Russia has got 200bil$ foreign debt!

[TruthSeeker]

But do you not think that the relative difference in power between Taiwan and China makes it impossible for the Taiwanese to keep their freedom even if they earnestly fight for it? Or do you think those who are not strong enough to protect their freedom do not deserve it in the first place?

The tremendous mismatch in population and resources between China and Taiwan makes it very, very costly for Taiwan to attempt to fend off an invasion by China. However, because it is an island, Taiwan has a chance to make it's capture extremely costly for the CCP. If Taiwan wants to remain independent of China's CCP then it must devote extraordinary resources to its own defense. Defense budgets of 20% of GDP for example. Huge amounts of surface to air and sea missiles, and so on. I don't think the population of Taiwan wants to make that kind of sacrifice. More likely they will capitulate and the wealthy elites of Taiwan will join the wealthy elites of the CCP.

 

[Wood]

The tremendous mismatch in population and resources between China and Taiwan makes it very, very costly for Taiwan to attempt to fend off an invasion by China. However, because it is an island, Taiwan has a chance to make it's capture extremely costly for the CCP. If Taiwan wants to remain independent of China's CCP then it must devote extraordinary resources to its own defense. Defense budgets of 20% of GDP for example. Huge amounts of surface to air and sea missiles, and so on. I don't think the population of Taiwan wants to make that kind of sacrifice. More likely they will capitulate and the wealthy elites of Taiwan will join the wealthy elites of the CCP.

Yes, they seem to spend only 2% of their GDP on defense. That is shockingly low for the prospect of war that is upon them.

You have a very good point. US should let Taiwan know that their commitment for self defense cannot be taken seriously with such low spend on defense.

 

[nang2]

Yes, they seem to spend only 2% of their GDP on defense. That is shockingly low for the prospect of war that is upon them.

You have a very good point. US should let Taiwan know that their commitment for self defense cannot be taken seriously with such low spend on defense.

Taiwan should just declare neutrality and announce it all over the world. Attacking it by any country will be seen as beating a kid who is no threat to anyone. It doesn't need a strong military to defend itself against China. It only needs sufficient one to deter any attempt of easy victory.

Right now, by implicit alliance with US, it gives China every single reason to invade it.

 

[Wood]

Taiwan should just declare neutrality and announce it all over the world. Attacking it by any country will be seen as beating a kid who is no threat to anyone. It doesn't need a strong military to defend itself against China. It only needs sufficient one to deter any attempt of easy victory.

Right now, by implicit alliance with US, it gives China every single reason to invade it.

I don't think China expects neutrality from Taiwan. CCP wants to rule it without a doubt. Save this psy-ops tactic for some gullible Taiwanese

 

[nang2]

I don't think China expects neutrality from Taiwan. CCP wants to rule it without a doubt. Save this psy-ops tactic for some gullible Taiwanese

The only real defense Taiwanese can really mount is just some psy-ops. The real deterrence is the potential economic damage the rest of the world can inflict on China, not a military one. The most sympathy they can muster from the rest of the world, the more powerful this deterrence is.

 

[Wood]

The only real defense Taiwanese can really mount is just some psy-ops. The real deterrence is the potential economic damage the rest of the world can inflict on China, not a military one. The most sympathy they can muster from the rest of the world, the more powerful this deterrence is.

With their current capabilities, I do not think that Taiwan can resist China's invasion. US citizens would sympathize with Taiwan, but may not go to for it.

But don't try to peddle BS that China will accept neutrality

 

[nang2]

With their current capabilities, I do not think that Taiwan can resist China's invasion. US citizens would sympathize with Taiwan, but may not go to for it.

But don't try to peddle BS that China will accept neutrality

Of course China won't accept it. I never said it would. The purpose is to make Taiwan more loveable than beefier,because no matter how beefier it becomes, it is still a small potato.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Russia will deal with World Bankers after Ukraine

 

[MH.Yang]

With their current capabilities, I do not think that Taiwan can resist China's invasion. US citizens would sympathize with Taiwan, but may not go to for it.

But don't try to peddle BS that China will accept neutrality

If Taiwan declares permanent neutrality and does not exclude Chinese culture on the island, and recognize it as a part of China. We can accept not to rule Taiwan, as long as symbolic rule.
Taiwan can gain more independence than Hong Kong, such as independent judicial and diplomatic rights.

Have you ever thought about why the Chinese government can make Mongolia independent, let badashankh region join Afghanistan and let gorno region join Tajikistan. Only Taiwan independence is not allowed?
Because Taiwan is the traditional territory of the Han people, Taiwan is related to the "法統"&"道統" of the CCP government. This represents the legitimacy of CCP govt in Han culture. "法統"&"道統" are also the reason why successive Han govts are bound to pursue unified China.

Even if the CCP govt only obtains symbolic rule, it is enough to meet its needs.

法統 - 维基百科，自由的百科全书

zh.m.wikipedia.org

道統 - 维基百科，自由的百科全书

zh.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Wood]

If Taiwan declares permanent neutrality and does not exclude Chinese culture on the island, and recognize it as a part of China. We can accept not to rule Taiwan, as long as symbolic rule.
Taiwan can gain more independence than Hong Kong, such as independent judicial and diplomatic rights.

Have you ever thought about why the Chinese government can make Mongolia independent, let badashankh region join Afghanistan and let gorno region join Tajikistan. Only Taiwan independence is not allowed?
Because Taiwan is the traditional territory of the Han people, Taiwan is related to the "法統"&"道統" of the CCP government. This represents the legitimacy of CCP govt in Han culture. "法統"&"道統" are also the reason why successive Han govts are bound to pursue unified China.

Even if the CCP govt only obtains symbolic rule, it is enough to meet its needs.

法統 - 维基百科，自由的百科全书

zh.m.wikipedia.org

道統 - 维基百科，自由的百科全书

zh.m.wikipedia.org

This is a good compromise for the people. If their democratic ways are protected with constitutional guarantees, then it is better. But I think that the Taiwanese side will worry because of what transpired in HK recently.

I hope that the horrors in Ukraine are not repeated anywhere else.

 

[MH.Yang]

This is a good compromise for the people. If their democratic ways are protected with constitutional guarantees, then it is better. But I think that the Taiwanese side will worry because of what transpired in HK recently.

I hope that the horrors in Ukraine are not repeated anywhere else.

But if Taiwan must declare independence, then we would rather fight a nuclear war. Because it is related to the stability of our country. If the Anti China forces want to make China chaotic and poor again, we would rather let the whole western world die with us.


The first reason for the Hong Kong problem is that the mobs supported by the CIA occupy the urban center of Hong Kong, hinder Hong Kong's economic order and promote separatist ideas. British judges and lawyers in Hong Kong support separatists, they ignore the laws of Hong Kong and China, not only do not punish thugs who attack the police and their families, but also punish police agencies and government civil servants. The Chinese govt just took action to eliminate all the judicial organs, media and non-governmental organizations left by the former British colonial government. There was no armed resistance and no casualties. At present, the rights of the Hong Kong govt have not been destroyed, Hong Kong remains the original Hong Kong, only the British forces have been cleaned up.

 

[TruthSeeker]

But if Taiwan must declare independence, then we would rather fight a nuclear war. Because it is related to the stability of our country.

Totally paranoid BS. Fight a nuclear war? Do you have any idea how stupid that would be? Taiwan is a nit to China. Leave them alone, and prosper. Then buy them, lock, stock and barrel.

 

[Wood]

But if Taiwan must declare independence, then we would rather fight a nuclear war. Because it is related to the stability of our country. If the Anti China forces want to make China chaotic and poor again, we would rather let the whole western world die with us.


The first reason for the Hong Kong problem is that the mobs supported by the CIA occupy the urban center of Hong Kong, hinder Hong Kong's economic order and promote separatist ideas. British judges and lawyers in Hong Kong support separatists, they ignore the laws of Hong Kong and China, not only do not punish thugs who attack the police and their families, but also punish police agencies and government civil servants. The Chinese govt just took action to eliminate all the judicial organs, media and non-governmental organizations left by the former British colonial government. There was no armed resistance and no casualties. At present, the rights of the Hong Kong govt have not been destroyed, Hong Kong remains the original Hong Kong, only the British forces have been cleaned up.

This is melodramatic. The western population does not wish poverty and chaos for anyone. This is not how normal people anywhere in the world think or behave

I've not read anywhere that Taiwan wants to proclaim independence, given the problems that it will pose for their security with China. Seems to me like the Taiwanese just want to keep status quo. In west as well, status quo for Taiwan is welcomed with a sigh of relief. But if both parties (Taiwan and China) can agree for some workable framework - it is best case scenario. However, I must point out that the moral compass for what is right and wrong in west may not be the same as what you are accustomed to. For the western population, freedom of thought and choice in politics is fundamental right for humanity. Infringement of this fundamental right is not acceptable for the general population. This may sound like reading a chapter from Captain America comics to you, but it is really what most people in the west think when they are asked to choose right and wrong. There are always exceptions (even in the west) who do not like this ethos, but they are only exceptions and not the norm. So when the western media, its population and politicians clamor about Taiwan's liberty and all - you should try to entertain the notion that mostly it is based on what this culture understands as fundamental rights for humanity.

As for the recent crisis in Honk Kong, I remember reading that Beijing wanted to take more control of the politics in the city earlier than what was promised in the agreement with British. I don't know if CIA was involved. I can only take your accusation as speculative as you have no way to prove it. I do have a close friend at work who is from Honk Kong. At the very least, he is not happy with the measures from Beijing. So I also have that personal anecdote to believe that it is not all run by CIA.

Regardless of this Honk Kong thing, I hope Taiwan is resolved with constitutional agreements. Btw, do you guys have something like a constitution anyway?

 

[MH.Yang]

Totally paranoid BS. Fight a nuclear war? Do you have any idea how stupid that would be? Taiwan is a nit to China. Leave them alone, and prosper. Then buy them, lock, stock and barrel.

You think it's BS, but it's really a cold fact.

If Western institutions are willing to conduct public opinion polls in China, let the Chinese people choose between nuclear war and Taiwan independence, I can guarantee that more than 80% of Chinese people will choose nuclear war.

Unlike Indians, Chinese people are a pessimistic and serious nation, Chinese people are used to preparing for the worst and preparing for the best before taking action.
The Chinese also are different from the Russians. The Korean War has proved that we are willing to fight head-on with the USA and NATO, and our war with USA, USSR, India and Vietnam has proved that our military doctrine is to attack on its own initiative.
If we are convinced that the US military will intervene in the Taiwan war by force, Guam, Hawaii and so on must be our targets. That is likely to lead to nuclear war, so we have long been prepared and aware of nuclear war.

And we may be the country that is least afraid of and most prepared for nuclear war.
Our national mobilization system is the most efficient and comprehensive.
Our grain reserve ranks first in the world.
Our refuge project began construction in 1969 and now can accommodate about 200 million urban people.

How about the Asylum Project in USA?
Oh, sorry, I forgot that Americans can't even repair their infrastructure, let alone shelters for hundreds of millions of people. After the nuclear war, when tens of thousands of wealthy Jews and senior officials in the West leave the shelters, hundreds of millions of Chinese will also leave the shelters with complete industrial chains and sufficient food supplies.

 

[MH.Yang]

This is melodramatic. The western population does wish poverty and chaos for anyone. This is not how normal people anywhere in the world think or behave

I've not read anywhere that Taiwan wants to proclaim independence, given the problems that it will pose for their security with China. Seems to me like the Taiwanese just want to keep status quo. In west as well, status quo for Taiwan is welcomed with a sigh of relief. But if both parties (Taiwan and China) can agree for some workable framework - it is best case scenario. However, I must point out that the moral compass for what is right and wrong in west may not be the same as what you are accustomed to. For the western population, freedom of thought and choice in politics is fundamental right for humanity. Infringement of this fundamental right is not acceptable for the general population. This may sound like reading a chapter from Captain America comics to you, but it is really what most people in the west think when they are asked to choose right and wrong. There are always exceptions (even in the west) who do not like this ethos, but they are only exceptions and not the norm. So when the western media, its population and politicians clamor about Taiwan's liberty and all - you should try to entertain the notion that mostly it is based on what this culture understands as fundamental rights for humanity.

As for the recent crisis in Honk Kong, I remember reading that Beijing wanted to take more control of the politics in the city earlier than what was promised in the agreement with British. I don't know if CIA was involved. I can only take your accusation as speculative as you have no way to prove it. I do have a close friend at work who is from Honk Kong. At the very least, he is not happy with the measures from Beijing. So I also have that personal anecdote to believe that it is not all run by CIA.

Regardless of this Honk Kong thing, I hope Taiwan is resolved with constitutional agreements. Btw, do you guys have something like a constitution anyway?

Yes, in 1997, China promised Britain to maintain a certain degree independence status of Hong Kong for 50 years until 2047.
China has not broken its promise. Hong Kong is still a special administrative region with a certain degree of independence. Hong Kong still has independent legislative and financial powers, and the Chinese govt has not broken its commitments.
The British govt accused the Chinese govt of wanting to do so, which is a slander without any evidence.
The British govt should tell us where the British got the news that China would abolish Hong Kong's status as a special administrative region?