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Russia expects NK to collapse by 2020; doesn't expect Chinese "intervention

you don't get him sir when they use term human rights its mean white humans rights .Asians Africans Latins Arabs are not humans in there books .a white guy killed in war its become river or tears on media and society but we bombed daily never seen even single news our kids die no one ask them stop drones .got it ?.

Honestly they ally themselves with Dictators and whine about the Evil Chinese and how were building our forces they whine about us when they have killed Millions on the haunt for Fake WMD's, Oil, and their interests, supporting there favorite dictators while lecturing us frankly they can STFU now.
 
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you don't get him sir when they use term human rights its mean white humans rights .Asians Africans Latins Arabs are not humans in there books .a white guy killed in war its become river or tears on media and society but we bombed daily never seen even single news our kids die no one ask them stop drones .got it ?.

Well, this is hardly any secret, even decades ago they had openly admitted it. :coffee:
 
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Well, this is hardly any secret, even decades ago they had openly admitted it. :coffee:

thats why they are losing every thing now a days just imagine dear if they never go to war with Iraq Afghanistan there economy was not in this deep mess .
 
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consider the south korea has unbelievable territory request/ demand on Chinese land, its a must to pay a price to keep korea split apart.
Then so be it. There is no reservation about killing another half a million PLA troops on the other side. The modern advances in arms technology has made the job easy and cleaner.

what Russia main goal is no Nuclear weapons on the Korean peninsula and also selling their natural resources
There is nothing for Russia to sell to Kim Jong Il. It's the other way around; Russia demanding a repayment of $11 billion in outstanding debt. So that tells you whom the Russians expect to be in charge.

500k dead that's not an intervention that's all out war
500K+ is how many Chinese troops perished during the last war.

the korean war itself in the 50's saw less than 200k Chinese KIA
The figure used outside of China is 500K+.

in addition economic activity in china freeze= world wide depression
Not really, since Chinese are too poor to consume and there are other sources of labor, namely Vietnam and India.

Seoul is too close to the North Korean border.

Seoul contains over half the entire South Korean population. Kim Jong-Il is holding Seoul hostage, with his thousands of artillery pieces
There are only 300 artillery pieces with enough range to reach Seoul, most of which would be taken out in half a day. And the invasion into the North begins.

and with his nuclear weapons.
NK's nukes are too heavy to fit on a missile. It will have to be driven down by the ground vehicle, which will of course not make it across the DMZ because the nuke depot is so far away(It's near Chinese border).

That's why no one dares to respond when North Korea sunk the Cheonan (killing 46 soldiers) or when they bombarded that South Korean island with artillery shells.
Did you know that NK lost dozens of troops during that exchange, while the ROK Marine Corp lost two? One was returning from the port, and the other got bored and went out of bunker for smoke and then got hit by the shell. No troop in their combat position were injured.

Kim Jong-Il can take Seoul off the map within the first few moments of war.
No he can't.

If the North Korean regime collapses, then millions of Korean refugees will stream over the border into China, and many millions more will starve to death within North Korea itself.
This happens only if China decides to "intervene"; the whole thing would be over in a week if China does not, and minimum amount of refugees into China who would then eager to return.

If China decides to fight, then it will cost the lives of half a million PLA troops as well as trillions in economic losses for China. We are talking at least a 30% drop in China's GDP(Export, shipping blocked as the Yellow Sea turns into a war zone)

We will of course take all actions to protect our own national interests.
China's best interest is to stay put and watch the whole thing over in a week.

Of course this quick resolution would have the negative consequence of having a US airbase within an unrefueled combat radius to Beijing, as well as a US submarine naval base in the Yellow Sea in what used to be North Korea.

Don't worry, if NK does collapse in the future, then CCP will make sure that it will become a new province of China.
Or China itself could face the people's revolution as ordinary people rise up in the economic hardships during the second war.

We don't need 20 million refugees the solution is get rid of the Kims and install a Pro China Military junta
Since there is no such thing as pro-China faction within NK, the only way to do this is to send in PLA troops into NK, which then triggers the second war and half a million PLA troops perish in the attempt.

we use it as a bargining chip for a Neutral United Korea
Korea is always anti-China, whether it's North or South. There is no such thing as a neutral Korea. Remember, Chinese babies have no right to exist in North Korea, not even ROK shows that kind of hatred toward Chinese.

North Korea's mixed-blood baby policy.

Half-American babies? Ok
Half-Southeast Asian babies? Ok
Half-Japanese babies? Ok.
Half-Chinese babies? Terminated at birth.
 
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This happens only if China decides to "intervene"; the whole thing would be over in a week if China does not, and minimum amount of refugees into China who would then eager to return.

If China decides to fight, then it will cost the lives of half a million PLA troops as well as trillions in economic losses for China. We are talking at least a 30% drop in China's GDP(Export, shipping blocked as the Yellow Sea turns into a war zone)

China's best interest is to stay put and watch the whole thing over in a week.

Hahaha you openly said that you hate us, yet you are now being "helpful", and telling us what is in our best interests? What a load of desperate BS. :lol:

With or without Chinese intervention, Kim Jong-Il will not go down without launching his nukes. Nukes are a "use it or lose it" weapon, and the target is obviously Seoul, where half the South Korean population lives.

And remember that during the 1950's Korean war, China was able to push the USA + 16 of her allies completely out of North Korea, in order to prevent them from ending up next to China.

That was back in the 1950's, when we were at the weakest point in our entire history. China in 2011 is now the second largest economy on Earth, with the second largest military budget, and the largest number of active troops in the world. Not to mention the fact that we are now one of the 5 thermonuclear powers.

When you say "it is for our best interests", what you mean is that you didn't have the balls to take back North Korea for 50 years, and nothing has changed, as can clearly be seen from the lack of response to the sinking of the Cheonan.
 
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Hahaha you openly said that you hate us, yet you are now being "helpful", and telling us what is in our best interests? What a load of desperate BS. :lol:

With or without Chinese intervention, Kim Jong-Il will not go down without launching his nukes. Nukes are a "use it or lose it" weapon, and the target is obviously Seoul, where half the South Korean population lives.

And remember that during the 1950's Korean war, China was able to push the USA + 16 of her allies completely out of North Korea, in order to prevent them from ending up next to China.

That was back in the 1950's, when we were at the weakest point in our entire history. China in 2011 is now the second largest economy on Earth, with the second largest military budget, and the largest number of active troops in the world. Not to mention the fact that we are now one of the 5 thermonuclear powers.

When you say "it is for our best interests", what you mean is that you didn't have the balls to take back North Korea for 50 years, and nothing has changed, as can clearly be seen from the lack of response to the sinking of the Cheonan.

Be patient bro, i am sure in the future their entire nation will beg us for mercy just like their ancestors did several hundred years ago. :coffee:
 
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Be patient bro, i am sure in the future their entire nation will beg us for mercy just like their ancestors did several hundred years ago. :coffee:

I don't care if they beg or not. They were never a threat to us, and never will be.

Just a nuisance, nothing more. :azn:
 
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I don't care if they beg or not. They were never a threat to us, and never will be.

Just a nuisance, nothing more. :azn:

They are always destined to be a vassal state.

Appeal to a superpower is their only way to survive, and they did this to China in order to avoid of getting bullied by Japan in the past.

China never forced them to say anything, but they had voluntarily admitted that Korea is always China's most obedient son. :lol:

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With or without Chinese intervention, Kim Jong-Il will not go down without launching his nukes.
Kim Jong Il cannot "launch" nukes because his WW2 era nukes weigh 5 tons; NK has no means of air delivery. The nukes must be driven by the trucks.

Nukes are a "use it or lose it" weapon
The first ground units to land into NK are Futenma marines + ROKMC troops whose mission is to seize NK nuke depots and take away the nukes.

and the target is obviously Seoul, where half the South Korean population lives.
Don't worry, the nukes won't be going anywhere.

And remember that during the 1950's Korean war, China was able to push the USA + 16 of her allies completely out of North Korea, in order to prevent them from ending up next to China.
And lost 500K+ troops in the process.

That was back in the 1950's, when we were at the weakest point in our entire history. China in 2011 is now the second largest economy on Earth, with the second largest military budget, and the largest number of active troops in the world.
And the situation is even worse because the air power and the artillery power of the opponent is now exponentially more powerful. The PLA would be walking into the death trap where they have no air cover, and you know what happens to an army without an air cover.

Not to mention the fact that we are now one of the 5 thermonuclear powers.
China cannot use nukes without being nuked. Just as the US was willing to nuke the Soviet Union if Soviet Union nuked China, the US has a legal guarantee to nuke China if China nukes somebody else.

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I don't care if they beg or not. They were never a threat to us, and never will be.
Same feeling here too. It would be fun to wipe out another half a million or million with half a million rounds of guided rockets in the stockpile. That's only 1 ~ 2 PLA solders per rocket round.
 
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ROK Army Firepower Drill

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South Korea vs China military force

South Korea nuclear weapons - 0
China nuclear weapons- 300 to ??

South Korea fighter jets - 500+
China fighter jets - 2600+

South Korea artillery force - insignificant, with very limited range and accuracy
China artillery force - a few thousand, with ranges up to 14,000 km

South Korea Submarine force - 0 nuclear submarine, relatively small
China submarine force - 60+ including 6 to ?? nuclear subs

South Korea land size - 100,000 km2 oil reserves- virtually none, entirely dependent on sea trade routes
China land size - 9,600,000 km2 oil reserves - 16 bill to ??

South Korea successful space launch - 0
China successful space launch - plenty

South Korea military bases - A few minus 2 occupied by American forces
China military bases - hundreds, including underground installations unaccounted for, occupied by the PLA
Chinese military bases in North Korea - none, American military bases in South Korea - 2

score count America 2 - China 0
 
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South Korea vs China military force

South Korea nuclear weapons - 0
China nuclear weapons- 300 to ??

South Korea fighter jets - 500+
China fighter jets - 2600+

South Korea artillery force - insignificant, with very limited range and accuracy
China artillery force - a few thousand, with ranges up to 14,000 km

South Korea Submarine force - 0 nuclear submarine, relatively small
China submarine force - 60+ including 6 to ?? nuclear subs

South Korea land size - 100,000 km2 oil reserves- virtually none, entirely dependent on sea trade routes
China land size - 9,600,000 km2 oil reserves - 16 bill to ??

South Korea successful space launch - 0
China successful space launch - plenty

South Korea military bases - A few minus 2 occupied by American forces
China military bases - hundreds, including underground installations unaccounted for, occupied by the PLA
Chinese military bases in North Korea - none, American military bases in South Korea - 2

score count America 2 - China 0

Remember, China only talks with their master.
 
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Remember, China only talks with their master.

Yes it's hard not to cry at this dellusional fool who even claim his race is Turkic, Manchu or Mongol once, remember? there's actually a Turkey Defense forum here, i want to see if he have the balls to post that stupid claim of his there :disagree:, fact are no countries, not Japan, not Russia, not USA, not China, not India, not Pakistan will ever, ever support Korea having nuclear capabilities or testing an nuclear device(big repercussions) or transfer any of the most vital sensitive military tech to South Koreans(American goal is to keep South Korean military dependent forever), which is why there is not a true ally of North Korea after they made their underground atomic test, apart from China who was still supportive because of their past brotherly support in North Korea's liberation from imperialism, but i say that patience should also be limited, USA certainly will not ever want a nuclear capable Korean Peninsula and North Korea as of now have never proven they can miniaturize or deliver a nuclear warhead effectively yet and if they do this, they know they will even lost all support even from China, lets be honest, neither Japan, neither will Russia, or China will want Korea to ever attempt to create a nuclear device, so they will continue to work together on this issue, no one will give South Korea a free military leg up just because they start kissing American butt, in this sense North Korea keep their pride and integrity while South Korea is looking more and more like a loser and sellout everyday, i always say China's main threat is not India or anyone else, but should now clearly focus her security attention towards the American potential puppet states in the pacific, the pearl of string theory is proven false and sensationalist, by Indian scaremongers, in reality China real security threat are the puppet states to the east, no need for denial, these are facts, so extra focus is certainly now given to counter these threats.
 
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Do you have the report in English? Just the 5 pages on the Korean peninsula out of the 480 pages report would be good. Because there's nothing in the article you quoted implies any of your assertions.

Buddy, be careful about Chosun Ilbo. It is a liar: it reports a version of story in English and another version of the same story in Chinese. Fortunately I sort of understand both languages and I had to apologize for my post in PDF for not being careful about the trickery of S. Korean Chosun Ilbo.
 
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