Russia hints at unease with India

[thestringshredder]

Indicating unease over India's growing closeness with the US, Russia today said it does not "feel comfortable" at being put on the same plane as New Delhi's "newly-acquired partners" who had earlier imposed sanctions on this country.

Russian Ambassador Alexander M Kadakin reminded how his country had always stood by India as the closest friend and underlined that the two countries are in "greater need of each other" in the "strikingly new world".

Maintaining that "our relations are special after all", he said at an event here that, "We sincerely regard India as our closest and best friend".

He talked about what Russia has done for India, saying "Hardly will you name another country which would have twice suppled nuclear fuel for Tarapur against the backdrop of rigid sanctions, would have leased nuclear submarines or offered unique defense technologies for BrahMos world's best cruise missiles or the fifth-generation aircraft."

Summing up this as "the gist of our strategic relationship", Kadakin said, "Yes, it is also the reason why Russia does not exactly feel comfortable when attempts are made to put us on the same shelf with others as regards opportunities for future contracts and tenders under the guise of equal chances for all including several newly-acquired partners or contract-seekers who had clamped sanctions against India."

He did not name any country but was clearly referring to the US which had imposed sanctions on India after the nuclear tests of 1974 as also 1998.

However, India's engagement with the US has recently seen a significant growth with the two countries signing the landmark civil nuclear deal and the purchases of defence hardware from the US growing.

The Ambassador was speaking at his public reception organised by Delhi Study Group to celebrate his completion of 25 years as a diplomat in India.

Link - Russia hints at unease with India - Indian Express

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

This is partially true,russia alone supplies absolutely high tech stuff others won't like 5th gen fighter,nuke sub.On the other hand they shouldn't delay orders or make maintainence problems.I think we both need to try little harder.

 

[madooxno9]

Indeed Russia has been the best and longest serving partner and a friend . But by no means any other nation can take that special place. Even if US is willing to take that place , we must be very cautious as they have betrayed many. I remember how Pakistan once was can a state of America and we all can see what they are up to now.

 

[BDforever]

This is partially true,russia alone supplies absolutely high tech stuff others won't like 5th gen fighter,nuke sub.On the other hand they shouldn't delay orders or make maintainence problems.I think we both need to try little harder.

interms of order and maintenance , russia seriously sucks

in $1.5 billion agreement , russia suppose to deliver yak 130 early next year. Now i heard that russia would not be able to give not even half squadron (8 units) yak 130 before 2015 (part of 24 yak130)

 

[Abingdonboy]

wah wah wah grow up men! This is business. You (Russia) have failed time and time again to look after your Indian customers with spares and support, you have taken them for a ride with serious cost escalations associated with almost every single defence sale to India and then to add a little cherry on top you screw them with delay after effing delay!


It is no wonder after seeing the West deliver on time and on budget- under budget in fact, that India has seriously looked elsewhere and moved away from Russia. Now it is just pathetic that you guys can't win in fair and open tenders on merit and don't operate the same monopoly on the Indian defence market as you once did so you ****** and moan claiming it is all so unfair because you aren't winning anything!

Guys- if you made a better offer you wouldn't be losing all the time.


Of course India will stick with you guys for the strategic and major stuff like SSNs and 5th gen fighters though.


And what's the big problem? Are the Mig-29K, KA-31,MI-17-V5, T-90, Viky, Talwars, Akula(s), MTA, FGFA/5th gen fighter etc etc not enough to keep you satisfied? This alone is a kitty of >$45-50 BILLION USD in the short term.


Seriously grow up.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

interms of order and maintenance , russia seriously sucks

in $1.5 billion agreement , russia suppose to deliver yak 130 early next year. Now i heard that russia would not be able to give not even half squadron (8 units) yak 130 before 2015 (part of 24 yak130)

Getting a taste of 'from russia with love',mate?Just ask the navy on vikramaditya and army on t-90 tanks support.
Contrary americans amy be unrelaible politically but operationally superb efficiency.C-130 arrived before schedule.P-81I 2 months before schedule.c-17 globemaster on schedule.I almost couldn't believe speed of induction....i thought we would see thse around 2015.But all will be inducted within 2014.But on the other hand russian stuff is cheaper and good options for nations with cash crunch l;ike bangladesh.Thye may have maintainnce and spares issue but as platforms are very rugged.

 

[BDforever]

Getting a taste of 'from russia with love',mate?Just ask the navy on vikramaditya and army on t-90 tanks support.
Contrary americans amy be unrelaible politically but operationally superb efficiency.C-130 arrived before schedule.P-81I 2 months before schedule.c-17 globemaster on schedule.I almost couldn't believe speed of induction....i thought we would see thse around 2015.But all will be inducted within 2014.But on the other hand russian stuff is cheaper and good options for nations with cash crunch l;ike bangladesh.Thye may have maintainnce and spares issue but as platforms are very rugged.

do you have any idea what is wrong with russia ? i mean why russia does act like that ?

anyway BD probably started by passing Russia by replacing with Serbia ( there is a news BD is buying APC from serbia)

 

[livingdead]

do you have any idea what is wrong with russia ? i mean why russia does act like that ?

anyway BD probably started by passing Russia by replacing with Serbia ( there is a news BD is buying APC from serbia)

they dont act inefficient, they are inefficient... not talking about quality of hardware ...rather their industrial process...

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

They have a lack of numbers of skilled personnel,many left after breakup of soviet union and they are only slowly recovering from that.Many of the support tools industries of russian equipment were in ex soviet areas like ukraine and georgia,russia no longer controls these industrial plants.They haven't been able to build up all the support industries in russia with limited funds though with better economy they will get better.

 

[EXPERIMENT]

wah wah wah grow up men! This is business. You (Russia) have failed time and time again to look after your Indian customers with spares and support, you have taken them for a ride with serious cost escalations associated with almost every single defence sale to India and then to add a little cherry on top you screw them with delay after effing delay!


It is no wonder after seeing the West deliver on time and on budget- under budget in fact, that India has seriously looked elsewhere and moved away from Russia. Now it is just pathetic that you guys can't win in fair and open tenders on merit and don't operate the same monopoly on the Indian defence market as you once did so you ****** and moan claiming it is all so unfair because you aren't winning anything!

Guys- if you made a better offer you wouldn't be losing all the time.


Of course India will stick with you guys for the strategic and major stuff like SSNs and 5th gen fighters though.


And what's the big problem? Are the Mig-29K, KA-31,MI-17-V5, T-90, Viky, Talwars, Akula(s), MTA, FGFA/5th gen fighter etc etc not enough to keep you satisfied? This alone is a kitty of >$45-50 BILLION USD in the short term.


Seriously grow up.

You my friend state correctly in terms of tactics. On a Russian point of view remember their country got reduced on a massive scale and their wealth got devalued by huge amounts. We as Indians have over paid them on a big scale for hardware and tech, however it is deliberate.
Russia is our friend and simply: A friend in need is a friend indeed.

 

[Abingdonboy]

do you have any idea what is wrong with russia ? i mean why russia does act like that ?

anyway BD probably started by passing Russia by replacing with Serbia ( there is a news BD is buying APC from serbia)

After the collapse of the USSR the Russian arms Industry was utterly decimated- orders from the Russian forces ceased overnight and the industry just imploded. it has only been in the last decade or so that they have started to get back on their feet and build capcity back into their industry and this is where much of the revenue from orders goes- building industrial capacity. For example, the Indian Navy's order for 6 Talwar class stealth frigates effectively funded a complete upgrade of the Yantar shipyard in Russia and took it from its dilapidated state into a fully functioning modern ship yard with significant capcity- of course this came at a cost to INDIA- $100 MN USD cost ovveruns and many months of delays!!

But on the other hand russian stuff is cheaper and good options for nations with cash crunch l;ike bangladesh.Thye may have maintainnce and spares issue but as platforms are very rugged.

Unit costs are cheaper but life-cycle costs of Western products is,more often than not, signifcanlty cheaper than their Russian counterparts and this is where the real savings are made long-term. IIRC to support a major system like a fighter or transport costs 2-3 times the intial unit cost over the product's entire life span, in some cases with the Russian equipment it was 4-6 times more!! Not to mention that during the life span of Russian products they will, again on the whole, spend more time in maintenance and unserviceable than their Western counterparts so it is the worst of both worlds! IIRC LM promised the IAF 85-90% avalibiltiy on their C-130J-30s and the beasts have matched this if not bettered it- this has blown the IAF away and these are figures the Russians could only dream of.

 

[anant_s]

There is one thing that separates Russians and their Western Counterparts: Respect for the Commitment

Soviets while being good friends have been notorious as far as supply schedules are concerned and this has pissed off several customers (us included). Till they get their act together it is quite like more orders are going to slip away from them.

 

[third eye]

There is no denying the fact that Russia ( the inheritor of USSR) has stood by India through thick & thin and helped when no one did.

India today is largely what it is due to russian help.

However, we need to respect each other for what we are. The AC carrier in itself is a Case Study in what not to do.

Trade now is not like the old days when Panama Cigarettes were exchanged for goods. Now when its cash & carry one expects service to match.

 

[faithfulguy]

Soon, it will be time for India to dump Russia. If India wants to advance beyond socialism and communal violence, it need to be closer to the US. Inevitably, it would mean distance itself from Russia.

 

[kurup]

Soon, it will be time for India to dump Russia. If India wants to advance beyond socialism and communal violence, it need to be closer to the US. Inevitably, it would mean distance itself from Russia.

What has military relationship got to do with socialism and communal violence ??