What's new

RUSSIA IN SHAMBLES: USS Gerald R. Ford's (CVN 78) steams through the Atlantic Ocean (Receives 541,000 Pounds of Ordnance)

Just about every army, navy, or air force platform we make new has something no one done before, meanwhile, your China struggles with everything we done. The Ford's EMALS have made 8000+ launches and did it at sea. The Ford is more advanced than what are in your docks. The crew is more knowledgeable and better trained because they have decades of predecessors guiding them. You got ONE dinky USED carrier and you think you know better. :rolleyes:
Lol... Surely u make 8000 launches with EMAL at expense of 3000 repairs also. It well documents the emal at Gerald Ford is unreliable.

Do science ,physics and theory got to do with sailor experiment at sea? The Chinese make a reliable EMAL that don't breaks down as often as yours. Nothing to do with experience. More to do with Chinese scientist better grasp of electronic and physics than yours. :enjoy:
 
Maybe yours is the broken one since that is why it isn't on your #2 carrier. You have to use a silly kid's bunny slope. :lol:

38227.jpg

Hey guess when was the last time the US had to use a bunny slope on a carrier to get our planes off the deck...answer NEVER. LOL! :lol:
what's the problem with slope if it work ?
 
Although it isn't any laughing matter, but it gives me great satisfaction in knowing that America is on its way down. It doesn't matter how hard they try, they will loose against Russia.

You mean Russia would pull USA on its low level of existence? I doubt that
 
Lol... Surely u make 8000 launches with EMAL at expense of 3000 repairs also. It well documents the emal at Gerald Ford is unreliable.

Do science ,physics and theory got to do with sailor experiment at sea? The Chinese make a reliable EMAL that don't breaks down as often as yours. Nothing to do with experience. More to do with Chinese scientist better grasp of electronic and physics than yours. :enjoy:


Uh huh...and we installed ours on the Ford before 2017...and what have you been doing with yours for the last 6 plus years? Happily dancing on it that it works fine...but not fine enough to actually put it on carrier #2...so you added a bunny slope instead.:enjoy:

what's the problem with slope if it work ?

To launch the craft they have to use up alot of fuel and it can't be weighted down with a full weapons load or it may not make it off the deck.

So this limits the effectiveness of the aircraft severely.

With a catapult they just calculate the takeoff speed needed with all the weapons weight and calibrate the launcher to get the plane to that speed.

But Beast thinks their catapult technology is fine. They decided not to put it on their #2 carrier because apparently it isn't a very important feature of a carrier...:rolleyes1:
 
Last edited:
The post would make little more sense if you used an unit understood by normal humans. I have never used 'pounds' in my entire life, SI units are being used for a reason. Unless you fantasise about returning to middle ages, better use SI units.
It's simple. Americans convert to SI units in their heads if they are dealing with ignorant foreigners. Use the following equation:

Weight, W, in pounds, is ~ (W x 0.4 + W x 0.05+ W x 0.003 + W x 0.0005+ W x 0.00009+ W x 0.000002+ W x 0.0000003+ W x 0.00000007) kg.

Of course, if it is the mass you are considering, then use this equation instead:

Mass, M, in slugs, is ~ (M x 14 + M x 0.5 + M x 0.09 + M x 0.003+ M x 0.0009) kg.

Anyway, no need to fantasize about returning to the middle ages. SI units will become obsolete as soon as communication with extraterrestrials is established. Until then, God-given English units are just as good as an eighteenth century revolutionary French paean to l'homme ordinaire.
 
what's the problem with slope if it work ?
The words 'problem' and 'issue' are often interchangeably used even though they have different contexts. So am trying to be fair. There are no problems with the jump deck method to launch airplanes. However, there are major ISSUES that translates to tactical limitations.

Airplanes needs aerodynamic forces over their flight controls surfaces to take flight, we all know that. Ideally, the airplane would stand still and let wind speed of a couple hundreds km/h lift them off the ground and this would make zero runway length, but this ideal situation could never happen unless God intervenes.

So we use the next best method: propulsion + runway. Propulsion move the airplane down the runway which would create those required aerodynamic forces over its flight controls surfaces. Now comes the tricky parts. The quicker the airplane gain speed, the shorter the runway used, which mean the sooner it is airborne.

The first issue is weight, specifically additional weight like pilot(s) and other stuff. We call them 'load'. The greater the load, or the higher the weight, the greater the propulsion force and longer runway required.

The second issue is runway length, or that we cannot have unlimited runway, not even on land. Runway requires even terrain. First, we look for real estate that is fairly flat, then we build the runway on top to be flat enough. So even though we can build a flat runway, we still want terrain that are initially flat enough for us to make an airbase. The result is that we cannot have unlimited runway.

Now we combine the two issues together.

A fixed runway length must service multiple types of airplanes. That mean the pilots of these different airplanes must know how to takeoff with different loads within a limited runway length. Usually, most runways are of sufficient length to handle most airplanes. And that all airplanes have sufficient propulsion power to handle different loads. So on land, the 'propulsion + runway' issues are %99.999 no problemo.

But at sea, the 'propulsion + runway' issues are %100 major problemo.

Using the Nimitz class aircraft carrier as reference. The ship is 1,000 ft long but the runway is only 300 ft long. Or 1/3 the ship's deck length.

mklGnYy.jpg


We can see the four catapults and their runways above. Each catapult launch length is roughly 1/3 of the ship's deck.

Can any fighter takeoff ON ITS OWN POWER within that 300 ft? Yes, but its load will be so small that the fighter might as well tactically useless. Or not so good in combat. It will have to balance fuel versus weapons in the total takeoff load calculus, meaning more fuel to have range mean less weapons, or more weapons means less fuel. Adding the jump deck give the airplane some additional aerodynamics forces at the end when the airplane leave the deck, but the 'propulsion + runway' issues still affects that fuel vs weapons calculus.

The power of the catapult plus the airplane's own propulsion create those aerodynamics forces in 300 ft similar to that of the land runway of 2,500 ft. This combined power allows any airplane to takeoff with its desired combat load of fuel and weapons. In other words, no compromises. Not only that, the catapult system can recalibrate its launch or 'pull' force to accommodate a greater variety of platforms. The jump deck cannot do that. The weapons load difference between the catapult and jump deck can be as much as %50 for the same airplane.

The US tested the jump deck method and decided to hate it.


The US is committed to the catapult whether it is the tried-and-trued steam powered or the latest electromagnetic method. We are committed because we want our fighters to fight with everything the jets are capable of carrying, and that commitment paid off since WW II. Every country that even THOUGHT about taking on the US Navy thought again and backed off because they knew they would face the full (not half) wrath of the F-14 or F-18 or A-6. No one can operate the aircraft carrier like we do.

All the chatter from the PDF Chinese camp about how much problems the US have with our EMALS are just childish petty jealousy. The US Navy is the biggest dick on the oceans. :enjoy:
 
The words 'problem' and 'issue' are often interchangeably used even though they have different contexts. So am trying to be fair. There are no problems with the jump deck method to launch airplanes. However, there are major ISSUES that translates to tactical limitations.

Airplanes needs aerodynamic forces over their flight controls surfaces to take flight, we all know that. Ideally, the airplane would stand still and let wind speed of a couple hundreds km/h lift them off the ground and this would make zero runway length, but this ideal situation could never happen unless God intervenes.

So we use the next best method: propulsion + runway. Propulsion move the airplane down the runway which would create those required aerodynamic forces over its flight controls surfaces. Now comes the tricky parts. The quicker the airplane gain speed, the shorter the runway used, which mean the sooner it is airborne.

The first issue is weight, specifically additional weight like pilot(s) and other stuff. We call them 'load'. The greater the load, or the higher the weight, the greater the propulsion force and longer runway required.

The second issue is runway length, or that we cannot have unlimited runway, not even on land. Runway requires even terrain. First, we look for real estate that is fairly flat, then we build the runway on top to be flat enough. So even though we can build a flat runway, we still want terrain that are initially flat enough for us to make an airbase. The result is that we cannot have unlimited runway.

Now we combine the two issues together.

A fixed runway length must service multiple types of airplanes. That mean the pilots of these different airplanes must know how to takeoff with different loads within a limited runway length. Usually, most runways are of sufficient length to handle most airplanes. And that all airplanes have sufficient propulsion power to handle different loads. So on land, the 'propulsion + runway' issues are %99.999 no problemo.

But at sea, the 'propulsion + runway' issues are %100 major problemo.

Using the Nimitz class aircraft carrier as reference. The ship is 1,000 ft long but the runway is only 300 ft long. Or 1/3 the ship's deck length.

mklGnYy.jpg


We can see the four catapults and their runways above. Each catapult launch length is roughly 1/3 of the ship's deck.

Can any fighter takeoff ON ITS OWN POWER within that 300 ft? Yes, but its load will be so small that the fighter might as well tactically useless. Or not so good in combat. It will have to balance fuel versus weapons in the total takeoff load calculus, meaning more fuel to have range mean less weapons, or more weapons means less fuel. Adding the jump deck give the airplane some additional aerodynamics forces at the end when the airplane leave the deck, but the 'propulsion + runway' issues still affects that fuel vs weapons calculus.

The power of the catapult plus the airplane's own propulsion create those aerodynamics forces in 300 ft similar to that of the land runway of 2,500 ft. This combined power allows any airplane to takeoff with its desired combat load of fuel and weapons. In other words, no compromises. Not only that, the catapult system can recalibrate its launch or 'pull' force to accommodate a greater variety of platforms. The jump deck cannot do that. The weapons load difference between the catapult and jump deck can be as much as %50 for the same airplane.

The US tested the jump deck method and decided to hate it.


The US is committed to the catapult whether it is the tried-and-trued steam powered or the latest electromagnetic method. We are committed because we want our fighters to fight with everything the jets are capable of carrying, and that commitment paid off since WW II. Every country that even THOUGHT about taking on the US Navy thought again and backed off because they knew they would face the full (not half) wrath of the F-14 or F-18 or A-6. No one can operate the aircraft carrier like we do.

All the chatter from the PDF Chinese camp about how much problems the US have with our EMALS are just childish petty jealousy. The US Navy is the biggest dick on the oceans. :enjoy:
a question . is that half load problem partly because the airplanes first designed for air force and then converted for navy
 
a question . is that half load problem partly because the airplanes first designed for air force and then converted for navy
No, it is not from that conversion.

The F-4 was originally designed for the US Navy and eventually all services flew it. If an F-4 was assigned to a carrier with a jump deck, it will have to launch with a lesser takeoff load, fuel + weapons, than if it launched from a land runway or catapulted off the deck.
 

Uh huh...and we installed ours on the Ford before 2017...and what have you been doing with yours for the last 6 plus years? Happily dancing on it that it works fine...but not fine enough to actually put it on carrier #2...so you added a bunny slope instead.:enjoy:



To launch the craft they have to use up alot of fuel and it can't be weighted down with a full weapons load or it may not make it off the deck.

So this limits the effectiveness of the aircraft severely.

With a catapult they just calculate the takeoff speed needed with all the weapons weight and calibrate the launcher to get the plane to that speed.

But Beast thinks their catapult technology is fine. They decided not to put it on their #2 carrier because apparently it isn't a very important feature of a carrier...:rolleyes1:
You put a turd and as if it can claim as working? Lol.. it just like claiming electric car already exist in the 1913 and what electric car doing now is not much different..
 
Isnt this the turd which electric catapult that will break down just after 3 launches? :lol:

And I am not trolling..

Lol this system has launched 170 jets into the air within 8.5 hours.
 
The words 'problem' and 'issue' are often interchangeably used even though they have different contexts. So am trying to be fair. There are no problems with the jump deck method to launch airplanes. However, there are major ISSUES that translates to tactical limitations.

Airplanes needs aerodynamic forces over their flight controls surfaces to take flight, we all know that. Ideally, the airplane would stand still and let wind speed of a couple hundreds km/h lift them off the ground and this would make zero runway length, but this ideal situation could never happen unless God intervenes.

So we use the next best method: propulsion + runway. Propulsion move the airplane down the runway which would create those required aerodynamic forces over its flight controls surfaces. Now comes the tricky parts. The quicker the airplane gain speed, the shorter the runway used, which mean the sooner it is airborne.

The first issue is weight, specifically additional weight like pilot(s) and other stuff. We call them 'load'. The greater the load, or the higher the weight, the greater the propulsion force and longer runway required.

The second issue is runway length, or that we cannot have unlimited runway, not even on land. Runway requires even terrain. First, we look for real estate that is fairly flat, then we build the runway on top to be flat enough. So even though we can build a flat runway, we still want terrain that are initially flat enough for us to make an airbase. The result is that we cannot have unlimited runway.

Now we combine the two issues together.

A fixed runway length must service multiple types of airplanes. That mean the pilots of these different airplanes must know how to takeoff with different loads within a limited runway length. Usually, most runways are of sufficient length to handle most airplanes. And that all airplanes have sufficient propulsion power to handle different loads. So on land, the 'propulsion + runway' issues are %99.999 no problemo.

But at sea, the 'propulsion + runway' issues are %100 major problemo.

Using the Nimitz class aircraft carrier as reference. The ship is 1,000 ft long but the runway is only 300 ft long. Or 1/3 the ship's deck length.

mklGnYy.jpg


We can see the four catapults and their runways above. Each catapult launch length is roughly 1/3 of the ship's deck.

Can any fighter takeoff ON ITS OWN POWER within that 300 ft? Yes, but its load will be so small that the fighter might as well tactically useless. Or not so good in combat. It will have to balance fuel versus weapons in the total takeoff load calculus, meaning more fuel to have range mean less weapons, or more weapons means less fuel. Adding the jump deck give the airplane some additional aerodynamics forces at the end when the airplane leave the deck, but the 'propulsion + runway' issues still affects that fuel vs weapons calculus.

The power of the catapult plus the airplane's own propulsion create those aerodynamics forces in 300 ft similar to that of the land runway of 2,500 ft. This combined power allows any airplane to takeoff with its desired combat load of fuel and weapons. In other words, no compromises. Not only that, the catapult system can recalibrate its launch or 'pull' force to accommodate a greater variety of platforms. The jump deck cannot do that. The weapons load difference between the catapult and jump deck can be as much as %50 for the same airplane.

The US tested the jump deck method and decided to hate it.


The US is committed to the catapult whether it is the tried-and-trued steam powered or the latest electromagnetic method. We are committed because we want our fighters to fight with everything the jets are capable of carrying, and that commitment paid off since WW II. Every country that even THOUGHT about taking on the US Navy thought again and backed off because they knew they would face the full (not half) wrath of the F-14 or F-18 or A-6. No one can operate the aircraft carrier like we do.

All the chatter from the PDF Chinese camp about how much problems the US have with our EMALS are just childish petty jealousy. The US Navy is the biggest dick on the oceans. :enjoy:
Nothing to do with jealousy but facts presented. Isn't the problem of Gerald Ford EMAL well documented? Introducing new technology is one thing. The operation need for it is another thing.


You just can't for the sake of trying out new tech and hamper the operational need of the military. USS Zumalt is a good example how not to waste military expenditure.

And we have US fanboy desperate to hide the deficiency and problem of US EMAL.
 
You mean with a ski-jump system? No way. Not nearly max payload.
Yes, it can. Both Russian and Chinese verify that. They operate those and they have the data. But your max payload aircraft airborne will be limited becos out of 3 aircraft launch, only 1 will be max payload.

Jump ski has the advantage of no failure, simplicity and low cost but it's a temporary solution only. Type 003 will be launch soon.
 
Back
Top Bottom