Rise of Kurdistan and its effects on India and Pakistan?

[Tripoli]

4. The Kashmir issue is going to be shortly a non issue as the sensible and long pending action of Pakistan to close its border with Afghanistan for increasing its own security, is going to see an increase in insurrection along Khyber-Paktunkhwa and Balochistan region along lines of Kurdistan demands ... something which all concerned would like to fuel further. My analysis may be wrong, but the de-stabilization of Pakistani provinces as aforementioned are not far off. Will tag @notorious_eagle for his comments too.

I humbly disagree. Please check the civilian casualties after 2014.(post zarb e azb) and compare it in the larger context.
http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/pakistan/database/casualties.htm

 

[Hellfire]

I humbly disagree. Please check the civilian casualties after 2014.(post zarb e azb) and compare it in the larger context.

Request clarify the aspect you disagree with .... is it my statement that there is an increased probabiltiy of insurrection in the aforementioned areas of Pakistan along Kurdistan lines ( a demand for greater Paktunkhwa?) post closure of Torkham and other areas by Pakistan to ensure upgradation of it's own security?

I did say I may be wrong (although my prediction of Turkish posturing and Syria and overall situation prevailing there in the intital stages of conflict itself, was bang on) but the probability is high of such an issue along the lines of Kurdish demands, with added incentives of various regional powers (including and in addition to India) which may try and de-stabilize the area further by fomenting trouble along Pashtun Identity .. Afghans certainly have a grouse as they refuse to acknowledge the Durand Line and consider it a betrayal.

Anyways, for this concerned topic neither India nor Pakistan benefit from even covertly being involved in the Kurdistan issue!

 

[damm1t]

Turkey supports Iraq's soveregnity as one country and has good relations with Northern Iraqi Regional Government at the same time, Barzani supposedly will keep this status since he knows what Turkey thinks about an independent Kurdistan and without Turkey's pipelines that opens to the world NIRG wouldn't sell its oil. Syria is in chaos, Baghdad won't let it happen, Iran is even not an option... So, in the near future it seems impossible if Turkey doesn't change it's strategy on this.

 

[Yaduveer]

What a ridiculous topic actually!!! The territorial integrity of two major powers will be affected by Kurds declaring themselevs a separate nation - Iran and Turkey. Kurds may end up uniting these two over it!!

There is a slight difference though - the Turks have a bigger stake than Iran as proportional effects are higher. It is only relative difference here.

So, IMO:

1. The Kurds will not be allowed an independent homeland as it will further affect the boundaries as existing in the middle east and the stakes are too high for all concerned within and outside the region.

2. The effect of an improbable Kurdistan will result in neither India nor Pakistan recognising it, as also there shall be no bearing on the Kashmir issue.

3. Recognition by India is likely to severely affect the position of India with respect to Kashmir Valley (alone) and by Pakistan will create problem for it in western sector as the Duran Line is also an unilateral line drawwn dividing the Pashtun people ....

4. The Kashmir issue is going to be shortly a non issue as the sensible and long pending action of Pakistan to close its border with Afghanistan for increasing its own security, is going to see an increase in insurrection along Khyber-Paktunkhwa and Balochistan region along lines of Kurdistan demands ... something which all concerned would like to fuel further. My analysis may be wrong, but the de-stabilization of Pakistani provinces as aforementioned are not far off. Will tag @notorious_eagle for his comments too.

If you can not see the writing on the wall ,then it is issue of your eyes.

Barzani: ‘Kurdistan is ripe for independence’
http://rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/230520164

Kurdish independence is coming – but the Kurds themselves have to secure it
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...ds-themselves-have-to-secure-it-a7040736.html


http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...distan-hastening-its-own-journey-independence

http://www.dailysabah.com/mideast/2016/05/25/krg-to-hold-independence-referendum-before-nov

KRG to hold independence referendum before Nov

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

Just because the kurds have some land now in war torn Iraq and Syria it does not mean a "kurdistan" is coming. The first thing you need to know about a "Kurdistan" is that it will not last long. It will be a land locked nation whom the surrounding states will despise and will suffocate it.

Futhermore, there is big variation between Kurds in different states. Even the PJAK terrorist group in Iran never asked for independence, but rather claimed they want "more rights" for Iranian kurds. Don't forget kurds are an Iranic people, but that does not mean Iran will allow kurds to get independence in Turkey, Syria and Iraq. That wont happen.

Central Asia is filled with landlocked countries that aren't on good terms with their immediate neighbors, and yet they've managed to survive until now. The same goes for the landlocked countries of Africa. Things won't be any different for a potential Kurdish state. In fact, if anything, Kurdistan will be many times better off than the landlocked countries of Africa and Central Asia due to the geostrategic importance of its location in the northern parts of the Fertile Crescent. Put simply, the Kurds have absolutely nothing to worry about. Kurdistan can easily survive as a landlocked country. Moreover, Kurdistan will receive a lot of support from Israel and the West. It's no secret that the Israelis are looking for a new non-Arab country to befriend in the region, especially after the collapse of the so-called "peripheral alliance" between Israel, Turkey, and pre-revolutionary Iran.

In my opinion, the Kurds will get their own independent sovereign state (i.e. Kurdistan) in northern Syria and northern Iraq at the very least.

As for the Kurds of Iran and Turkey, they will most likely end up getting their own autonomous regions, in my opinion. The demographic trends are in favor of the Kurds in both countries, by the way.

 

[Tripoli]

Request clarify the aspect you disagree with .... is it my statement that there is an increased probabiltiy of insurrection in the aforementioned areas of Pakistan along Kurdistan lines ( a demand for greater Paktunkhwa?) post closure of Torkham and other areas by Pakistan to ensure upgradation of it's own security?

I did say I may be wrong (although my prediction of Turkish posturing and Syria and overall situation prevailing there in the intital stages of conflict itself, was bang on) but the probability is high of such an issue along the lines of Kurdish demands, with added incentives of various regional powers (including and in addition to India) which may try and de-stabilize the area further by fomenting trouble along Pashtun Identity .. Afghans certainly have a grouse as they refuse to acknowledge the Durand Line and consider it a betrayal.

Anyways, for this concerned topic neither India nor Pakistan benefit from even covertly being involved in the Kurdistan issue!

Your post is not entirely wrong but it does have some flaws which I wish to clear.
There are two pashtun regions in Pakistan. KPK(previously known as the North West Frontier Province) and FATA. KPK which is the largest of the Pashtun regions is overwhelmingly loyal to Pakistan. During the Afghan-Soviet war KPK was the only province of Pakistan which actually complained about the war. It was the one which suffered the most
in terms of refugees because of which the people there were not very fond of Pakistan's policies in Afghanistan even
though those same policies were helping their so called 'blood brothers' in Afghanistan.
My point is that most Pashtuns don't love Afghanistan and they don't want a Pashtun state. Only those who
live in FATA(federally admistered tribal areas) have a strong emotional connection to Afghanistan but even they do not wish for a greater Pashtun state at the expense of Pakistan.
My source: First hand experience

 

[Faravahar]

Central Asia is filled with landlocked countries that aren't on good terms with their immediate neighbors, and yet they've managed to survive until now. The same goes for the landlocked countries of Africa. Things won't be any different for a potential Kurdish state. In fact, if anything, Kurdistan will be many times better off than the landlocked countries of Africa and Central Asia due to the geostrategic importance of its location in the northern parts of the Fertile Crescent. Put simply, the Kurds have absolutely nothing to worry about. Kurdistan can easily survive as a landlocked country. Moreover, Kurdistan will receive a lot of support from Israel and the West. It's no secret that the Israelis are looking for a new non-Arab country to befriend in the region, especially after the collapse of the so-called "peripheral alliance" between Israel, Turkey, and pre-revolutionary Iran.

In my opinion, the Kurds will get their own independent sovereign state (i.e. Kurdistan) in northern Syria and northern Iraq at the very least.

As for the Kurds of Iran and Turkey, they will most likely end up getting their own autonomous regions, in my opinion. The demographic trends are in favor of the Kurds in both countries, by the way.

Seems to me that you're pro Kurdish state and thus fuelled by your fantasies. There is no central Asian states that would be anywhere near comparable to a landlocked Kurdish state. If you think a Kurdish state will be allowed to prosper then you must be deluded.

The zionists should be worried about the rising arab population within their own borders and not peddle fantasies about a "Kurdistan" buddy state. There will never be kurdistan in the way people like you fantasise. Lets just wait and see.

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

Seems to me that you're pro Kurdish state and thus fuelled by your fantasies. There is no central Asian states that would be anywhere near comparable to a landlocked Kurdish state. If you think a Kurdish state will be allowed to prosper then you must be deluded.

The zionists should be worried about the rising arab population within their own borders and not peddle fantasies about a "Kurdistan" buddy state. There will never be kurdistan in the way people like you fantasise. Lets just wait and see.

Looks like I touched a raw nerve. Calm down lol.

 

[Faravahar]

Looks like I touched a raw nerve. Calm down lol.

Just trying to put some sense of reality into you, if anyone needs to calm down it is the one who is overly excised with bunch of fantasies about a "Kurdistan".

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

Just trying to put some sense of reality into you, if anyone needs to calm down it is the one who is overly excised with bunch of fantasies about a "Kurdistan".

Oh my God, calm down lol! You still appear to be upset.

I'm just being realistic/pragmatic.

The Kurds already control northern Iraq and northern Syria. They're not that far from declaring independence.

 

[Faravahar]

Oh my God, calm down lol! You still appear to be upset.

I'm just being realistic/pragmatic.

The Kurds already control northern Iraq and northern Syria. They're not that far from declaring independence.

It seems to me you're the one who is not calm, why else do you keep assuming I am not

You are being realistic by claiming a Kurdish state will be better off than some central Asian states?

I've explained earlier, just because they currently occupy some lands in war torn nation means much less than you think.
Are you sure you're not Kurdish?

 

[Faravahar]

He is upset becouse of this

Kurdistan will be independent this year, Shia militas ca not reach even near Mosul, even tiny Falujja is problem, nobody can prevent that. Kurds in Iraq have support from USA and Turkey, same USA who invaded Iraq in 2003 and lost only 200 men.

Takfiri, still haven't changed your flag? A Kurdistan is as likely as your beloved Islamic state caliphate.

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

It seems to me you're the one who is not calm, why else do you keep assuming I am not

You are being realistic by claiming a Kurdish state will be better off than some central Asian states?

I've explained earlier, just because they currently occupy some lands in war torn nation means much less than you think.
Are you sure you're not Kurdish?

Sigh...

My point was very simple. Kurdistan doesn't need to worry about being landlocked. Central Asia is filled with cash-strapped landlocked countries that are surrounded by hostile neighbors, namely Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan. If they can survive, then I'm sure Kurdistan will do just fine, especially considering the fact that the northern part of the Fertile Crescent has a greater economic and geostrategic importance than places like the Fergana Valley, not to mention the fact that a Kurdish state will be far wealthier than the aforementioned countries.

It's pretty simple, really.

Moreover, Kurdistan can easily be propped up (militarily and economically) by the likes of Israel, the EU and the US. Speaking of the EU, the establishment of a Kurdish state in northern Syria and northern Syria can, ironically, accelerate Turkey's integration with Europe on account of the fact that Kurdistan will replace Turkey as the new buffer state between the EU and the Arab World. As for Israel and the US, they will do their best to prop up Kurdistan in order to use the country as a means to check Iranian and Turkish regional ambitions.

Sooner or later, all people will begin to do business with the Kurds. The Gulf Arabs, as well as the Iraqis, will be forced to have healthy ties with the Kurds in order to pass their oil and gas pipelines to Europe via Kurdistan. Politically speaking, the Kurds will play the Turks and Iranians off against each other.

As for the current situation, unless the US gives Turkey the green light to annex or invade northern Syria, then a Kurdish state stretching from northern Iraq to northern Syria remains a strong possibility. Neither Baghdad nor Damascus has the ability to defeat the Kurds in a potential war, nor do I think the US/West will allow it to happen.

 

[Faravahar]

Sigh...

My point was very simple. Kurdistan doesn't need to worry about being landlocked. Central Asia is filled with cash-strapped landlocked countries that are surrounded by hostile neighbors, namely Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan. If they can survive, then I'm sure Kurdistan will do just fine, especially considering the fact that the northern part of the Fertile Crescent has a greater economic and geostrategic importance than places like the Fergana Valley, not to mention the fact that a Kurdish state will be far wealthier than the aforementioned countries.

It's pretty simple, really.

Moreover, Kurdistan can easily be propped up (militarily and economically) by the likes of Israel, the EU and the US. Speaking of the EU, the establishment of a Kurdish state in northern Syria and northern Syria can, ironically, accelerate Turkey's integration with Europe on account of the fact that Kurdistan will replace Turkey as the new buffer state between the EU and the Arab World. As for Israel and the US, they will do their best to prop up Kurdistan in order to use the country as a means to check Iranian and Turkish regional ambitions.

Sooner or later, all people will begin to do business with the Kurds. The Gulf Arabs, as well as the Iraqis, will be forced to have healthy ties with the Kurds in order to pass their oil and gas pipelines to Europe via Kurdistan. Politically speaking, the Kurds will play the Turks and Iranians off against each other.

As for the current situation, unless the US gives Turkey the green light to annex or invade northern Syria, then a Kurdish state stretching from northern Iraq to northern Syria remains a strong possibility. Neither Baghdad nor Damascus has the ability to defeat the Kurds in a potential war, nor do I think the US/West will allow it to happen.

You keep repeating the same fantasies over and over. No one with any decent IQ would buy these fantasies you present. It makes me wonder if you're indeed a Kurd. You don't even realise how irrational and fantasyesque your assumptions are.

You continue day dreaming about the Kurdish state. Give me a tag when they've succeeded in the creation of this state.

 

[T-123456]

You will trade with them via ?? Look at the map. Ain't they be land locked like Afghanistan ? Iran won't allow any trade threw it at cost of it's own trade.

He couldnt think that far.