Russia Developing ‘Terrorist-Killer Robots’

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Superior how? What does the Rafale do better then the SU-35?

You can google... it has AESA,better climb rate,advanced avionics etc... and is more expensive than su-35.

No you do the math, 3.5 billion/140=25 million

India ordered the SU-30 in batches, starting with the basic SU-30MK. Over the years inflation as well as better avionics, avionics modification, and airframe modification resulted in higher costs.





Aircraft deals with 'friend' Russia costing dear - India - DNA

Read the whole article.. they are complaining... tht its going the war of gorky... with 115% increase in price... which was originally 40 million $..

That has been proven nonsense.

Not really.

Thank you for further proving my point.

I price (42 million$) of J-10A i quoted was from 2010... while the price of the latest indian mig-29 is from 2013.. surely conversion of current currency rates should be considered.. while the cost of the latest J-10B would much higher... and hope you considered the fact that myanmar had been using mig-29s since long also... so i dont know how you stand corrected.

7000m vs 8000m

It's from welki, as well as your own source you posted.

During the saudi trials it till targets at the range of 4000m:

http://www.paknews.com/main.php?id=6&date1=2003-10-21

Previous it used a modified KBA-3 series gun.... which was replaced by a french gun... now HIT has produced indigenous gun which has greater range:
Locally-produced gun delivered to HIT for tanks | Newspaper | DAWN.COM

Who ever mentioned India? You claimed that even the Al Khalid is better then the T-90, and of course we are talking about Russian weapons not what India purchases from Russia.

But to be fair even the tungsten sabot rounds in the India inventory would pierce the Al-Khalid without any issues while the Naiza's 550mm penetration would do nothing to the T-90s frontal armor which can withstand 950mm penetration.

Modernization of Al-Khalid Main Battle Tank (MBT)

Oleh Shevchenko, Chargé d'affaires Embassy of Ukraine has informed the media that Ukrainian companies will takepart in the modernization project of the Al-Khalid main battle tank (MBT) of the Pakistan Army.

Oleh Shevchenko said, "We will continue co-operation in developing technology for manufacturing military hardware, first of all in shape of Al-Khalid Project".


Upgraded Al Khalid MBT with combination of new armor and optional Explosives Reactive Armor (ERA) can withstand all known 120mm and 125mm rounds. Upgrade also includes improved transmission and electronic turret control for the Al Khalid Tanks. Tank also offers improved protection for the NBC (Nuclear, Biological & chemical) warfare.

Pakistani Al Khalid Tanks are equipped with Integrated Battle Management System (IBMS) and new active threat-protection system. Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT) has also increased Al Khalid's weapon carrying capability and now it will be able to carry 49 125mm HEAT & APFSDS (Armor Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot) and Naiza 125 mm DU rounds, 1,500 12.7mm and 7,100 7.62mm rounds

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...t-2000-information-pool-26.html#ixzz2Tsj8hW88

Again im repeating myself that a new DU round has been developed.

And no I have no data on AK-1, which is still in development? Either way if you have data please share, I would love to see a comparison of a 20 year old tank to a new one.

No it is AK-II that is under development.... as for AK-I....Dont have much date but its already in service here are a few pics:

New armour...
New ERA
New gun
New APS
IBMS
etc etc

Infact a contracts with Ukraine and China have been signed to further upgrade it..

http://www.defenseworld.net/go/defe...To Manufacture New Version Of Al-Khalid Tanks

What I am saying is that with different tank crews you will have different results. And what do Indian crashes have anything to do with the subject? Those crashes could be anything from pilot error, to poor maintenance, to bird strikes.

http://www.google.com.pk/url?sa=t&r...eM8hUuNPFaztaXw9UtjzweQ&bvm=bv.46751780,d.eWU

I bet you did not know that there has been over 300 F-16 crashes as well.

No ... i didnt.. can you post a link..

No, you are thinking of the T-95.

Great.

Two steps ahead, like how it took them 20 years to implement HMS, or how the first operational PESA radar was Russian, or how during the 1970 Russia created supercavitating Torpedos that was 5 times faster than anything NATO had.

Yet they are flying worlds most sophisticated aircrafts and are developing unmanned 6th generation fighters... have super carriers... etc etc.

This is ridiculous. What you are saying is that upgrading thermals and fire control software to achieve more accurate, longer range, hits day or night doesn't change anything?

Sure they do... but they dont radically transform 2nd generation tanks into some sort of super 3rd gen mbts.

Upgrading avionics to allow aircraft to operate at night, precisely acquire and target objectives is not a big deal? By you logic why purchase F-16 block52 when you could just stick to the F-16 block15 after all avionics won't change age old systems

Structural changes.radars,engines... the whole package...

And modern UAVs also don't make a difference right?

They are for recon not bombing..

As for the last bold comment, no Russia virtually didn't use any of it's modern equipment in that war, the Georgian military was much more modern but lost even though they had those mystical western toys and fought on western tactics.

Yes flying su-25s,a bunch of lightly armoured jeeps, upgraded t-72s and limited army on a much much smaller budget... vs russian army with superior aircrafts,more arty systems,numerically superior mbts,missiles and a massive budget.. didnt u also lose 2 jets in friendly fire and more jets than the georgians?not to forget armoured vehicles or APCs....also ur forgetting ossetians and abkhazian troops that were also involved..

 

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Does the so called robot know who is and is not a terrorist ?

 

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Russians jets destroyed Georgian UAVs with air-to-air missiles...

 

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Does the so called robot know who is and is not a terrorist ?

Not even the russian special forces know that exactly as we have seen in the Beslan fiasco,they'll probably shoot to kill everything in sight,russian peacekeeping style


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9l9wxGFl4k

 

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Sort of off topic, but wanted to share, it's made by a Danish engineer who works at the social services ministry. Sort of pet project, though he has expanded and has made a business of selling these robots as kit packages. A must see for Star Wars fans.

Note the agility and speed of this one:

 

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Does the so called robot know who is and is not a terrorist ?

They Russians will never get over the Leninism good old days they will kill their boys if needed

 

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@ptldM3 The price of a J-10B is more than 53 million $$...!

 

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i dnt think this can b possible ....after hundred years...maybe a chance...

 

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Sort of off topic, but wanted to share, it's made by a Danish engineer who works at the social services ministry. Sort of pet project, though he has expanded and has made a business of selling these robots as kit packages. A must see for Star Wars fans.

Note the agility and speed of this one:

Those things are creepy
Terminator style

 

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You can google... it has AESA,better climb rate,advanced avionics etc... and is more expensive than su-35.

There is one Rafale with an AESA, amazing. The Rafale has a better rate of climb, again amazing, the SU-35 does just about everything else better.

As for 'advanced avionics' that is a vague term that I can also apply to the SU-35.

Read the whole article.. they are complaining... tht its going the war of gorky... with 115% increase in price... which was originally 40 million $..

Don't change the subject, I does not matter if some journalists are complaining about price. You made the claim that there is no SU-30 that cost 100 million, you were wrong.

I price (42 million$) of J-10A i quoted was from 2010... while the price of the latest indian mig-29 is from 2013.. surely conversion of current currency rates should be considered.. while the cost of the latest J-10B would much higher... and hope you considered the fact that myanmar had been using mig-29s since long also... so i dont know how you stand corrected.

Who was talking about the J-10B, who even cares? We are talking about the Mig-29 and J-10A, and their prices.

During the saudi trials it till targets at the range of 4000m:

So this supposed tank that is superior to the T-90 hit targets at half the range of the T-90? Do you see how you are not helping yourself?

Previous it used a modified KBA-3 series gun.... which was replaced by a french gun... now HIT has produced indigenous gun which has greater range:

Where are the figures? You first took a cheap shot at the T-90 saying that the AK is the better tank, when proven it's firepower, range, and protection were inferior you resort to vague statements about hoe the new AK is better.

Again im repeating myself that a new DU round has been developed.

So were are the figures? 550mm for the pakistani made sabot was embarrassing, surly they can improve on original but until you can provide real figures that prove it can compete with the latest Sabot round from Russia you have no credibility when you make statements saying the Al-Khalid is the better tank.

No ... i didnt.. can you post a link..

http://www.afsec.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-080114-063.pdf

Yet they are flying worlds most sophisticated aircrafts and are developing unmanned 6th generation fighters... have super carriers... etc etc.

Yet you made the claim that Russia has always been inferior, yet I provided a number of examples were the Russians were the first to incorporate PESA, supercalvitating torpedoes, HMS, ect.

Even the F-35 incorporated a VSTOL system that was close to if not nearly identical to the yak-141 system. but of course the Russians are always behind even if their design are eventually copied.

Sure they do... but they dont radically transform 2nd generation tanks into some sort of super 3rd gen mbts.

Upgrading tanks and aircraft to give them the ability to operate day and night, target and hit the enemy at greater ranges and achieve greater accuracy changes everything. Don't act like it's nothing, desert storm was won because of what I mentioned.

They are for recon not bombing..

Tell me something I didn't know, the Georgians had advanced Israeli UAVs while the Russians went without any UAVs. You act like it's nothing, when in reality Recon means everything the the battle field, the Russians would have avoided having a recon aircraft shot down if they used UAVs, they could have avoided a large ambush, they could have easily identified Georgians positions and engaged them in the most effective manner.

But please keep down playing it. No matter what proof I give you that the Georgians used 'western' technology you nearly just brush it off and act like it nothing.

Yes flying su-25s,a bunch of lightly armoured jeeps, upgraded t-72s and limited army on a much much smaller budget... vs russian army with superior aircrafts,more arty systems,numerically superior mbts,missiles and a massive budget.. didnt u also lose 2 jets in friendly fire and more jets than the georgians?not to forget armoured vehicles or APCs....also ur forgetting ossetians and abkhazian troops that were also involved..

Let me repeat this again, the Georgians has better military equipment, it does not matter that the russians had a larger military budget, they sent 19,000 soldiers to fight the entire Georgian military. What is better, a T-72 with Israeli upgrades or a old T-62, an SU-25 with Israeli avionics or an anolog SU-25, Israeli UAVs or no UAVs.

 

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There is one Rafale with an AESA, amazing. The Rafale has a better rate of climb, again amazing, the SU-35 does just about everything else better.

As for 'advanced avionics' that is a vague term that I can also apply to the SU-35.

Yes compare the price of a rafael to su-35.

Don't change the subject, I does not matter if some journalists are complaining about price. You made the claim that there is no SU-30 that cost 100 million, you were wrong.

Yes the ones with AESA,israeli avonics etc... which we have yet to see.

Who was talking about the J-10B, who even cares? We are talking about the Mig-29 and J-10A, and their prices.

Actually we compared the latest version of mig-29 against J-10... Again the price of a J-10B is 53 million a pop! compare that to 32-33 something mig-29K.

So this supposed tank that is superior to the T-90 hit targets at half the range of the T-90? Do you see how you are not helping yourself?

It was a reference about its accuracy.

Where are the figures? You first took a cheap shot at the T-90 saying that the AK is the better tank, when proven it's firepower, range, and protection were inferior you resort to vague statements about hoe the new AK is better.

Surely you compared it to the latest version of T-90 didnt you? so should we compare the new T-90 to the basic AK?

So were are the figures? 550mm for the pakistani made sabot was embarrassing, surly they can improve on original but until you can provide real figures that prove it can compete with the latest Sabot round from Russia you have no credibility when you make statements saying the Al-Khalid is the better tank.

You wont find specs... but here is probably a new DU round shown in 2012:

http://www.afsec.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-080114-063.pdf

Bird strikes,pilot errors etc... and thousands of them were produced!

F-16s set new safety record
By Mike Nipper

The U.S. Air Force F-16 fleet achieved its safest flying year in history during the 2004 fiscal year that ended at the end of September. The USAF fleet consists of more than 1,200 aircraft assigned to the Air National Guard, Air Force Reserve and four major commands of the active Air Force. Two aircraft were lost in 350,000 flight hours during the period, which results in a mishap rate of 0.57 per 100,000 flight hours.

In comparison, the previous best fiscal year was in 2002, with rates per 100,000 flight hours of 1.37 for losses and 1.90 for Class A mishaps. (Class A flight mishaps, meaning those involving more than $1 million in damage or loss of life, but may not necessarily result in a destroyed aircraft.) The USAF F-16’s cumulative safety record over more than seven million flight hours in 28 years is 3.86 losses and 3.98 Class A mishaps per 100,000 flight hours.

During this recent 12-month period, a significant portion of the USAF F-16 flying hours were performed under demanding peacekeeping and combat missions around the globe, including missions over the Balkans, Iraq and Afghanistan, plus continued homeland defense missions in the United States.

The F-16 mishap rate has continued to improve due to enhancements in the aircraft systems, operating and maintenance procedures, and training of maintenance personnel and pilots.

The F-16 has the distinction of being the safest single-engine fighter and safest multirole fighter in USAF history and has the global reputation of being one of the safest fighters ever.

Yet you made the claim that Russia has always been inferior, yet I provided a number of examples were the Russians were the first to incorporate PESA, supercalvitating torpedoes, HMS, ect.

And americans were the first to land on the moon... make a 5th gen fighter and so on..

Even the F-35 incorporated a VSTOL system that was close to if not nearly identical to the yak-141 system. but of course the Russians are always behind even if their design are eventually copied.

Lol.. are you telling me that US copied the VSTOL systems of a cancelled soviet fighter into a 200+ million 5th gen jets?

Upgrading tanks and aircraft to give them the ability to operate day and night, target and hit the enemy at greater ranges and achieve greater accuracy changes everything. Don't act like it's nothing, desert storm was won because of what I mentioned.

You also used T-72Bs and BMs along with other tanks and that too in large numbers are compared to the georgians.?

Tell me something I didn't know, the Georgians had advanced Israeli UAVs while the Russians went without any UAVs. You act like it's nothing, when in reality Recon means everything the the battle field, the Russians would have avoided having a recon aircraft shot down if they used UAVs, they could have avoided a large ambush, they could have easily identified Georgians positions and engaged them in the most effective manner.

Dont tell me russia didnt use UAVs!

But please keep down playing it. No matter what proof I give you that the Georgians used 'western' technology you nearly just brush it off and act like it nothing.





Let me repeat this again, the Georgians has better military equipment, it does not matter that the russians had a larger military budget, they sent 19,000 soldiers to fight the entire Georgian military. What is better, a T-72 with Israeli upgrades or a old T-62, an SU-25 with Israeli avionics or an anolog SU-25, Israeli UAVs or no UAVs

And not azbakhian and ossetian fighters supported the russians? georgians were outnumbered and i can give a million sources!... as for upgraded t-72... tell me what good are they when confronted with a larger tank fleet outnumbering them? and dont tell me su-27s were not used...or su-34s? or how about iskander missiles vs no missiles?

 

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Desert fighter < Dude tell me that you have been playing too much of Battlefield or Call of Duty games.
The real world arround you is however differrent from the world in those games.
Russian technology is in many cases far superior to the Western one.

As a matter of fact, Pakistani army is using some of the technology like Mil helicopters, T-80 tanks, RD-33 engines in JF-17 fighter.
Does that mean that your army experts have willingly accepted "****"?

Yes compare the price of a rafael to su-35.

Rafale is considered to be a good fighter, but not the best.
Title of the best for the 4th generation belongs to guess who.... Su-35.
AESA radar on Rafale is still in the field of experiment.
Not much is known about the Su-35 Artifical intellect, but judging from the fact that Russians were able to automate certain processes, ease the workload on the pilot and make an attack helicopter single seated (Ka-50),
then the software of the Su-35 must really be well advanced - i have no doubt about that. I personally would not be surprised if the plane would be able to monitor pilot status through life support systems, and in case of loss of consciousness to land autonomously.
But i admit thats a speculation on my part.

Yes the ones with AESA,israeli avonics etc... which we have yet to see.

However point proven - there is a model with price higher than 100 Mil $.
Beside price is not really an indication how inferior/superior the product is.
It is an indication how much effort has been put to make the product superior - however it still needs to be proven in the battlefield to see if the outcome was sucessfull or not.
And americans are not particularly good at turning money into good results - or atleast not as efficient as Russians.
One small example: NASA spent huge amount of money to make a pen that would be able to write in space - what did Russians do?
They took a pencil.

Actually we compared the latest version of mig-29 against J-10... Again the price of a J-10B is 53 million a pop! compare that to 32-33 something mig-29K.

And since when is the Mig-29K the last version?
Isn't that Mig-35?
And since when is a lower price of the airplane a disadvantage?

And americans were the first to land on the moon... make a 5th gen fighter and so on..

So what? Russians have had the first satelite in space, first man in space, first woman in space, first free spacewalk, first space station, even first military space station.
Did you know they had military space station?
Google "Almaz"

Lol.. are you telling me that US copied the VSTOL systems of a cancelled soviet fighter into a 200+ million 5th gen jets?

LOL? Don't tell me you didn't know that?
Its all over google that Lockeed Martin approached Yakovlev to buy the technology.
Even on the X-35 wikipedia page.

Dont tell me russia didnt use UAVs!

Russia didn't have any MALE or HALE UAVs by the time conflict in S.Osethia erupted.
That has all changed since then.


Russians have pretty advanced technology in many areas.
Like the supercavity torpedo Shkval VA-111, they even have antitorpedo torpedo called Paket-E/NK - west is nowhere near in this field.
They first developed and deployed ERA bricks, they have the first antisattelite weapons.
First antiballistic missile defence system. First tank active protection system Drozd.
Even the lates aircraft developments are very promising.
PAK-FA is already now a better fighter, despite not being in production.
F-22 is facing unresolved problems with Oxygen supply system - again all over google.
Normally when stealth fighters would have met in the air the possibility of dogfight would have been higher than normal, because they would be able to detect each other from a relatively small distance and if the Raptor can't supply its pilot enough oxygen during thrust vectoring turn arround 8-9Gs sustained or 12Gs momentarily,
it would fall down from the sky like a solid rock, because the pilot would suffer from Hypoxia. That said everything without a single missile fired by T-50.
Yet there is another surprise in store for the Raptor folks.
The final PAK-FA product will be equipped with L-band radar together with AESA.
PAK-FA would see the Raptor comming long time before Raptor would see the Ruskie.
Guess who will have the first firing opportunity - a hint: It wont be raptor fella


Oh and lets not forget about the F-35:
"F35 JSF Stealth or How the West was Lost.flv" - check this out on youtube and you will not be so keen to mention that program as being "advanced" or "superior".
Having said that - Russian counterpart is coming down the line: Google Mikoyan LMFS.

So all in all - in many aspects it seems that America is the "****" one here.
I hope you will be able to comprehend everything what i have just stated in my post.