Russia, India to sell jointly made Ka-226Ts internationally

[mkb95]

Moscow and New Delhi will offer Ka-226T light utility multirole helicopters produced in India, within the framework of a joint venture, for sale on the international markets, the head of the International Cooperation Department of Russian state technology corporation Rostec said Friday.

On Thursday, Russian Helicopters, which is part of the Rostec umbrella organization, reported that Russia and India had commenced a joint project to produce about 200 Ka-226T helicopters.

"The joint agreement reads that the line will produce no less than 200 choppers. This means that 200 is a confirmed government order. We will definitely be looking at other civilian orders and international markets as well," Viktor Kladov said as quoted by India's The Economic Times newspaper.

Kladov added that the helicopters could be used for a wide range of roles, including rescue missions.

Introduced in 2002, the Ka-226 series of helicopters are designed by the Kamov Design Bureau, part of the Russian Helicopters company. The Ka-226T model is fitted with updated navigation and automatic control equipment, as well as an interchangeable mission pod, which allows for flexible equipment configurations.
source- http://in.rbth.com/economics/defenc...-jointly-made-ka-226ts-internationally_563353

 

[[Bregs]]

First make this helicopters urgently for india to replace antique cheetahs

 

[Abingdonboy]

Moscow and New Delhi will offer Ka-226T light utility multirole helicopters produced in India, within the framework of a joint venture, for sale on the international markets, the head of the International Cooperation Department of Russian state technology corporation Rostec said Friday.

On Thursday, Russian Helicopters, which is part of the Rostec umbrella organization, reported that Russia and India had commenced a joint project to produce about 200 Ka-226T helicopters.

"The joint agreement reads that the line will produce no less than 200 choppers. This means that 200 is a confirmed government order. We will definitely be looking at other civilian orders and international markets as well," Viktor Kladov said as quoted by India's The Economic Times newspaper.

Kladov added that the helicopters could be used for a wide range of roles, including rescue missions.

Introduced in 2002, the Ka-226 series of helicopters are designed by the Kamov Design Bureau, part of the Russian Helicopters company. The Ka-226T model is fitted with updated navigation and automatic control equipment, as well as an interchangeable mission pod, which allows for flexible equipment configurations.
source- http://in.rbth.com/economics/defenc...-jointly-made-ka-226ts-internationally_563353

Can someone explain to me just what exactly the GoI is thinking with this deal?? Not only did they select the losing contender in the orginal RSH deal but they have nominated HAL as the lead Indian partner to produce the Ka-226T in India whilst HAL itself is working on its own LUH for the Indian armed forces, both looking to meet the 400 LUH requirement of the IA/IAF. However, there will be follow-on orders made for sure and thus the Ka-226T and LUH are CLEAR competitors- every success for the LUH will come at the cost of success for the Ka-226T and vice versa. It is a obvious conflict of interests for HAL and I don't know how this model looks feasible to the MoD/GoI- it will be only logical that HAL backs its in-house product but the last thing you want is this translating to sub-par work on the Ka-226T. I'm not saying they'd sabotage it- not at all, but clearly if their entire focus isn't on the Ka-226T and they know that it is a competitor to their own product then they clearly won't put their all behind the Ka-226T production.


The work on the Ka-226T deal is going so spectacuarly slowly that I think the first Ka-226T could beat the LUH into Indian service by a matter of months so there isn't an argument really that the GoI is looking to meet the urgent requirements of the armed forces.

Other than being a small (very small in the grand scheme of things) "lollipop" to Russia, there seems to be little logic behind the deal and, in fact, it seems counter-productive in a lot of ways.


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[Blue Marlin]

Can someone explain to me just what exactly the GoI is thinking with this deal?? Not only did they select the losing contender in the orginal RSH deal but they have nominated HAL as the lead Indian partner to produce the Ka-226T in India whilst HAL itself is working on its own LUH for the Indian armed forces, both looking to meet the 400 LUH requirement of the IA/IAF. However, there will be follow-on orders made for sure and thus the Ka-226T and LUH are CLEAR competitors- every success for the LUH will come at the cost of success for the Ka-226T and vice versa. It is a obvious conflict of interests for HAL and I don't know how this model looks feasible to the MoD/GoI- it will be only logical that HAL backs its in-house product but the last thing you want is this translating to sub-par work on the Ka-226T. I'm not saying they'd sabotage it- not at all, but clearly if their entire focus isn't on the Ka-226T and they know that it is a competitor to their own product then they clearly won't put their all behind the Ka-226T production.


The work on the Ka-226T deal is going so spectacuarly slowly that I think the first Ka-226T could beat the LUH into Indian service by a matter of months so there isn't an argument really that the GoI is looking to meet the urgent requirements of the armed forces.

Other than being a small (very small in the grand scheme of things) "lollipop" to Russia, there seems to be little logic behind the deal and, in fact, it seems counter-productive in a lot of ways.

i belev russia had choosen hal as the indian contractor. this is due to it's ability to build helicopters. i too am suprised by this development too, i thought the private sector would snap this up

 

[Abingdonboy]

i belev russia had choosen hal as the indian contractor. this is due to it's ability to build helicopters. i too am suprised by this development too, i thought the private sector would snap this up

Well no private players really have tie ups/JVs with Kamov/Russian helicopters. TATA has ongoing relations with Sikorsky, Bell and Boeing and Mahindra has a JV with Airbus Military. Considering this is a government to government deal I guess Kamov chose the safe bet in HAL but it still seems like a very counter productive move and I expect there will be tears down the line.

The Ka-226T will be the most likely casualty.

 

[anant_s]

Can someone explain to me just what exactly the GoI is thinking with this deal?? Not only did they select the losing contender in the orginal RSH deal but they have nominated HAL as the lead Indian partner to produce the Ka-226T in India whilst HAL itself is working on its own LUH for the Indian armed forces, both looking to meet the 400 LUH requirement of the IA/IAF. However, there will be follow-on orders made for sure and thus the Ka-226T and LUH are CLEAR competitors- every success for the LUH will come at the cost of success for the Ka-226T and vice versa. It is a obvious conflict of interests for HAL and I don't know how this model looks feasible to the MoD/GoI- it will be only logical that HAL backs its in-house product but the last thing you want is this translating to sub-par work on the Ka-226T. I'm not saying they'd sabotage it- not at all, but clearly if their entire focus isn't on the Ka-226T and they know that it is a competitor to their own product then they clearly won't put their all behind the Ka-226T production.


The work on the Ka-226T deal is going so spectacuarly slowly that I think the first Ka-226T could beat the LUH into Indian service by a matter of months so there isn't an argument really that the GoI is looking to meet the urgent requirements of the armed forces.

Other than being a small (very small in the grand scheme of things) "lollipop" to Russia, there seems to be little logic behind the deal and, in fact, it seems counter-productive in a lot of ways.


@PARIKRAMA @Levina @ni8mare @hellfire @Echo_419 @ranjeet @Star Wars @JanjaWeed @nair @Taygibay @SpArK @acetophenol @Parul @Koovie @anant_s @Nilgiri

Obviously an utterly confusing scenario. For years armed forces have been pleading with its case for LUH and now when Ka226T has been selected, it now runs into MII requirements, which as already discussed will be a tough proposition for Russia to comply given the numbers and third party involvement.

I suppose a better thing would've been to tell HAL to come up with a product quickly and till the time buy Ka 226T in small batches (say 50 each time) made entirely in Russia. If HAL kept its promise, we could've stopped there and could go for domestic product, if not continue further. This is similar to what is happening on Basic Trainer front (Pilatus vs HTT40).
I think in whole scenario, it is important to keep interests and requirements of armed forces above everything else.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Well no private players really have tie ups/JVs with Kamov/Russian helicopters. TATA has ongoing relations with Sikorsky, Bell and Boeing and Mahindra has a JV with Airbus Military. Considering this is a government to government deal I guess Kamov chose the safe bet in HAL but it still seems like a very counter productive move and I expect there will be tears down the line.

The Ka-226T will be the most likely casualty.

Nope- LUH will be the most likely casuality. HAL cares two hoots about whether it's own designs sell, it just wants to corner all the government contracts.

 

[ni8mare]

The work on the Ka-226T deal is going so spectacuarly slowly that I think the first Ka-226T could beat the LUH into Indian service by a matter of months so there isn't an argument really that the GoI is looking to meet the urgent requirements of the armed forces.

These scenario is somewhat true .............in which case making two parallel shops and manufacturing 36/40 LUH per shops would have been better in terms of commonality and logistics............now I think Ka226T will have some kind of saga

 

[Nilgiri]

Can someone explain to me just what exactly the GoI is thinking with this deal?? Not only did they select the losing contender in the orginal RSH deal but they have nominated HAL as the lead Indian partner to produce the Ka-226T in India whilst HAL itself is working on its own LUH for the Indian armed forces, both looking to meet the 400 LUH requirement of the IA/IAF. However, there will be follow-on orders made for sure and thus the Ka-226T and LUH are CLEAR competitors- every success for the LUH will come at the cost of success for the Ka-226T and vice versa. It is a obvious conflict of interests for HAL and I don't know how this model looks feasible to the MoD/GoI- it will be only logical that HAL backs its in-house product but the last thing you want is this translating to sub-par work on the Ka-226T. I'm not saying they'd sabotage it- not at all, but clearly if their entire focus isn't on the Ka-226T and they know that it is a competitor to their own product then they clearly won't put their all behind the Ka-226T production.


The work on the Ka-226T deal is going so spectacuarly slowly that I think the first Ka-226T could beat the LUH into Indian service by a matter of months so there isn't an argument really that the GoI is looking to meet the urgent requirements of the armed forces.

Other than being a small (very small in the grand scheme of things) "lollipop" to Russia, there seems to be little logic behind the deal and, in fact, it seems counter-productive in a lot of ways.


@PARIKRAMA @Levina @ni8mare @hellfire @Echo_419 @ranjeet @Star Wars @JanjaWeed @nair @Taygibay @SpArK @acetophenol @Parul @Koovie @anant_s @Nilgiri

India and Modi specifically seem to be in the business of keeping absolutely everyone as happy as possible.....without summing up effectiveness.

The only reason HAL is around in production role.

If Tejas is also given 100% to them to produce....this govt is little better than previous one.

 

[desimorty]

I suppose a better thing would've been to tell HAL to come up with a product quickly and till the time buy Ka 226T in small batches (say 50 each time) made entirely in Russia. If HAL kept its promise, we could've stopped there and could go for domestic product, if not continue further. This is similar to what is happening on Basic Trainer front (Pilatus vs HTT40).
I think in whole scenario, it is important to keep interests and requirements of armed forces above everything else.

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/russia-i...a-226ts-internationally.419939/#ixzz3yqpHbmVr

WTF. Don't you see the bigger picture? How much was allocated for the LUH? They had always intended on the Ka-226t since its maturity. The LUH would be Indias design but the Ka-226T would be more than 50% Indian even, engine IMO as the design is Russian. Its the best design for LUH.

 

[Oracle 33]

This is a good deal the helicopters are fantastic and well priced so exporting is a real option. Russia must be rewarded also and we can't give all defence deals to USA and Europe!

Russia always stood by us and the Russians are pissed at India for a good reason which I can't speak about but Indian defence officials are idiots at times!

 

[Dandpatta]

WOuld have preferred Bell Huey choppers instead of this trash

 

[ni8mare]

WOuld have preferred Bell Huey choppers instead of this trash

First understand the role ........Bell Huey is not a LOH or LUH

 

[Oracle 33]

WOuld have preferred Bell Huey choppers instead of this trash

Calling Russian helicopters trash is unwise they have a good expertise in this industry.

 

[Pulsar]

i belev russia had choosen hal as the indian contractor. this is due to it's ability to build helicopters. i too am suprised by this development too, i thought the private sector would snap this up

HAL has its hands full what with the manufacture of Migs, SUs, Tejas, Choppers, Hawks, AJTs etc etc. They will need to outsource to private manufacturers.