Rise of PLAAF : Implications for India

[Indo-guy]

As said in the post above, the crucial point is IAF's lack of AWACS support (we waited too long for DRDO AWACS) and offensive strike capability. That will highly limit IAFs capability to defend our air space and to do pre-emptive strikes beyond the ground based Brahmos range of IA today.

well consummation of MMRCA deal significantly enhance our offensive capability at least to some extent...
and that's why it's so crucial....

But MMRCA will do good to us in only short run .

AMCA has to live up to expectations if we have to have reliable capability vis a vis PLAAF .

 

[sancho]

well consummation of MMRCA deal significantly enhance our offensive capability at least to some extent...
and that's why it's so crucial....

But MMRCA will do good to us in only short run .

AMCA has to live up to expectations if we have to have reliable capability vis a vis PLAAF .

More than MMRCA, the addition of Brahmos and more A50 Phalcons will be important for us. But yes, the minute Rafales will be available, with a credible strike package, our defence capabilities through offensive actions will be far better.
AMCA is a hoax and has no importance to the Indo-Chinese scenario, since it doesn't add anything to IAF, that they wouldn't already have through FGFA and most likely even AURA, while both will be far more capable than AMCA in strike as well.

 

[StormShadow]

Rise of the PLAAF: Implications for India » Indian Defence Review

Sole reason why Akash SAM is being ordered in huge numbers. We are countering it in a gradual manner by deploying SU-30s in Tezpur and heavy work taken up in the north east to improve infrastructure. We have also held trials of tejas specifically in leh. If successful, expect huge deployment in that area which is very cost efficient for us. We may not match china bullet to bullet, but make no mistake, not even an inch of land is goin anywhere.

 

[Indo-guy]

More than MMRCA, the addition of Brahmos and more A50 Phalcons will be important for us. But yes, the minute Rafales will be available, with a credible strike package, our defence capabilities through offensive actions will be far better.
AMCA is a hoax and has no importance to the Indo-Chinese scenario, since it doesn't add anything to IAF, that they wouldn't already have through FGFA and most likely even AURA, while both will be far more capable than AMCA in strike as well.

Rafael and FGFA will do good us only for few decades ...we need to look beyond that .
Besides Rafael , Brahmos , Phalcons etc will those be enough to counter threat posed by PLAAF and PAF together ?
is there anything else besides these conventional air assets that can give us an edge against PLAAF ?

 

[sancho]

Rafael and FGFA will do good us only for few decades ...we need to look beyond that .

Beyond the 3 to 4 decades they will be in operational service? I think that a bit too streched.

Besides Rafael , Brahmos , Phalcons etc will those be enough to counter threat posed by PLAAF and PAF together ?
is there anything else besides these conventional air assets that can give us an edge against PLAAF ?

We can't fight PLAAF and PAF together, but that would lead to an all out war anyway, so no gain for any side. Ground based air defence of course, we need credible defences against, their aircrafts and cruise missiles, one reason why the former IAF chief might have stated that he would prefer the Israeli David Sling system, rather than the Iron Dome that was speculated for us.

P.S. Not directly related on countering PLAAF, but on improving operations is to improve the air lift capability with A400M class aircrafts as I often suggest. Which might give us the capability to not only transport troops to Daulat Beg Oldie like the C130J can, but also more credible stuff like IFVs, howitzers, mortars...

 

[Indo-guy]

Beyond the 3 to 4 decades they will be in operational service? I think that a bit too streched.

We can't fight PLAAF and PAF together, but that would lead to an all out war anyway, so no gain for any side. Ground based air defence of course, we need credible defences against, their aircrafts and cruise missiles, one reason why the former IAF chief might have stated that he would prefer the Israeli David Sling system, rather than the Iron Dome that was speculated for us.

Then why are we saying that we are preparing to fight two front war ?

Sino-Pakistani alliance has really created big headache for us ...

and India necessarily needs to prepare for such scenario ...this is the precise reason why China has been propping up Pakistan to neutralize India through its proxy i.e. Pakistan ...

It's intention to supply Pakistan with newer 4/5th generation fighter aircrafts are meant for this purpose alone .

India needs to therefore factor in the combined strength of PLAAF & PAF while planning to enhance IAF capabilities

 

[sancho]

Then why are we saying that we are preparing to fight two front war ?

Preparing for such a situation is one thing, actually having a solution to fight such large and capable forces is something different and do you expect our forces to admit that they can't do it? Not going to happen and that results as said only into one final solution at the end...

 

[Indo-guy]

Preparing for such a situation is one thing, actually having a solution to fight such large and capable forces is something different and do you expect our forces to admit that they can't do it? Not going to happen and that results as said only into one final solution at the end...

Do we have any choice than prepare for such scenario ?

and by lying to ourselves regarding inability to fight two front war is not going to take us anywhere ...

We can't wish away the Sino-Pakistani synergy to subdue India ....and if that means full scale war ...we need to prepare for that .

and having such capability should be our ultimate aim.

Hopefully economic progress will enable us to undertake such a mammoth task ...

 

[sancho]

Do we have any choice than prepare for such scenario ?

Of course not, defence forces always have to be prepaired for the worst case scenario and that's what they are doing. But we are not the US either and have their capabilities, so even if we prepare ourselfs, the defence we can do conventionally is limited and that makes the nuclear deterrence so important for us to defend us against China, just as Pakistan needs it against us.

What we have to do however is, to make our efforts more efficient and gain more pace in it, the examples I gave a crucial capabilities where we badly lack behind and such things must be dealt faster.

 

[indiatester]

Any mobilization by China is going to be visible because of the lack of cover in TAR. Hence India will have enough time to ensure adequate response and enable enough international pressure to it does not happen.
However the damage that China can inflict on India is far more than what we can to China.

It is in India's interest to use this time to build an economy for a large production facilities and invest more in R&D in critical defence sectors. The article @Indo-guy posted asks us to make aircraft manufacturing profitable by allowing meaningful private participation.

 

[Indo-guy]

Any mobilization by China is going to be visible because of the lack of cover in TAR. Hence India will have enough time to ensure adequate response and enable enough international pressure to it does not happen.
However the damage that China can inflict on India is far more than what we can to China.

It is in India's interest to use this time to build an economy for a large production facilities and invest more in R&D in critical defence sectors. The article @Indo-guy posted asks us to make aircraft manufacturing profitable by allowing meaningful private participation.

we shouldn't depend on any meaningful international help while fighting China or anyone else for that matter ...
China can mobilize at lightening speed owing to their superior infrastructure ...

while we can't match China bullet for bullet , aircraft per aircraft ...we need to have enough to defend our borders ...

But even then that's a tall order.

the disparity between China and India is only going to grow ...as China is on the verge of becoming Developed country in next few decades while India is still far away.

Strong continued economical growth can only be the panacea to all ills that China can bring to us ....

Only economically resurgent India will be able to stand up to and counter China .

 

[Storm Force]

We Need to get back to 7% Growth
Massive WESTERN FDI to give us political support in event of a sino Threat
And finally to main tain a Smaller but more efficient military answer to the massive Chinease threat.