Rise of "Islam" in the world

[DarkPrince]

Where does it have the fastest conversion rate? In your house???

If Islam is practiced like today's radical way, you won't see it in 600 years.

brother world is not surviving another 600 years

 

[soldierofallah]

This thread is about reforms in Islam. So stop the fastest conversion rate crap. U maybe right but that's offtopic.

I agree it might be off topic but i have a right to defend my religion if it is misunderstood or targeted bro, am i right.

 

[Desert Fox]

While don't discredit the achievements during Golden age of Islam, but how much of those were actually Persian in nature?

I'd say 90-95% of them were Persian.

 

[PteX]

I agree it might be off topic but i have a right to defend my religion if it is misunderstood or targeted bro, am i right.

You're wrong in many many things. Just the photo in your picture says it all, go educate yourself.

It seems to me that only the Extremist Muslims are willing to fight and kill other Muslims that they think is not Muslim enough and the sane and tolerable Muslims are usually never heard off.
This is why the image of Islam has been tarnished so, the vocal Extremists are much louder.

 

[shiv]

I agree it might be off topic but i have a right to defend my religion if it is misunderstood or targeted bro, am i right.

If an individual wants to practice Islam then so be it. But lets not support the expansion of any religion at gun point or spread false propaganda.

Eg. many of the mullahs in pakistan are of deobandi school of thought. When Deobandis in INDIA came forward to denounce the suicide/bomb attacks as unislamic, their counterparts in PAK conveniently choose to look the other way. why was that so ?
They should have denounced such acts unequivocally so that crack pots cannot twist the writings of Quran and brainwash people to do suicide attacks.

 

[Armstrong]

@ Bilal :
Mate, the problem with your approach, in my humble opinion, is that if we go down that path of ostracizing a particular group we may end up becoming the very things we swore to protect ourselves against - a certain brand of Fascism. I'm sure that there are Salafis out there who don't see eye to eye with many of what the rest of us do or donot do - fine, let them. Let the natural barrier provided by Human intellect and the traditions of our forefathers work against that. As for them exclaiming that something may or may not be Biddah - they are right, this word didn't come out of thin air, there are belief systems out there that are rather innovative at the expense of the very fundamentals of Islam. Reformation movements the world over from the religious (Calvinism) to the socio-economic (Communism) or the political (Social Democracy) have all exclaimed the same thing - that our system is better than yours, that its truer that yours etc. We human beings are incessantly engaged in a d**k measuring contest one way or the other and we've practiced Takfir in one form or the other across the board. In the recent past - weren't the Capitalists and the Communists doing the same thing ? Now its Islam in place of Communism. On either side there are people divided across the spectrum between inclusivity and exclusivity. So you can't really look at this from the perception of what one is saying but rather whether they materialize that in action. Thats where acts of extremism comes in, thats where we get the moral right to act in reply...otherwise, our modus operandi should solely rest with propagation of our side of the story through logic, reasoning and through right action.

As for how these guys may not adjust well enough to Secular societies...true but just as true of how Christian Reconstructionists can't either. Polls and finding over findings have shown that more acts of extremism are done in the West by right-wing conservatives than Muslims. In fact, I remember something to the effect of how Mr.Ramadan quoted a statistic that 10/11 acts of extremism in Britain over a period of a few years (I think...but you should try watching his show on Presstv - Islam and Life - it deals with a lot of these issues) were done by right wing extremists and only 1 by a Muslim religious extremist. So yes we do have a problem with these people preaching what they are and possibly the Taliban are what happens when such a dogma meets guns....but the vast majority of them out there are peace loving and they would want to preach you what they think is the right way peacefully just as so many conservatives of other faiths or socio-political belief system do. So let them - just do your homework on your part and preach in turn what you think is right and let the people decide.

And besides where would you cut-off. Where would you decide that such and such a thing is far too problematic for our young and old alike to be preached too ? I've personally been declared a Non-Muslim by Sunnis and Shites alike... for the former because I talked about the need for their to be a Reconstruction of Religious thought in Islam (to quote Iqbal) and I happen to idolize Umar bin Khattab as a leader for the latter group. Similarly I've been declared an imbecile and lacking any and all intellect by an atheist friend of mine, because I still believe that I can find worthwhile things in something written 1400 years ago. So where...where do we draw the line ? We can't...we just can't practice a mild form of Takfir ourselves and curb the spread of Salafism per se. What we can do is try to educate the masses as much as we can so that they can think independently for themselves and critically analyze whatever is put forth before them. Its much more difficult of the two practices but it would also, in my opinion, serve as a much more potent and lasting deterrent against any extremist ideology and the acts thereof.

 

[Armstrong]

If an individual wants to practice Islam then so be it. But lets not support the expansion of any religion at gun point or spread false propaganda.

Eg. many of the mullahs in pakistan are of deobandi school of thought. When Deobandis in INDIA came forward to denounce the suicide/bomb attacks as unislamic, their counterparts in PAK conveniently choose to look the other way. why was that so ?
They should have denounced such acts unequivocally so that crack pots cannot twist the writings of Quran and brainwash people to do suicide attacks.

Possibly because a lot of Clerics in Pakistan have been at the receiving end of Suicide Bombers. A decent cleric just a few kms from my home had his house (with him and his family in it) and part of the Mosque blown to bits after he had done exactly that.

 

[Desert Fox]

As i always said before Europe is going to turn into another third world intolerance ridden middle east clone like region due to these immigrants who are flooding Europe and spreading their extremist version of Islam while native European population is on the decline due to homosexuals and ultra third wave feminists who are responsible for the declining birth rate of Europe.

 

[shiv]

Possibly because a lot of Clerics in Pakistan have been at the receiving end of Suicide Bombers. A decent cleric just a few kms from my home had his house (with him and his family in it) and part of the Mosque blown to bits after he had done exactly that.

which again should have been prevented by the GoP or the culprit brought to books. What happened to that person was indeed horrible.

 

[shiv]

nvm...............

 

[shiv]

As i always said before Europe is going to turn into another third world intolerance ridden middle east clone like region due to these immigrants who are flooding Europe and spreading their extremist version of Islam while native European population is on the decline due to homosexuals and ultra third wave feminists who are responsible for the declining birth rate of Europe.

what all did u say before ?

 

[shiv]

As i always said before Europe is going to turn into another third world intolerance ridden middle east clone like region due to these immigrants who are flooding Europe and spreading their extremist version of Islam while native European population is on the decline due to homosexuals and ultra third wave feminists who are responsible for the declining birth rate of Europe.

stop the islam harangue. Sounds utter BS !!

 

[shiv]

504 ERROR...

 

[Armstrong]

which again should have been prevented by the GoP or the culprit brought to books. What happened to that person was indeed horrible.

Oh merai bhai - the GOP....really ? We've got a d**k of a President in the Presidency and he and his cronies have ravaged Pakistan more so than anyone else. They can't be arsed with booking culprits when they have more loans to take.

 

[Armstrong]

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