Rouhani in Moscow

[Cthulhu]

There is a difference between foreign military base and allowing a foreign power to use Iranian bases as staging areas.

Iran is not allowing the Russians to build and operate military bases in Iran, but Iran is allowing them to use Iranian bases.

Giving it to foreign force on a lease term is against the constitution. Having them use our airbases for staging or refueling is not against the constitution. Iran owns the bases while giving service to the bombers and their crew. Why shouldn't Iran do that if it helps to win the war in Syria?

There is no difference, you are just fooling your selves. The sprite of article is clear about that we should not allow any foreign military to use our soil at any costs, even if it is for peaceful purposes. Do you think The meaning of this article is that we shouldn't let foreign powers to build military bases in Iran, we should give them pre-built bases? Giving Russians military bases is really dangerous and is last thing one in his right mind should do in Iran. If this government wants to to this, this is clearly a treason and Hassan Rohani and anyone who is involved in this must be hanged for treason.

 

[Arminkh]

There is no difference, you are just fooling your selves. The sprite of article is clear about that we should not allow any foreign military to use our soil at any costs, even if it is for peaceful purposes. Do you think The meaning of this article is that we shouldn't let foreign powers to build military bases in Iran, we should give them pre-built bases? Giving Russians military bases is really dangerous and is last thing one in his right mind should do in Iran. If this government wants to to this, this is clearly a treason and Hassan Rohani and anyone who is involved in this must be hanged for treason.

We are not giving them our bases. They are not controlling our bases. Its like having Russian, Chinese, Indian and Pakistani naval fleet to berth at our ports. It doesn't mean we have given them our ports. We are using their ports as well when our fleet sail to higher seas.

 

[SubWater]

We are not giving them our bases. They are not controlling our bases. Its like having Russian, Chinese, Indian and Pakistani naval fleet to berth at our ports. It doesn't mean we have given them our ports. We are using their ports as well when our fleet sail to higher seas.

seriously, you can not compare Naval fleet visit from foreign country with deploying heavy foreign Bomber in our bases.

 

[zestokryl]

You may brag about anything related with Russia, but without Russia, Assads regime would had turned to pieces

Iran has assisted Assad in crucial moments when goverment complex in Damascus was in stake, but without russian air force and firepower Syria wasnt capable of doing anything in Aleppo, Latakia, Palmyra ...

If you have had serious fore power russian help would not been needed. All you had are minor IRGC units and mercenaries. They are useful in defence , but worthless in attack without being backed by firepower

 

[yavar]

Giving it to foreign force on a lease term is against the constitution. Having them use our airbases for staging or refueling is not against the constitution. Iran owns the bases while giving service to the bombers and their crew. Why shouldn't Iran do that if it helps to win the war in Syria?

اصل ۱۴۶- استقرار هر گونه پايگاه نظامي خارجي در كشور هر چند به عنوان استفاده‏هاي صلح‏آميز باشد ممنوع است.

Chapter IX [Article 113 to 151]: The Executive Power
Article 146 [No Foreign Military Bases]

"...[F]oreign military bases in Iran, even for peaceful purposes, is forbidden."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran

We are not giving them our bases. They are not controlling our bases. Its like having Russian, Chinese, Indian and Pakistani naval fleet to berth at our ports. It doesn't mean we have given them our ports. We are using their ports as well when our fleet sail to higher seas.

seriously, you can not compare Naval fleet visit from foreign country with deploying heavy foreign Bomber in our bases.

Russia can use Iranian military bases ‘on case by case basis,’ Tehran confirms

https://www.rt.com/news/382523-russia-iran-bases-use/

please . look it doesn't matter what Zarif says . . it means absolute Zero .
for then to reload or been in Iranian air base it requires national security council Iran approval which so far they have not approved such thing .


so please for 100000 time Russia planes can get refueled ONLY on bases case by cases on approval Irans national security council . so nothing been given or taken .

don't worry about what zarif says , he says a lot of things, He saying we haven't sent troops to Syria and we not involved in Yemen ++++++. trust me in Iran there's a lot of position with regard anything to do with Russia . just empty words is not up to him no actiion

 

[Arminkh]

You may brag about anything related with Russia, but without Russia, Assads regime would had turned to pieces

Iran has assisted Assad in crucial moments when goverment complex in Damascus was in stake, but without russian air force and firepower Syria wasnt capable of doing anything in Aleppo, Latakia, Palmyra ...

If you have had serious fore power russian help would not been needed. All you had are minor IRGC units and mercenaries. They are useful in defence , but worthless in attack without being backed by firepower

Russian help in Syria has been invaluable. Furthermore, it was a great starting point for two countries to experience real cooperation. We have been neighbors for more than 3 centuries but I think this is the first time where both countries were fighting a common enemy. Which is a great trust building process.

Having said that, Iran didn't enter Syria in full capacity. The reason was sending actual army divisions to Syria would give Iran's Arab enemies the excuse to call it a sectarian war. This is something Iran will avoid at all cost. Ironically enough, Arabs are not that sensitive to a Christian nation interfering and that's why Russia's move to use its air force in Syria was welcomed by both Iran and Syria.

Otherwise, Iran could use its own air force and military directly and achieve the same.

 

[Star Expedition]

The topic can only be Mr trump

 

[zestokryl]

Having said that, Iran didn't enter Syria in full capacity. The reason was sending actual army divisions to Syria would give Iran's Arab enemies the excuse to call it a sectarian war

Iran entered Syria , overall in minor capacity with deploying more or less significant military presence only in Damascus and Aleppo. Prior to russian intervention Nusra was in Ghmam latakian village , being able to shell Latakia from there. In regard of sectarianism, this is partially sectarian conflict indeed, buth not a true reason for the syrian conflict

There are no way sunni extermists in whatever county are going to change theirs sentiment toward Iran. So, I dont see a reason for concern related, what they thing of any iranian action in particular. Iranian reluctance to aid Assad more actively led to an almost regime colapse in autumn- summer of 2015

 

[Cthulhu]

We are not giving them our bases. They are not controlling our bases. Its like having Russian, Chinese, Indian and Pakistani naval fleet to berth at our ports. It doesn't mean we have given them our ports. We are using their ports as well when our fleet sail to higher seas.

Did you really compare Naval fleet visit from a foreign country with giving Russians access to our bases?
Seriously though, Giving Russians access to our bases is dangerous, and here's why. The U.S and Europeans came head to head with the Russians over Ukraine and Crimea, and that was the fault of Hilary Clinton, Barack Obama and the Europeans who worked successfully to overthrow a pro-Russian government in Ukraine in the idiot name of democracy, now what did Putin do? He took back Crimea, which is the base for his black sea fleet. I would have done it, he did exactly the right thing from Russia first perspective. Now as i've said, what the Russians want is access to the hot waters through bases in Persian gulf and gulf of Oman. Now if we manage to give them access to our bases, Right after they will start interfering with our domestic polices and if a pro-western government somehow manage to come into power in Iran, there will be possible risk that they separate some parts of Iran so they can have their base for their fleet. I will do that, cause it is exactly the right thing from Russia first perspective. As you can see the article 146 is in the constitution for a really good reason, It's the constitution for God's sake, aren't these guys going to implement their own constitution?
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_Fleet
@yavar , @OldTwilight , @Tokhme khar, @SubWater , @MTN1917

 

[Arminkh]

Iran entered Syria , overall in minor capacity with deploying more or less significant military presence only in Damascus and Aleppo. Prior to russian intervention Nusra was in Ghmam latakian village , being able to shell Latakia from there. In regard of sectarianism, this is partially sectarian conflict indeed, buth not a true reason for the syrian conflict

There are no way sunni extermists in whatever county are going to change theirs sentiment toward Iran. So, I dont see a reason for concern related, what they thing of any iranian action in particular. Iranian reluctance to aid Assad more actively led to an almost regime colapse in autumn- summer of 2015

Well, having negative sentiments toward Iran is different from having a Shia country sending troops to a Sunni country to fight Sunni extremists. That would give the extremist the motivation they needed to mobilize even a larger fighting force from all around the Muslim world.

And it is even more complicated than that. Having actual Iranian airforce and troops in Syria would not be tolerated by Israel, Jordan and even Turkey. All those countries think Iran is reviving its Persian empire. Iran could not interfere directly or it would turn into a much larger conflict than anyone could handle.

 

[zestokryl]

That would give the extremist the motivation they needed to mobilize even a larger fighting force from all around the Muslim world

Thats disputable . S. Arabia and the company raised a maximal "army" they ve could, since they were counting on imminent Assad fall before the 2012 end

Dont think they could had done anything more than they were in case of greater iranian backed forces. When it comes to iranian AF in Syria you are right. Israel would had strike iranian air wing, since they have airborn missiles with more than 200 km range, so thats not a wise idea

But there are more ways for ground forces support. MLRS and howitzers for example. Fire support projection was not in place for pro Assad forces prior to russian arrival. Iranian leadership should had done more in this plan. Btw, many of the syrian soil was depopulated, as the currently actual nothern Hama. Depopulattion narrows the odds for faking the crimes against civilians in so called "free" media

 

[Tokhme khar]

zesto, he's got a point. Iran has held back because of sensitivities in the Arab world and Iran being seen as an occupier of Arab lands. Specially in a sunni majority country. And this after Iraq, Lebanon and Yemen involvement of Iran. In a way I'm glad Russia understood this issue and decided to get directly involved in Syria.

Thats disputable . S. Arabia and the company raised a maximal "army" they ve could, since they were counting on imminent Assad fall before the 2012 end

Dont think they could had done anything more than they were in case of greater iranian backed forces. When it comes to iranian AF in Syria you are right. Israel would had strike iranian air wing, since they have airborn missiles with more than 200 km range, so thats not a wise idea

But there are more ways for ground forces support. MLRS and howitzers for example. Fire support projection was not in place for pro Assad forces prior to russian arrival. Iranian leadership should had done more in this plan. Btw, many of the syrian soil was depopulated, as the currently actual nothern Hama. Depopulattion narrows the odds for faking the crimes against civilians in so called "free" media

 

[zestokryl]

Its not like Iran was using some friendly arab country as a ground for agression against other arab country. It was an proxy agression against Syria backed by tens of billions of dollars from wahhabi kingstoms

Is it was like : "we are going to help Assad not being toppled, but we wont get mad sunni extremists and butchers". The problem is, iranian actions helped Assad stay in power, but not leading to an madness end. That was the problem with Russia. Russian aid was significant, but came 2 years too late for settling the rebel issue

 

[yavar]

basically just trade deals and signed 14 corporation document for trade .
NOTHING on side of military or armed technology or passenger plane or fighter

NOTHING big ZERO on these apart from one useless helicopter assembly plant

but big win on economy energy tarde on both side if both side stick to there agreement


Iran President Rouhani visit to Russia,Putin,signing document سفر رئیس جمهور ایران روحانی، به روسیه

 

[Tokhme khar]

Ka-226 choppa is good for ambulance heavy lifting and crop spraying, but Iran should purchase the Ka-27 for ship based ASW duty. The giant UH-1/ 214 which looks like 1/3rd the size of the ship!