Rising stars: J-20 & T-50

[tony singh]

Bro there are no major differences between Su-27 and Su-33.. Su-33 is a carrier version of Su-27, both have similar characteristics except for arrestor hook, forward conard, folding wings, upgrading landing gears and some enhancement of engine.

Reverse engineering these features from Su-33!!!???

The J15 I mean uses the SU33 basic airframe.

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China Creates Pirate Copy of Russia?s Su-33 Deck-Based Fighter Jet - English pravda.ru

 

[Emmie]

I think the roles of the fighter is also diffrent for China and Russia.

Yeah considering its size... Watch the video that you have posted in post #16, that Russian guy explains the role of fifth generation aircrafts, very same goes with J-20.

 

[tony singh]

Yeah considering its size, but not to a great deal... Watch the video that you have posted in post #16, that Russian guy explains the role of fifth generation aircrafts, very same goes with J-20.

I want to see how the T50 and J20 deals with the engine nozzles, right now they are not 5th gen when compared to the US fighters.

 

[Emmie]

The J15 I mean uses the SU33 basic airframe.

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China Creates Pirate Copy of Russia?s Su-33 Deck-Based Fighter Jet - English pravda.ru

But China already operates Su-27, a primary source of Su-33..

 

[tony singh]

But China already operates Su-27, a primary source of Su-33..

SU33 is a derivative of the Su-27 Flanker that is true.


The Chinese fighter jet is based on the Soviet T10K training aircraft, which China received from Ukraine. Chinese engineers found it very difficult to solve the problem of folding wings of deck-based fighter jets. Now the problem has been solved.

 

[Emmie]

I want to see how the T50 and J20 deals with the engine nozzles, right now they are not 5th gen when compared to the US fighters.

WS-10G with a new stealth nozzle...

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SU33 is a derivative of the Su-27 Flanker that is true.


The Chinese fighter jet is based on the Soviet T10K training aircraft, which China received from Ukraine. Chinese engineers found it very difficult to solve the problem of folding wings of deck-based fighter jets. Now the problem has been solved.

I think you're not getting my point.. Leave it.

 

[tony singh]

Still compared to the F22 engines they are not in the same level.

 

[Birbal]

I want to see how the T50 and J20 deals with the engine nozzles, right now they are not 5th gen when compared to the US fighters.

I think they consider the increased thrust efficiency and 3d thrust vectoring more important than stealth from the rear. They're probably right.

 

[Birbal]

Still compared to the F22 engines they are not in the same level.

 

[S10]

Still compared to the F22 engines they are not in the same level.

That nozzle has its advantages and disadvantages. It can reduce IR signature and reduce drag, but at the same time reduce thrust. It depends on what you value more, manoevurability or stealth. In China and Russia's case, they want the fastest and most agile plane possible to increase survivability in air combat. With the advancement of radar technology, eventually stealth characteristics of today will be defeated.

Also, J-20's layout is a follow up on the J-9VII (1979-1982), not Mig 1.44. In fact, J-9VII predates Mig 1.44 by more than a decade.

 

[IndoUS]

Can't say much about both aircraft until the final product comes out, right now they are both in development phase and things can change from now till the the end.

 

[Black Widow]

SU33 is a derivative of the Su-27 Flanker that is true.


The Chinese fighter jet is based on the Soviet T10K training aircraft, which China received from Ukraine. Chinese engineers found it very difficult to solve the problem of folding wings of deck-based fighter jets. Now the problem has been solved.

Why are you confused??? T10 was experimental model of Su27. The Sukhoi design buero name "TX" for experimental planes. T10K was also from the same series. The append K for carrier born fighters (like MiG29K). So T10 and T10 K are same, made by same company, on same platform. And the end product are same su27 series (Su27 to 37).

After soviet disintegrate, the Infrastructure was divided among old soviet union countries. In this process Ukrain got Vrayag and some T10K. China bought T10K from Ukrain and copied it to J15. T10K is not space craft made by Ukrain, It was a product of T10 development, so we can assume it from Su27 family...


You are an Indian, let me ask a question. Can you say LCA and NLCA are from two different family????

So talking sence, No matter you copy it from Su27, T10, T10K, T10M or T10 H It will be called copy of Su27...

 

[Black Widow]

T-50 is a cheap rip off of f22-
J-20 is an innovation- -

Rip off .. Innovation ..

 

[Lankan Ranger]

 

[beijingwalker]