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‘Russia does not plan to sell fighter jets, weapons to Pakistan’: report

We have not asked Russia for anything but merely showed our interest. Try to read the link you just posted above. Just dont copy paste it for the sake of it. We have not opened any negotiations with the Russians on any item or have we?.

Lets not argue about semantics, let's agree to disagree .

As to why piss New Delhi, Russia can ask the same question why piss the bear by joining the western bang wagon? But wait you already did so why do you think Russia will treat you differently?

New Delhi has not joined Western Bandwagon , bought a few weapons from US dosen't mean we have joined them.
India and US fight over a lot of things especially in WTO .
Secondly Cold war has ended and West won . The world is not divided into 2 poles because currently there is only one Pole.
India has allied with USonly against China not Russia. Even after West saying and goading India to stop buying and dealing with Russia , India has not listened.

Today's news both China and India are in this list so you see sometimes US treats us like their enemy in trade related issues.
US places India under watch list to monitor its foreign exchange policies
https://www.businesstoday.in/curren...s-foreign-exchange-policies/story/274853.html
India joins China in US Treasury's list of countries with potentially questionable foreign exchange policies
https://www.firstpost.com/business/...onable-foreign-exchange-policies-4431275.html

And just to prove my point, did this stopped Russia from selling Pakistan engines for JF-17? It did not stopped Russia from selling us Mi-35.

There is a difference in selling JF-17 engines and Mi-35 helis and selling S-400s or Su-35s.
 
Search for pakistan + gripen on PDF.
It has been discussed multiple times.
lol. Its that what you have. Did you realize that it had more to do with the fact that Sweden did not sell military hardware to conflict regions?
Here from press trust of India:
"ISLAMABAD --- In a setback to Pakistan’s efforts to get new generation Swedish-made Gripen fighter planes, Stockholm has said that it will not sell any weapons or weapon-related equipment to Islamabad.

“There is no question of selling them weapons or anything directly related to weapons,” Swedish Foreign Minister Laila Freivalds said after her talks with visiting Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf in Stockholm yesterday.

Before his talks with Freivalds, Musharraf, who is currently on a tour of Scandinavian countries, said that Pakistan might be interested in purchasing JAS Gripen fighter planes from Sweden. “Pakistan is looking for a high-tech aircraft. Gripen is one of several alternatives,” he was quoted as saying by Swedish newswire TT.

Freivalds, however, said Sweden would not be considering the sale of any weapons or weapon-related equipment to Pakistan, media reports here said.

She also said the Swedish government has yet to decide whether to sell Erieye radars, which was sought to be purchased by Pakistan for its Air Force. She said a decision has to be made whether the radar came under the category of weapon. “We have yet to reach that stage,” she said."

Now read the highlighted parts. Pakistan never really requested for Gripen, it was just one of the alternatives we were looking at along with others. Sweden had a strict policy regarding arms export and were not selling weapons to regions with conflict. It had nothing to do with Pakistan in particular. Back than they were also deciding on Erieye which latter became available and is now part of PAF fleet. So Sweden did sell us after all. Plus it was more of a political tool to pressurize US to make F-16s available which they did and we went that route because of the existing infrastructure.
So nice try but try again and harder this time.
 
How rightly did the out going CAS said in his recent interview We will make our own 5th generation aircraft and wont bag others to give us fighter jets.
 
Lets not argue about semantics, let's agree to disagree
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Ok

New Delhi has not joined Western Bandwagon , bought a few weapons from US dosen't mean we have joined them.
India and US fight over a lot of things especially in WTO .
Secondly Cold war has ended and West won . The world is not divided into 2 poles because currently there is only one Pole.
India has allied with USonly against China not Russia. Even after West saying and goading India to stop buying and dealing with Russia , India has not listened.

Today's news both China and India are in this list so you see sometimes US treats us like their enemy in trade related issues.
US places India under watch list to monitor its foreign exchange policies
https://www.businesstoday.in/curren...s-foreign-exchange-policies/story/274853.html
India joins China in US Treasury's list of countries with potentially questionable foreign exchange policies
https://www.firstpost.com/business/...onable-foreign-exchange-policies-4431275.html
https://www.firstpost.com/business/...onable-foreign-exchange-policies-4431275.html

This is all fine and dandy however let us not kid ourselves. Before this Russia was your biggest arms supplier. Now read this
http://www.business-standard.com/ar...a-s-biggest-arms-supplier-114022500023_1.html

There is a difference in selling JF-17 engines and Mi-35 helis and selling S-400s or Su-35s.

There was a time when India tried to block JF-17 engines, the same happened with MI-35. There was a time when even these sales looked impossible. I remember when Indians use to rejoice that Russia has stopped China from selling RD-93 engines to Pakistan. So wait and see.
 
lol. Its that what you have. Did you realize that it had more to do with the fact that Sweden did not sell military hardware to conflict regions?
Here from press trust of India:
"ISLAMABAD --- In a setback to Pakistan’s efforts to get new generation Swedish-made Gripen fighter planes, Stockholm has said that it will not sell any weapons or weapon-related equipment to Islamabad.

“There is no question of selling them weapons or anything directly related to weapons,” Swedish Foreign Minister Laila Freivalds said after her talks with visiting Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf in Stockholm yesterday.

Before his talks with Freivalds, Musharraf, who is currently on a tour of Scandinavian countries, said that Pakistan might be interested in purchasing JAS Gripen fighter planes from Sweden. “Pakistan is looking for a high-tech aircraft. Gripen is one of several alternatives,” he was quoted as saying by Swedish newswire TT.

Freivalds, however, said Sweden would not be considering the sale of any weapons or weapon-related equipment to Pakistan, media reports here said.

She also said the Swedish government has yet to decide whether to sell Erieye radars, which was sought to be purchased by Pakistan for its Air Force. She said a decision has to be made whether the radar came under the category of weapon. “We have yet to reach that stage,” she said."

Now read the highlighted parts. Pakistan never really requested for Gripen, it was just one of the alternatives we were looking at along with others. Sweden had a strict policy regarding arms export and were not selling weapons to regions with conflict. It had nothing to do with Pakistan in particular. Back than they were also deciding on Erieye which latter became available and is now part of PAF fleet. So Sweden did sell us after all. Plus it was more of a political tool to pressurize US to make F-16s available which they did and we went that route because of the existing infrastructure.
So nice try but try again and harder this time.

It never got that far. Pakistan was turned away immediately.
- Which proves the point.
 
This is all fine and dandy however let us not kid ourselves. Before this Russia was your biggest arms supplier. Now read this
http://www.business-standard.com/ar...a-s-biggest-arms-supplier-114022500023_1.html

Yes but India is still Russia's biggest client , believe in SIPRI
https://www.sipri.org/commentary/blog/2017/state-major-arms-transfers-8-graphics

The state of major arms transfers in 8 graphics
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Changes in major arms imports to states in the South China Sea between 2007-11 and 2012-16. Data and graphic: SIPRI
22 February 2017
Dr Kate Blanchfield, Pieter D. Wezeman and Siemon T. Wezeman
This week, SIPRI released new data on international arms transfers of major weapons. We’ve picked out some key trends in the data and present the state of arms transfers in eight graphics. All figures come from the SIPRI Arms Transfers Database, which contains data on arms transfers since 1950.



The volume of international arms transfers in the past 5 years was the highest since 1990
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Trends in international arms transfers 2012–16. Data and graphic: SIPRI
SIPRI’s newly released data shows that the volume of major weapons transfers during 2012–16 increased by 8.4% compared to 2007–11. This is the highest volume of arms transfers during any five-year period since 1990.

SIPRI uses the unique trend-indicator value (TIV) to measure the volume of international transfers of major weapons. This takes into account any transfers of major arms, regardless of the price paid or agreed between the supplier and the recipient.



Asia & Oceania and the Middle East dominate arms imports
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The 20 largest importers of major arms 2012–16. Data and graphic: SIPRI
SIPRI researchers identified 155 countries that imported major weapons in 2012–16. Nine out of ten of the largest importer countries are in Asia & Oceania and the Middle East, regions that accounted for 43% and 29% of all arms imports, respectively.

India remained the world’s biggest arms importer over the past five years, and increased its share of global arms imports from 9.7% in 2007–11 to 12.8% in 2012–16. Saudi Arabia moved from being the world’s eleventh largest arms importer in 2007–11 with 2.9% of the global share to the world’s second largest arms importer with an 8.2% share.

Explore where each of these recipients got their weapons from in the interactive graphic below. Darker colours indicate that these suppliers provided a higher share of a recipient's arms imports.



The USA has shifted its arms exports from Pakistan to India
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Major arms imports by China, India and Pakistan over the past 20 years. Data and graphic: SIPRI
China, India and Pakistan have been major arms importers over the past 20 years. Pakistan‘s arms procurement is driven by a perception of India as a threat, while India is concerned about China and Pakistan. Despite these regional tensions, several arms exporters are willing to supply arms to both sides.


China has reduced arms imports, falling from being the world’s largest importer in the 2000’s to fourth largest in 2016, as its domestic arms industry has become more capable of producing advanced weapons. It is still reliant on imports for certain items, however, such as engines and transport aircraft.
India’s arms imports have steadily grown over the past 20 years as, unlike China, it has not established a domestic arms industry that can cater to the demands of the Indian military. Pakistan’s arms imports have fluctuated over the past 20 years but remain lower than India’s.

Russia has been the main arms supplier to both China and India. However, as it does not want to jeopardize its arms trade relation with India, has restricted its arms exports to Pakistan. Between 1997 and 2011, the USA was a major supplier to Pakistan and supplied very few arms to India, but has recently shifted its position and in 2012–16 increased arms exports to India for economic and strategic reasons and significantly reduced exports to Pakistan. China has since become Pakistan’s main supplier.

France has been a significant arms supplier to China and Pakistan. Recently, India has made several major orders for French weapons and, with deliveries expected in the coming years, France is set to become a major supplier to India.



Some large increases in arms imports by states in the South China Sea
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Changes to major arms imports by states in the South China Sea 2012–16. Data and graphic: SIPRI
The South China Sea has been the subject of increasingly bold rhetoric from the Chinese and US Governments in recent months. Territorial disputes involve various states but have been particularly heated between China, the Philippines and Viet Nam. SIPRI data shows that both the Philippines and Viet Nam have made large increases in arms imports, particularly of sea-based arms. The Philippines has increased arms imports by 426% between 2012–16 compared to 2007–11 and Viet Nam has increased arms imports by 202% over the same period.

Taiwan increased its arms imports by 647% and Indonesia increased arms imports by 70%. Singapore’s imports of major weapons decreased by 47%, but it is still absorbing major acquisitions from 2007–11. Malaysia’s arms imports dropped after major arms procurement programmes were finished in 2007–11.



Imports by the Arab States of the Gulf are much higher than imports by Iran
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Changes to major arms imports by Arab States of the Gulf and by Iran. Data and graphic: SIPRI
SIPRI data shows that major arms imports by the Arab States of the Gulf and major arms imports to Iran are highly unbalanced. A perceived threat from Iran is a key justification for rising arms imports to several of these states both by the states themselves and the countries exporting to them, such as the USA, UK, France and Germany.

All Arab States of the Gulf except Bahrain increased their major arms imports between 2007–11 and 2012–16. Of the states with tense relations with Iran, Qatar has increased arms imports by 245%, Saudi Arabia by 212%, Kuwait by 175%, and UAE by 63%. Bahrain decreased its arms imports by 19%. Iranian arms imports decreased by 27%.

Iran is currently under a partial UN embargo for arms imports, keeping its imports low. In 2016 Iran received four air defence systems from Russia that are not covered by the embargo, which was the first major arms import by the country since 2007. The USA is the main supplier to the Arab States of the Gulf, supplying over 50% of imports by each of these states except Oman.



The USA and Russia export over half of the world’s major weapons
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The 20 largest major arms exporters 2012–16. Data and graphic: SIPRI
The USA continued to dominate major arms exports, accounting for 33% of all major arms exports and supplying arms to 103 recipients in 2012–16. Russia was the world’s second largest exporter, accounting for 23% of all major arms exports. It supplied arms to 51 recipients in 2012–16 with 70% of its exports going to four countries: India, Viet Nam, China and Algeria.

China was the world’s third largest exporter of major weapons in 2012–16, having just overtaken Germany, France and the UK, all countries with higher exports during 2007–11. Chinese exports went up by 74% in 2012–16 compared to 2007–11, while French and German exports decreased by 5% and 36%, respectively, and British exports increased by 27%.

Use the interactive graphic below to explore the recipients of each arms exporter in more detail. The colours indicate which region of the world a recipient is from.


There was a time when India tried to block JF-17 engines, the same happened with MI-35. There was a time when even these sales looked impossible. I remember when Indians use to rejoice that Russia has stopped China from selling RD-93 engines to Pakistan. So wait and see.

O.K We shall see.


On another note . China was the largest arms importer in the early 2000s and now India since 2010 has been the largest arms importer . Lets see if India can wean away like China in the next 15 years.
 
No it does not since Pakistan was able to acquire Erieye which at the time was also not available.
Nope,
EriEye is different class from the Gripen, and as such there are less problems selling them. UAE has EriEye, but would not be able to buy Gripen.
 
Yyyyyeah, after the S400 failures to intercept missiles and jets (again) I'm not sure if we should even bother with all the so called "sophisticated" Russian anything... :happy:
So you are sure that Russia fired the S400's then?
 
So you are sure that Russia fired the S400's then?
I find it hard to believe that the Russians will take their chances on a jet or a missile 300 miles away that is headed their way, they have no reliable way of knowing if it will bomb the Russian troops barracks or the empty building two blocks down aside from the word of the French government which very well could've been a deceptive plot to get the Russians to get their guard down. They aren't stupid. So yes, I am convinced that they fired the S400s and most of them failed to deliver.
 
I find it hard to believe that the Russians will take their chances on a jet or a missile 300 miles away that is headed their way, they have no reliable way of knowing if it will bomb the Russian troops barracks or the empty building two blocks down aside from the word of the French government which very well could've been a deceptive plot to get the Russians to get their guard down. They aren't stupid. So yes, I am convinced that they fired the S400s and most of them failed to deliver.
Ok.
I think that those who illegally bombed Syria forewarned Russia of their attack and ensured that no Russian property or personnel would be hit. I do not think Russia fired them.

Each to his own.
 
Ok.
I think that those who illegally bombed Syria forewarned Russia of their attack and ensured that no Russian property or personnel would be hit. I do not think Russia fired them.

Each to his own.
Could be, just that I don't think Russia trusts anything that comes outta western mouths.
 
Nope,
EriEye is different class from the Gripen, and as such there are less problems selling them. UAE has EriEye, but would not be able to buy Gripen.
Whether its a different class or not is a moot point because the time line you are mentioning, was the same time line when Erieye were also not available for sale to Pakistan and only became available once we started serious negotiations on it. That was never the case with Gripen. So I dont know what are you trying to prove here but at least get your facts straight.
Besides Gripen had many US components including its engine and a US nod would had been necessary for a sale to Pakistan. So Gripen did not make sense for us anyway specially when US agreed to sell us the F-16s block 52.
 
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