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BRIC countries are no longer developing contries, they should rather be called Growth 8, maintains Goldman Sachs Assets head Jim O’Neill.

Analysts’ forecasts for the Western economy in 2012 are not comforting: the threat of recession in Europe and uncertain prospects for the United States. Against this background the fairly high rate of GDP growth in developing countries suggests that their share in the world economy will increase faster than expected. The head of Goldman Sachs Assets, Jim O’Neill, credited with coming up with the term BRIC, believes that the traditional distinction between developed and developing countries is outdated. China, Russia, India, Brazil, Turkey, Mexico, South Korea and Indonesia are no longer developing countries. He suggests that these markets, which cannot yet be called industrial powers, be called Growth 8. He predicts that the combined GDP of these eight countries will account for about a third of the world economy by 2020. The G7 countries – Germany, the United States, Japan, Great Britain, Canada, France and Italy – will account for just over 40%.



“The share of the developing countries in the total growth of the world economy will continue to increase. Indeed, not only their contribution to global growth, but their influence on financial markets will grow. Besides, they have a major untapped potential, i.e. the role of regional and reserve currencies that has not yet materialised, but will be exceptionally important in the future,” echoes Yaroslav Lisovolik, chief economist at Deutsche Bank. The prospects for the four original BRIC countries, he believes, are particularly promising. “The development of infrastructure, growing investments, consumption, the swelling ranks of the middle class (especially in China) and faster growth of investments in the basic assets of companies compared with other regions, all aid this, Mr Lisovolik told RBC Daily. “In the coming decade they will grow faster than the economies of developed countries. Such countries as Turkey, Mexico and South Korea can be grouped in the same category. They have similar macro indicators, for example, the investment growth potential and demographics.”



Growth 8, of course, will not seek to become a formal organisation. It is just the recognition of the fact that more and more developing countries are catching up on the Western economies in a number of areas. One can mention at least two financial and economic indicators where they are ahead of the G7. First, the rate of GDP growth: JP Morgan predicts that these developing countries will grow by 4.6% in 2012 whereas Europe is in for a recession and the United States will grow by 1.8% . “The current global economic slowdown may affect the growth of these emerging countries, but only in the short term. We have seen something similar during the previous crisis,” Julian Jessop, the chief economist of Capital Economics told RBC Daily.



Secondly, developing countries boast a low level of national debt. In 2011 the industrialised countries owed 104% of their GDP while the emerging countries just 36%, and the latter are the main creditors of the former, the German Handelsblatt writes.



Many analysts point to the potential of the stock markets in developing countries. “They are still growing at three times the rate of the industrialised states, which will sooner or later make a difference to the incomes and share prices of the local companies, notes Mark Mobius, stock market manager with Franklin Templeton Investments. He points out that in the eight out of the last ten years emerging markets registered better results than developed ones, and there is no reason why that trend should change. Even so, those who wish to invest in Growth 8 have to bear in mind the serious risks, Handelsblatt warns. The chief ones among them are inflation and geopolitical problems. Many emerging countries, in the first place China, face the danger of overheated economy. Thus, China has to control growth to curb inflation and prevent possible bubbles (in the real estate and stock markets). Political upheavals, such as armed conflicts and change of government, may also have a serious impact on the Growth 8 stock market and GDP growth rate.

Russia and India no longer emerging economies | Russia & India Report
 
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Tomorrow some one would say Nigeria no longer developing country, Somalia is emerging country, Phillipines is newly-industrialised country (which is even confirmed in Wiki). So funny.

I find it is hard to swallow when South Korea, a high-tech and highly advanced country, with top-notch education and technology, is called a developing, emerging etc., when pretty backward countries like Greece, Portugal, etc. are called "developed", just because they have higher per capita GDP. By this standard, Qatar and Brunei are far more "developed" than US.

I would see China, Russia, North Korea, are "developed" countries with low GDP per capita, because their people are "developed" people (high IQ, generally highly educated, highly disciplined, highly organized, hard-working), and most of Southern Europe should be called "developing" countries with high GDP per capita. Their population are much more like other developing countries (lower IQ, undisciplined, chaotic, fun-loving, lazy etc) in compared with "developed" countries. They may be called "educated" but not really "developed" and sophisticated in my opinion).
 
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Tomorrow some one would say Nigeria no longer developing country, Somalia is emerging country, Phillipines is newly-industrialised country (which is even confirmed in Wiki). So funny.

I find it is hard to swallow when South Korea, a high-tech and highly advanced country, with top-notch education and technology, is called a developing, emerging etc., when pretty backward countries like Greece, Portugal, etc. are called "developed", just because they have higher per capita GDP. By this standard, Qatar and Brunei are far more "developed" than US.

I would see China, Russia, North Korea, are "developed" countries with low GDP per capita, because their people are "developed" people (high IQ, generally highly educated, highly disciplined, highly organized, hard-working), and most of Southern Europe should be called "developing" countries with high GDP per capita. Their population are much more like other developing countries (lower IQ, undisciplined, chaotic, fun-loving, lazy etc) in compared with "developed" countries. They may be called "educated" but not really "developed" and sophisticated in my opinion).

South Korea is of cause a developing nation, no doubt about it.

High-tech, what a joke, S.Korean can make cellphones, tvs, but do we have everything from iPad to iPhone made in China? China is a developing country which still put man in Space. this catagory includes Russia, India, Brazil, etc.

South Korean is no better than Turkey, Indonesia for most. Turkey has influence in ME, Indonesia has Asean. They are both more influential than South Korea.
 
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South Korea is of cause a developing nation, no doubt about it.

High-tech, what a joke, S.Korean can make cellphones, tvs, but do we have everything from iPad to iPhone made in China? China is a developing country which still put man in Space. this catagory includes Russia, India, Brazil, etc.

South Korean is no better than Turkey, Indonesia for most. Turkey has influence in ME, Indonesia has Asean. They are both more influential than South Korea.

Hi-tech and influence is different. Switzeland may be not as influential in Europe as Nigeria in Africa, but Switzeland is more advanced than Nigeria. I guess you understand.

China and Korea are now both hi-tech countries, although being relatively poor. They lead the world in a number of technologies, no matter what Western press love to blah blah about their copying. Korea excel in electronics. Apple, Nokia and various other firms depend on them for hardware technologies. China is world leader in Solar industry, wind power industry, battery, high-speed rail., etc.

In 2011, Korea ranked fifth in the world of patent filing (according to WIPO), just behind US, Japan, Germany, China and far ahead of UK, France etc.
 
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How much investment exposure does Goldman Sachs have in Russia and India? Does this guy have an ulterior motive to push up the value of his firm's investments?

How is this guy any different from a snake oil salesman peddling his wares at a country fair?
 
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I think a country's % share in world economy is a good benchmark to categorize them into emerging or developed is the ideal way .

No yardstick is ideal , however All other means would have more loopholes than categorizing based on "% share in world economy"
 
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Hi-tech and influence is different. Switzeland may be not as influential in Europe as Nigeria in Africa, but Switzeland is more advanced than Nigeria. I guess you understand.

China and Korea are now both hi-tech countries, although being relatively poor. They lead the world in a number of technologies, no matter what Western press love to blah blah about their copying. Korea excel in electronics. Apple, Nokia and various other firms depend on them for hardware technologies. China is world leader in Solar industry, wind power industry, battery, high-speed rail., etc.

In 2011, Korea ranked fifth in the world of patent filing (according to WIPO), just behind US, Japan, Germany, China and far ahead of UK, France etc.

Korea isn't that good. Ever think about why the Koreans trade defeciet with Japan goes up as their overall trade goes up? You guessed correctly: Most of Korean technology depends on Japanese technology - the process machinery that makes everything is Made in Japan.

China is only high tech in military, telecom, energy and capital machinery. Even in capital machinery, our primary products are less high tech thing, but of course still pretty high tech and important, like stampers, CNC machine tools, textile machinery, industrial printers, power turbines, things like that. In telecom, we are ranked #1 but can be replaced at any time.

Only 3 countries in the world can produce semiconductor process machinery to world standards: USA, Japan, Netherlands. Only 4 countries in the world can produce chemical analytical instrumentation at world standards: USA, Japan, Russia, Netherlands.

Both Korea and China have very weak pharmaceutical sectors as well. I work in pharmaceutical manufacture, the industry is currently dominated by Europeans and will be for the forseeable future. This is due to the "Great Wall of Patents" and regulatory hurdles.

The only technology fields that China have complete iron grips on from process machinery to marketing is telecom equipment, solid state optics (look up Anwell Technologies) and solar energy. I don't even know what Korea completely controls, it seems everything they do leads back to Japan.

I personally think consumer goods are not that important and the most important thing is capital machinery. This may be the communist mentality but it has been shown time and time again that the countries that make consumer goods only will always be slaves.
 
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Korea isn't that good. Ever think about why the Koreans trade defeciet with Japan goes up as their overall trade goes up? You guessed correctly: Most of Korean technology depends on Japanese technology - the process machinery that makes everything is Made in Japan.

China is only high tech in military, telecom, energy and capital machinery. Even in capital machinery, our primary products are less high tech thing, but of course still pretty high tech and important, like stampers, CNC machine tools, textile machinery, industrial printers, power turbines, things like that. In telecom, we are ranked #1 but can be replaced at any time.

Only 3 countries in the world can produce semiconductor process machinery to world standards: USA, Japan, Netherlands. Only 4 countries in the world can produce chemical analytical instrumentation at world standards: USA, Japan, Russia, Netherlands.

Both Korea and China have very weak pharmaceutical sectors as well. I work in pharmaceutical manufacture, the industry is currently dominated by Europeans and will be for the forseeable future. This is due to the "Great Wall of Patents" and regulatory hurdles.

The only technology fields that China have complete iron grips on from process machinery to marketing is telecom equipment, solid state optics (look up Anwell Technologies) and solar energy. I don't even know what Korea completely controls, it seems everything they do leads back to Japan.

I personally think consumer goods are not that important and the most important thing is capital machinery. This may be the communist mentality but it has been shown time and time again that the countries that make consumer goods only will always be slaves.
I would not include Russia if I were you... They have gone down in tech after the fall of soviets and are struggling to keep up compared to US, Japan etc,,
 
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I would not include Russia if I were you... They have gone down in tech after the fall of soviets and are struggling to keep up compared to US, Japan etc,,

They truly can produce chemical instrumentation. I used a NTMDT AFM before. State of the art machine and cheaper than everything else on the market. In niche areas like nuclear power, jet engines and metallurgy, yes, they are very advanced. In others, they have always been behind.
 
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I would not include Russia if I were you... They have gone down in tech after the fall of soviets and are struggling to keep up compared to US, Japan etc,,

Well I disagree with you, their main problem was money for research and development after the fall of Soviet Union because of economic chaos.
 
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I would not include Russia if I were you... They have gone down in tech after the fall of soviets and are struggling to keep up compared to US, Japan etc,,

I Second that.
 
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As far as I know, in 2011, Korea rank ahead of the US in exporting machine tools. And the US depends alot on Japan too for precise machinery and technologies. I do not know about chemical analytic instrumentation, but the US now lag behind Japan, China (maybe even Taiwan) in 5-axis CNC machines technology. This type of machinery is one of the most important in metal working.
 
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