Russia & China to challenge NATO

[ChineseTiger1986]

Also time for Pakisan to exit from the non-Nato Ally Status. There has been no benefit for Pakistan in this. Improving our relations with Central Asian States, Russia, Iran and other countires closer to us.

We should also keep realtions with the US and EU, but our relations with closer countries should be improved upon.

It is better for Pakistan is stay neutral, and openly pissing off Nato won't do any good for Pakistan.

 

[HROBOS]

Please... That's like the Americans saying that NATO doctrine is superior because they beat the soviet model Iraqi army twice... None of those two wars had any chance of turning out differently.

There are quite significant differences.
Example. Iraq at the time of the invasion of NATO troops
1. Had no Russian military instructors.
2. Had no significant political support from outside.
3. All the Iraqi military was at 70-s (no significant upgrades).

Georgia at the time of the five-day war
1. The presence of foreign experts + years of training.
2. Political and information support to the west.
3. Modernization of the weapons by foreign firms + informational support (satellite and esm)
Russia did not have the quantitative benefits, conceded as weapons (eg tanks T-62, the main task of the troops in the Caucasus-antiterrorist. Most modern systems of T-80 T-90 and other deployed on the western borders)

I repeat once more. The differences are significant.

 

[CardSharp]

I repeat once more. The differences are significant.

I'm sure to you they are.

 

[Jade]

The times are about trade and economy and not about blocs...

 

[HROBOS]

I'm sure to you they are.

Not all agree with you.

 

[ovarel]

do russia and china get along well regarding central asia?Doesnt china challenge russian influence there?

 

[CardSharp]

do russia and china get along well regarding central asia?Doesnt china challenge russian influence there?

Mostly cooperative from what I can read. Gas piplines, terrorism, keeping America out, all common interest it looks like

 

[huzihaidao12]

The five-day war with Georgia has shown the real balance of power on the Eurasian continent. Trained on the model of the NATO Georgian army was destroyed by Russian forces a few days. Fast victory for Russia in the war revealed the impotence of NATO near Russian borders.

Boast not a good thing, sir. I'm sure the Russian military did not so optimistic as you.

 

[HROBOS]

do russia and china get along well regarding central asia?Doesnt china challenge russian influence there?

If you take the Central Asia (five ex-Soviet republics), Russia considers its sphere of its vital interests. Russia will not allow the growing influence in the region from other countries. By analogy with China (Tibet, Inner Mongolia, Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region. The only difference in the number of people.
1. China can assimilate in the long run these people.
2. Russia lost a lot of people in the XX century. Central Asian population is growing rapidly. Advantageous to have an impact on them, than directly include in its membership. (Many Russian returned to his homeland. The only exception is Kazakhstan. Where Russian is from 40 to 50%. In case of conflict, they will go with the territory).
Russia is not opposed to the presence in the region from other countries. But only within certain limits.

 

[HROBOS]

Boast not a good thing, sir. I'm sure the Russian military did not so optimistic as you.

C seven years, I have a hobby. This study of history (mostly military part of it). Now I have a little time. However, apart from the internet I spend time reading books. Not much, but 1 - 2 books a week for stories I read. Regarding the five-day war. I have specifically studied the issue. Including reading and memoirs of participants from different sides. I do not claim exclusive right. However, with you I do not agree. There was a lot different specific nuances. In general, the operation of Russian troops was quite successful.

 

[HROBOS]

Mostly cooperative from what I can read. Gas piplines, terrorism, keeping America out, all common interest it looks like

In general terms. Yes.

 

[tvsram1992]

NATO has over a trillion dollar budget where as Russia and China combined constitutes to a mere 160 billion.
There is no comparison.

They will have to challenge NATO with hopes and dreams lol.

But reverse in area of land and no of army strength.

 

[indian dream]

Challenging NATO is almost impossible...

When US,UK,France,German fought on shoulder to shoulder its not easy to challenge them...

NATO has 28 countries as members... Any mess with NATO can suffer the economy...

 

[huzihaidao12]

C seven years, I have a hobby. This study of history (mostly military part of it). Now I have a little time. However, apart from the internet I spend time reading books. Not much, but 1 - 2 books a week for stories I read. Regarding the five-day war. I have specifically studied the issue. Including reading and memoirs of participants from different sides. I do not claim exclusive right. However, with you I do not agree. There was a lot different specific nuances. In general, the operation of Russian troops was quite successful.

Like I said, not so optimistic about the performance of the Russian troops in Georgia war. just to get a result for the victory, it is not worth mentioning, the key lies in the process. If the performance of the Russian armed forces have the same or less on an equal opponent . I suggest that you should not have optimism.

 

[huzihaidao12]

If you take the Central Asia (five ex-Soviet republics), Russia considers its sphere of its vital interests. Russia will not allow the growing influence in the region from other countries. By analogy with China (Tibet, Inner Mongolia, Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region. The only difference in the number of people.
1. China can assimilate in the long run these people.
2. Russia lost a lot of people in the XX century. Central Asian population is growing rapidly. Advantageous to have an impact on them, than directly include in its membership. (Many Russian returned to his homeland. The only exception is Kazakhstan. Where Russian is from 40 to 50%. In case of conflict, they will go with the territory).
Russia is not opposed to the presence in the region from other countries. But only within certain limits.

I do not think can compare the five Central Asian States to Tibet or Xinjiang. You are Russia, but Soviet. Of course, every country needs to respect the bear site, but the bottom line is that bears need to have sufficient strength, then this are different, because the five Central Asian countries is an independent country, if Russia can provide satisfactory conditions, then there will be no big problem, but if Russia can not pay good condition, then the five Central Asian countries will use other countries to balance Russia control. This is the reason for the U.S. influence in Central Asia. In other words, in such conditions, if Russia still wants to keep control, need to transactions and other countries. Even the five Central Asian countries, Russia can not so simple just depends on your own thoughts.

China's advantage is that we do not challenge Russia in the security and internal affairs, China's goal is only resource, and we will provide sufficient investment. Therefore, China and Russia's cooperation is mutual interest. However, it is for this reason that Russia has can not completely as the five Central Asian countries as fully dependent state. you still want to keep your own goals, need to pay.