هایی که خشک شده اند منشا انتشار ریزگردها و عاملی خطرزا برای زیستگاه های انسانی و حیوانی است.

سلامت نیوز: ۵۸ درصد مساحت کل تالاب های کشور از بین رفته است

http://www.tabnak.ir/fa/news/660581/بحران-تکراری-خوزستان-حتی-نمازجمعه-را-تعطیل-کرد-ویدیو

خبرهاي رسيده از استان خوزستان حاكي از اين است كه وزش شديد باد و افزايش گرد و غبار در آسمان استان به ويژه شهر اهواز به حدي است كه در برخي مناطق برق قطع شده و باد به تعداد زيادي از درختان آسيب زده است. در اين رابطه سازمان هواشناسي استان خوزستان اعلام كرد، پديده گرد و غباري كه امروز در استان ايجاد شده منشأ داخلي دارد و ميزان گرد و غبار موجود در آسمان نيز به 66 برابر حد مجاز رسيده است.

 

[Sam.]

@Nilgiri @hellfire it looks like NSTC corridor with different name.

We have to look at who the main destination for such a canal would be, and it would be Russia. Russia's main oil and gas exports go to Europe through pipelines. So it would be one way traffic. Not comparable to the Suez canal which links the entire western and eastern worlds.

I think it is just too little benefit for way, way too much cost.

No Mr Amir as we will divert our goods to central Asian , Russia and EU through this as it will save cost.

 

[AmirPatriot]

@Nilgiri @hellfire it looks like NSTC corridor with different name.


No Mr Amir as we will divert our goods to central Asian , Russia and EU through this as it will save cost.

Not the EU. That would mean transport by road. Which is not cheaper than shipping.

 

[Sam.]

Not the EU. That would mean transport by road. Which is not cheaper than shipping.

Well I didn't do any kind of analysis so I will take your word for EU. But even then second route is always good for uninterrupted supply as well as security.

 

[OldTwilight]

I don't like it this drastic change will totally destroy the ecosystem of central Iranian plateau.

well , it has no ecosystem at all ... just some deserts ...

 

[Hack-Hook]

well , it has no ecosystem at all ... just some deserts ...

does desert have life in them also pomping salt water an those area will made the underground water reserve useless it also wash the salt on the ground and send it underground that made underground waters more salty .

 

[pin gu]

you saying in nation with 80 million population no one can comes up with idea to separate salt from water ? and if they cant do it there are few plants that can grow even with salty water and the project is to bring water to already dead lakes which we call today SALT lakes there is a one near Qom and couple near Kerman and Semnan

 

[Arminkh]

you saying in nation with 80 million population no one can comes up with idea to separate salt from water ? and if they cant do it there are few plants that can grow even with salty water and the project is to bring water to already dead lakes which we call today SALT lakes there is a one near Qom and couple near Kerman and Semnan

I am ok with a canal but having a lake instead of a desert requires much more environmental consideration.

first of all, having a body of water means having a massive heat capacitor sitting in central desert. Meaning now the desert is not going to cool down at night. So the immediate result is less fluctuation in temperature which may be a good thing or not depending how you look at it.

The other thing that it may cause is high winds due to temperature differences. Winds that we didn't use to have, in desert it may mean sand storm or more floating particles in the air.

It will also make the whole dry weather inside Iran more humid which makes the heat more unbearable.

I wouldn't worry about underground water as you can always desalinate the water and use it instead of underground water and also can sell the sea salt which is pricey.

Having said that, central desert of Iran used to be a big lake long time ago. We also know it was not a sweet water lake as now we can see the salt spread around the desert that is the remnant of that lake. It may not be bad thing to bring it back but at the same time we need to realize it means a big environmental change with a lot of impacts not all of which may be welcome.

 

[Sina-1]

I am ok with a canal but having a lake instead of a desert requires much more environmental consideration.

first of all, having a body of water means having a massive heat capacitor sitting in central desert. Meaning now the desert is not going to cool down at night. So the immediate result is less fluctuation in temperature which may be a good thing or not depending how you look at it.

The other thing that it may cause is high winds due to temperature differences. Winds that we didn't use to have, in desert it may mean sand storm or more floating particles in the air.

It will also make the whole dry weather inside Iran more humid which makes the heat more unbearable.

I wouldn't worry about underground water as you can always desalinate the water and use it instead of underground water and also can sell the sea salt which is pricey.

Having said that, central desert of Iran used to be a big lake long time ago. We also know it was not a sweet water lake as now we can see the salt spread around the desert that is the remnant of that lake. It may not be bad thing to bring it back but at the same time we need to realize it means a big environmental change with a lot of impacts not all of which may be welcome.

Great analysis!

Wouldn't large lakes also give rise to a lot of clouds, which would deflect the sun radiation? That would maybe keep the temperatures cooler than what it is today. Kind of compensating for the humidity which is caused?

Personally I am very intrigued by a terraforming of this magnitude. However, all the pros and cons have to be carefully taken into considerstion. Also it would be nice if a feasibility study would be done so that we could know what the price range could be.

 

[Arminkh]

Great analysis!

Wouldn't large lakes also give rise to a lot of clouds, which would deflect the sun radiation? That would maybe keep the temperatures cooler than what it is today. Kind of compensating for the humidity which is caused?

Personally I am very intrigued by a terraforming of this magnitude. However, all the pros and cons have to be carefully taken into considerstion. Also it would be nice if a feasibility study would be done so that we could know what the price range could be.

Thanks.

The problem is that the clouds only form when the vapor cools down which is not going to happen in Iran. General direction of the wind is from west to east and we don't have tall mountains on the east side of Iran so possibly all those vapors will turn into cloud and rain in Afghanistan or Pakistan.

What I said doesn't necessarily mean Iran becomes warmer. It means it will have more temperate climate (i.e. cooler summers and warmer winters).

A better idea may be to revive Uromieh Lake if we like to built lakes using water imported from Caspian sea. It can act as battery as well so that the pumps will pump water up the mountains in day time when there is not much electrical use and then at night, the water can flow down and generate electricity when the demand is high (like Siahbishe project near Chaloos road)