Russia getting angry at China for copying there military hardware
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^ i hope you banned that troll qwerty
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Modes banned me for a week because I called someone a idiot, the same idiot that called the Mig-29 an upgraded Mig-21. But yet this troll keeps posting troll treads topic and Mods do nothing,
WOW all i can say is this
WOW all i can say is this
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what the hell mods are doing i cant understand this guy deserve to be banned for posting this useless thread again & again.
U deserve this for posting this kind of crap again & again
U deserve this for posting this kind of crap again & again
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why dont mod make this thread a sticky thread
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1.J7 IS A COPY OF MIG 21
The J-7 (Jian-7, or F-7 in its export name) is a Chinese copy of the Russian Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 (NATO codename: Fishbed) supersonic jet fighter aircraft. Over 1,000 examples in different variants have been built by three aircraft manufacturers in Shenyang, Chengdu, and Guizhou since the production first began in the late 1970s.
This jet was a big rival to mig 21 in terms of crashing .
2. JF 17 is a copy of russian cancelled MIG 33
Mikoyan entered the MiG izdeje 33 design, which bore a resemblance to the F-16. MiG could not afford to develop both the MFI and LFI, so their LFI entry was eventually withdrawn. The program was subsequently cancelled in 1992, and no prototypes of the three designs were built, although MiG sold the izdeje 33 concept to China, which resulted in the JF-17 Thunder fighter.
Chinese Airshow a Hit With the Military
MiG-33 FULCRUM
3.j10 is a copy of israel's cancelled LAVI project
Russian aerospace engineers have confirmed to Jane's that China's Chengdu J-10 fighter aircraft benefited from significant, direct input from Israel's Lavi programme - including access to the Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI) Lavi aircraft itself. In a number of interviews Jane's has talked at length with several engineers, designers and technical specialists - some of whom have been working with their Chinese counterparts for decades and have had first-hand experience on Chinese military projects. They have provided detailed accounts of the assistance given to various Chinese manufacturers and their military aircraft projects. This has included extensive design and performance modelling, wind-tunnel testing and advanced aerodynamic design input. Senior Russian engineers who spoke to Jane's recalled their many visits to Chengdu, and elsewhere in China, some of which began in the 1980s. Jane's was told how Chengdu officials of the highest level stated how they had one of the IAI Lavi prototypes in their facilities. Describing his conversations with Chengdu concerning possession of a Lavi aircraft, one Jane's source commented: "I did not consider that to be a revelation ... doesn't everyone know that already?" It is not possible to independently verify the Russian comments. The charge of Lavi technology transfer has been made before, but this time the claims come from individuals with sustained personal experience of the programme. Both Chinese and Israeli officials have long refuted any purported links between the J-10 and the Lavi.
Defence Security Report
4.J-11 & J-11B ARE COPIES OF SU 27
The Shenyang J-11 (Jianji-11 or Jian-11) is the Chinese copy of the Sukhoi Su-27 (NATo reporting name: Flanker) air-superiority fighter built by the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (SAC). The basic variant J-11, built using Russian-supplied kits, is identical to the Su-27SK. The “indigenised” multirole variant J-11B was based on the Su-27SK/J-11 airframe, but fitted with Chinese-built avionics and weapon suite.
Russia has officially notified China of the fact that the production of J11 jet fighters, which copy Russia’s Su-27SK aircraft, violates international agreements. Moscow promised to launch legal proceedings to protect its intellectual property.
Russia’s attempts to settle down on China’s arms market have been made to no avail, the Nezavisimaya Gazeta reports. Chinese pirates have entered a new level of activity. They mastered the production technology and developed the Chinese production of Su-27 analogues with a view to subsequently export the planes to third world countries.
Russia infuriated with Chinese export copies of Su-27 jet fighters - English pravda.ru
6.J-15 IS A COPY OF SU-33
China’s Shenyang Aircraft Corporation created a copy of a Russian deck-based Su-33 fighter jet. The Chinese model of the aircraft was called J-15, Interfax reports with reference to the May issue of the Kanwa Asian Defence military publication.
The Chinese fighter jet is based on the Soviet T10K training aircraft, which China received from Ukraine. Chinese engineers found it very difficult to solve the problem of folding wings of deck-based fighter jets. Now the problem has been solved.
China Creates Pirate Copy of Russia?s Su-33 Deck-Based Fighter Jet - English pravda.ru
Naval Air: China Steals The Abandoned Su-33
7.J20 IS A ULTIMATE COPY & MIXTURE OF MOST PROBABLY MIG MFI & PRE-JAST/JSF DESIGN
J20 is the ultimate copy & mixture of most probably mig mfi & pre JAST/JSF design,
similarities with the MIG-1.44
The latest images show some startling similarities between the Chinese J-20 and canceled Russian MiG-1.44. Both have similar style of delta wing canard configurations and V-Shaped tail section with closely mounted engines.
Similarities with the F22-Raptor
The canopy looks like a 1:1 carbon copy of that on the F-22, right down to the v-shaped cylinder on the forward part of the frame.
Similarities with the pre JAST/JSF design
The fuselarge & canards resembles very much or a carboncopy of pre JAST/JSF design
According to a report by the Reuters news service,Russia sold China tech for J-20
http://www.dodbuzz.com/2011/08/18/report-russia-sold-china-tech-for-j-20/
Russia has never transferred any stealth technology to China to assist it with its J-20 Black Eagle fifth-generation stealth fighter prototype, Russian plane maker MiG said .
Chendu employed former MiG engineers who have previously worked on MiG 1.44 as it was cancelled project .But mig is facing financial problems after 1990 after collapse of USSR .so their engineers must have been recruitred by china for the modernization of plaaf so how it is possible that that those engineers are not helping Chinese in developing j20 .
Cyber espionage theft speculations
Computer spies had broken into the Pentagon’s $300 billion Joint Strike Fighter project, the Defense Department’s costliest weapons program ever. Computer systems involved with the program appear to have been infiltrated at least as far back as 2007, according to people familiar with the matter. Evidence of penetrations continued to be discovered at least into 2008. The intruders appear to have been interested in data about the design of USAF planes, its performance statistics and its electronic systems. The intruders compromised the system responsible for diagnosing a plane’s maintenance problems during flight, according to officials familiar with the matter. However, the plane’s most vital systems — such as flight controls and sensors — are physically isolated from the publicly accessible Internet.
The intruders entered through vulnerabilities in the networks of two or three contractors helping to build the high-tech fighter jet, according to people who have been briefed on the matter. Lockheed Martin is the lead contractor on the program, and Northrop Grumman Corp , BAE Systems PLC also play major roles in its development. The spies inserted technology that encrypts the data as it’s being stolen , as a result, investigators can’t tell exactly what data has been taken.
Amongst high speculation of Chinese involvement in these events , investigators traced the penetrations back with a “high level of certainty” to a known Chinese Internet protocol, or IP, addresses and digital fingerprints that had been used for attacks in the past. A Pentagon report issued had stated that the Chinese military has made “steady progress” in developing online-warfare techniques. China hopes its computer skills can help it compensate for an underdeveloped military, the report said. The Chinese Embassy said in a statement that China opposes and forbids all forms of cyber crimes.” It called the Pentagon’s report “a product of the Cold War mentality” and said the allegations of cyber espionage are “intentionally fabricated to fan up China threat sensations.”
There were also reports on some forums that F-22 was spotted over Beijing.
This photograph looks suspicious
The J-7 (Jian-7, or F-7 in its export name) is a Chinese copy of the Russian Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 (NATO codename: Fishbed) supersonic jet fighter aircraft. Over 1,000 examples in different variants have been built by three aircraft manufacturers in Shenyang, Chengdu, and Guizhou since the production first began in the late 1970s.
This jet was a big rival to mig 21 in terms of crashing .
2. JF 17 is a copy of russian cancelled MIG 33
Mikoyan entered the MiG izdeje 33 design, which bore a resemblance to the F-16. MiG could not afford to develop both the MFI and LFI, so their LFI entry was eventually withdrawn. The program was subsequently cancelled in 1992, and no prototypes of the three designs were built, although MiG sold the izdeje 33 concept to China, which resulted in the JF-17 Thunder fighter.
Chinese Airshow a Hit With the Military
MiG-33 FULCRUM
3.j10 is a copy of israel's cancelled LAVI project
Russian aerospace engineers have confirmed to Jane's that China's Chengdu J-10 fighter aircraft benefited from significant, direct input from Israel's Lavi programme - including access to the Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI) Lavi aircraft itself. In a number of interviews Jane's has talked at length with several engineers, designers and technical specialists - some of whom have been working with their Chinese counterparts for decades and have had first-hand experience on Chinese military projects. They have provided detailed accounts of the assistance given to various Chinese manufacturers and their military aircraft projects. This has included extensive design and performance modelling, wind-tunnel testing and advanced aerodynamic design input. Senior Russian engineers who spoke to Jane's recalled their many visits to Chengdu, and elsewhere in China, some of which began in the 1980s. Jane's was told how Chengdu officials of the highest level stated how they had one of the IAI Lavi prototypes in their facilities. Describing his conversations with Chengdu concerning possession of a Lavi aircraft, one Jane's source commented: "I did not consider that to be a revelation ... doesn't everyone know that already?" It is not possible to independently verify the Russian comments. The charge of Lavi technology transfer has been made before, but this time the claims come from individuals with sustained personal experience of the programme. Both Chinese and Israeli officials have long refuted any purported links between the J-10 and the Lavi.
Defence Security Report
4.J-11 & J-11B ARE COPIES OF SU 27
The Shenyang J-11 (Jianji-11 or Jian-11) is the Chinese copy of the Sukhoi Su-27 (NATo reporting name: Flanker) air-superiority fighter built by the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (SAC). The basic variant J-11, built using Russian-supplied kits, is identical to the Su-27SK. The “indigenised” multirole variant J-11B was based on the Su-27SK/J-11 airframe, but fitted with Chinese-built avionics and weapon suite.
Russia has officially notified China of the fact that the production of J11 jet fighters, which copy Russia’s Su-27SK aircraft, violates international agreements. Moscow promised to launch legal proceedings to protect its intellectual property.
Russia’s attempts to settle down on China’s arms market have been made to no avail, the Nezavisimaya Gazeta reports. Chinese pirates have entered a new level of activity. They mastered the production technology and developed the Chinese production of Su-27 analogues with a view to subsequently export the planes to third world countries.
Russia infuriated with Chinese export copies of Su-27 jet fighters - English pravda.ru
6.J-15 IS A COPY OF SU-33
China’s Shenyang Aircraft Corporation created a copy of a Russian deck-based Su-33 fighter jet. The Chinese model of the aircraft was called J-15, Interfax reports with reference to the May issue of the Kanwa Asian Defence military publication.
The Chinese fighter jet is based on the Soviet T10K training aircraft, which China received from Ukraine. Chinese engineers found it very difficult to solve the problem of folding wings of deck-based fighter jets. Now the problem has been solved.
China Creates Pirate Copy of Russia?s Su-33 Deck-Based Fighter Jet - English pravda.ru
Naval Air: China Steals The Abandoned Su-33
7.J20 IS A ULTIMATE COPY & MIXTURE OF MOST PROBABLY MIG MFI & PRE-JAST/JSF DESIGN
J20 is the ultimate copy & mixture of most probably mig mfi & pre JAST/JSF design,
similarities with the MIG-1.44
The latest images show some startling similarities between the Chinese J-20 and canceled Russian MiG-1.44. Both have similar style of delta wing canard configurations and V-Shaped tail section with closely mounted engines.
Similarities with the F22-Raptor
The canopy looks like a 1:1 carbon copy of that on the F-22, right down to the v-shaped cylinder on the forward part of the frame.
Similarities with the pre JAST/JSF design
The fuselarge & canards resembles very much or a carboncopy of pre JAST/JSF design
According to a report by the Reuters news service,Russia sold China tech for J-20
http://www.dodbuzz.com/2011/08/18/report-russia-sold-china-tech-for-j-20/
Russia has never transferred any stealth technology to China to assist it with its J-20 Black Eagle fifth-generation stealth fighter prototype, Russian plane maker MiG said .
Chendu employed former MiG engineers who have previously worked on MiG 1.44 as it was cancelled project .But mig is facing financial problems after 1990 after collapse of USSR .so their engineers must have been recruitred by china for the modernization of plaaf so how it is possible that that those engineers are not helping Chinese in developing j20 .
Cyber espionage theft speculations
Computer spies had broken into the Pentagon’s $300 billion Joint Strike Fighter project, the Defense Department’s costliest weapons program ever. Computer systems involved with the program appear to have been infiltrated at least as far back as 2007, according to people familiar with the matter. Evidence of penetrations continued to be discovered at least into 2008. The intruders appear to have been interested in data about the design of USAF planes, its performance statistics and its electronic systems. The intruders compromised the system responsible for diagnosing a plane’s maintenance problems during flight, according to officials familiar with the matter. However, the plane’s most vital systems — such as flight controls and sensors — are physically isolated from the publicly accessible Internet.
The intruders entered through vulnerabilities in the networks of two or three contractors helping to build the high-tech fighter jet, according to people who have been briefed on the matter. Lockheed Martin is the lead contractor on the program, and Northrop Grumman Corp , BAE Systems PLC also play major roles in its development. The spies inserted technology that encrypts the data as it’s being stolen , as a result, investigators can’t tell exactly what data has been taken.
Amongst high speculation of Chinese involvement in these events , investigators traced the penetrations back with a “high level of certainty” to a known Chinese Internet protocol, or IP, addresses and digital fingerprints that had been used for attacks in the past. A Pentagon report issued had stated that the Chinese military has made “steady progress” in developing online-warfare techniques. China hopes its computer skills can help it compensate for an underdeveloped military, the report said. The Chinese Embassy said in a statement that China opposes and forbids all forms of cyber crimes.” It called the Pentagon’s report “a product of the Cold War mentality” and said the allegations of cyber espionage are “intentionally fabricated to fan up China threat sensations.”
There were also reports on some forums that F-22 was spotted over Beijing.
This photograph looks suspicious
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i love how the "copies" all look better than the originals! all beautiful planes indeed. i can't wait for these magnificients bird to fly over india, that'll make their migs drop out of the sky even faster! 
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i love how the "copies" all look better than the originals! all beautiful planes indeed. i can't wait for these magnificients bird to fly over india, that'll make their migs drop out of the sky even faster!
Nokia N-8 cost around 22000 Rupees and China copied version about 4500 Rupees with more features than original like two or 4 sim slots. 2 memory slots......does it make better than original one, a big NOOOO for it. because it was made in China. all the best..............
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yes J7 ofi love how the "copies" all look better than the originals! all beautiful planes indeed. i can't wait for these magnificients bird to fly over india, that'll make their migs drop out of the sky even faster!
china was chinese version of flying coffin it was a big rival of mig 21 in terms of crashing .
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between the j7 and the mig21, the mig21 is called the flying coffin LOL. not only does the "copy" look better, it also performs better LOL
btw, j7 is an old plane, about to be replaced by j-10s and j-11s. i hope your LCA or copy of the mirage is ready!
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dont worry lca would be called coffin maker for ur J10 & j11's pilotsbetween the j7 and the mig21, the mig21 is called the flying coffin LOL. not only does the "copy" look better, it also performs better LOL
btw, j7 is an old plane, about to be replaced by j-10s and j-11s. i hope your LCA or copy of the mirage is ready!
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finish copying the mirage 1st then talk about "coffin maker"? LOL
how many decades are you guys going to take copying the mirage, btw?
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These are the two and only clear pics of Mig-33 posted by me earlier, here is your job, it can give you a fair hint to whom Mig-33 resembles most in design mig-29 or FC-1?dont worry lca would be called coffin maker for ur J10 & j11's pilots
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