Riot mob surrounding and harassing a woman (after suicide attack)

[Samandri]

10 people also died when taliban died triple bombing outside their Church, what about them? You haven't said anything against them? Why selective hate? Or should I say Religious Discrimination.

Whats selective about it? an intense military operation is going on against Taliban in Khyber and NW, with use of Air strikes and also arrests of suspected individuals through out country.........but no action is yet taken against the mob involved in lynching two innocent men which is bothering me. Mob riots and lynching is worst kind of terrorism and it inflicts fear and terror in general population of the city, there is no excuse for relaxing law for killer mob just for appeasement of minorities.

 

[Donatello]

I did not know you consider this man an Aalim?

Or these people as Aalims?
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Do you follow their teachings?

And I absolutely have no interest in what happens with Muslims worldwide.. after all, leave aside a few.. none seem to care about other Muslims.. why should I; sure. that is not what the Prophet would do.. but I dont make false claims about following him unlike others who display open racism and then claim to follow Islam.. maybe that is because you have the wrong Aalims?

I consider him and all of his distant types, like Maulana Tariq Jameel and Maulana falana and falana, as Jahils. Without any reasoning. Is that racist towards mullahs?

 

[he-man]

A caste system descended from Hinduism based on a lowly occupation.. so you like the idea of castes and social hierarchy? Some people are better than others by birth?

Caste system transcends religions,,u must be aware of this fact.

 

[Donatello]

The incident happened when the woman took a wrong turn on the metro bus road, and the mob surrounded her. Of course she panicked seeing crazy idiots all around, i am sure all of us would. She tried to drive away, and in the chaos two-three people were injured fatally.
Now, what she did was could be considered an act of self defense, which Pakistan's Penal code allows, what i don't understand is the logic behind this vandalism of civil property. How does that help anyone?
Police should've called in Rangers and Army, rounded each of them, anyone at the scene should have been arrested, and made to pay for all the damages through their sorry A**.
Burn this down, smash that. WTF! Then they say they don't get infrastructure.

Caste system transcends religions,,u must be aware of this fact.

No it doesn't. It is prohibited in Islam, and there is a great deal relating to it in the sharia law. A human is equal to another. It comes from Hindu faith over the years.

 

[Screambowl]

A caste system descended from Hinduism based on a lowly occupation.. so you like the idea of castes and social hierarchy? Some people are better than others by birth?

Isn't syed, mirza, nawab, are titles and now become a caste in islamic world

 

[he-man]

No it doesn't. It is prohibited in Islam, and there is a great deal relating to it in the sharia law. A human is equal to another. It comes from Hindu faith over the years.

Thats all theoretical,,practically its all the same.Whole south east asia is divided into castes,true it came from hinduism but as bulk of other people(non hindus of south east asia) were borne out from hindus after conversion so the system stayed in them too.

Whatever,it is still prevalent among muslims,sikhs,christians of india and pakistan.Of course hindus too.

 

[rockstar08]

I consider him and all of his distant types, like Maulana Tariq Jameel and Maulana falana and falana, as Jahils. Without any reasoning. Is that racist towards mullahs?

Maulana Tariq Jameel is not like what you think , he never issued any controversial statements , he talk about Love , honesty , Sincerity , respect your neighbors , parents , etc ... i never see any of his statement which is controversial ...
and i have notice that he is popular among many well educated peoples just because of his straight and forwards biyans ...

 

[haviZsultan]

Bros lets not blame all christians for the actions of a few. If the 2 men killed were actually innocent then it is a sad incident and the perpetrators must be brought to justice. However think of the Charlie Hebdo attacks. Everyone was blaming each and every muslim for the attacks. Now we have often argued against that but aren't we doing the same thing with Christians? Labelling all of them responsible for this attack.

This wasn't by Christians, it was by some men who sadly belonged to said community. Lets have some sympathy for Christians. They have as much as us muslims worked to form Pakistan. Cornelius and Pothan Joseph were stalwart muslim league supporters.

We are being as dumb as the Hindutva's who continue to blame all muslims from things such as lack of patriotism to terrorism. This action, I assure you was the act of a few. Lets not paint all Christians with the same brush.

Also how many Christians died here... btw. Are we trying to obfuscate the reality that Christians have often been on the receiving end of militant minded violence. In Zia's time shopkeepers refused to sell to them too?

 

[Donatello]

Maulana Tariq Jameel is not like what you think , he never issued any controversial statements , he talk about Love , honesty , Sincerity , respect your neighbors , parents , etc ... i never see any of his statement which is controversial ...
and i have notice that he is popular among many well educated peoples just because of his straight and forwards biyans ...

That, my friend, is the reason why Pakistan is in the hole it is in.

You do realize, that Dr Farhat Hashmi was also very famous among the educated ?
Or the followers of Dr Aamir Liquat Hussain? (He is on air because people watch his shows, not all of them are jahil, right?)
Or Let's go a bit far away, the educated following the likes of Imran Khan and Altaf Hussain?

My point being, people have lost all reasoning ability to think and conclude from their own heads.

Isn't syed, mirza, nawab, are titles and now become a caste in islamic world

No. They are titles of the clans. Same with the tribal Pashtuns, like Afridis, Waziris, Orakzais etc...........A Syed doesn't go and tell a Mirza that you can only collect garbage and do cleaning stuff.........as in Dalits and Brahmins.

 

[rockstar08]

That, my friend, is the reason why Pakistan is in the hole it is in.

You do realize, that Dr Farhat Hashmi was also very famous among the educated ?
Or the followers of Dr Aamir Liquat Hussain? (He is on air because people watch his shows, not all of them are jahil, right?)
Or Let's go a bit far away, the educated following the likes of Imran Khan and Altaf Hussain?

My point being, people have lost all reasoning ability to think and conclude from their own heads.

Sir with due respect , a person become famous from his work , i can apply the same logic on Jinnah and other ... Jinnah was hero to us , but Indians hate ... we dont blame the preacher ,we blame what he is preaching ...
i am against mullah brigade for sure , but as i mentioned i never see any controversial statement from that Particularly Maulana Tariq jameel , unless you dont listen to what he say , how can you be judge ?? if a person say , respect , love and care your neighbors , parents and fellow muslim , how its even comparable to a lunatic who's life aim to blow himself outside some Masjid , imam bargha or Church ?

and seriously you are comparing Amir liaquat to tariq jameel , as i said , Tariq jameel did not flame any sort of sectarian violence , he talk about very simple and Basic things ...

and how can you even compare a religious scholar with a political leader ??
if you say Mualana Diesel and Muwaar kind of mullah than yes , they do have following but look at what they are preaching , people can be fools but not you and me ? strange thing is that so much well educated people turn into complete A$$holes , but what influence them ?? is it religion or is it their own personal choice ?? if it was religion than we have seen a major clash even within our army , which is based on Jihad fi sabilliah ... so should we criticize army now ?

even Oscar say that not all mullah is wrong , it all depends on what they preach ...

 

[Donatello]

Sir with due respect , a person become famous from his work , i can apply the same logic on Jinnah and other ... Jinnah was hero to us , but Indians hate ... we dont blame the preacher ,we blame what he is preaching ...
i am against mullah brigade for sure , but as i mentioned i never see any controversial statement from that Particularly Maulana Tariq jameel , unless you dont listen to what he say , how can you be judge ?? if a person say , respect , love and care your neighbors , parents and fellow muslim , how its even comparable to a lunatic who's life aim to blow himself outside some Masjid , imam bargha or Church ?

and seriously you are comparing Amir liaquat to tariq jameel , as i said , Tariq jameel did not flame any sort of sectarian violence , he talk about very simple and Basic things ...

and how can you even compare a religious scholar with a political leader ??
if you say Mualana Diesel and Muwaar kind of mullah than yes , they do have following but look at what they are preaching , people can be fools but not you and me ? strange thing is that so much well educated people turn into complete A$$holes , but what influence them ?? is it religion or is it their own personal choice ?? if it was religion than we have seen a major clash even within our army , which is based on Jihad fi sabilliah ... so should we criticize army now ?

even Oscar say that not all mullah is wrong , it all depends on what they preach ...

See, i don't have a problem with ANY Mullah, whether Tariq Jameel or Fazlullah.....the problem is, people blindly following them and not for an iota of moment, thinking for themselves. Why can't you do your own research? Why do you need a maulana to tell you about Islam? Who makes sure that what he states is true?

 

[rockstar08]

See, i don't have a problem with ANY Mullah, whether Tariq Jameel or Fazlullah.....the problem is, people blindly following them and not for an iota of moment, thinking for themselves. Why can't you do your own research? Why do you need a maulana to tell you about Islam? Who makes sure that what he states is true?

well i never followed any mullah blindly , i listen to Tariq jameel bayan , which is mostly about respect , love and care .. and some of them are related to Life of Prophet Muhammad pbuh and his Character ... but unlike other mullahs who think Islam begin and ends with Jihad ... i dont care about them ...

i do my own research , but its not bad if i differentiate between a person with some good Knowledge and a guy , who preach only hate , and killing .... and nobody can say that who is speaking the truth ... we all judge according to our own understandings ...

i see no harm is listening to a person who preach about love, respect and care , in the light of Islam and Prophet's sunnah ..

 

[420canada]

Could I extend this to every other human Pakistani or human being?? Or is it reserved?


1stly take some time to type if you think its worth reading....
2ndly, everyone is angry and asking for justice ....but Judiciary system is not very much keen on getting anywhere...
3rdly, yes we have a caste problem (not that bad but sadly it still exists)...until some funds are channeled into educating people regarding equality nothing much can be expected to evolve on its own esp when the politicians wanna keep the illiterate as they are for vote banks...

Lastly, being pissed doesnt give you a pass to go around killing...if that was allowed, then how is justice ever gonna be served when everyone wants to take the law in their own hand?

my bad as if no Pakistani muslims have ever went round Pakistan killing in the name of blasphemy? or that just a norm day over there? anyways yall need to go watch some cricket and not be so butt hurt when it comes to minorities getting pissed off when there muslims counterpart dose not give a rats A33 about them

Could I extend this to every other human Pakistani or human being?? Or is it reserved?

well that is up to you . but at the same time since there is a mind set that is over there there is no point. just a waste of resources which has always been the point in Pakistan.

 

[SQ8]

Isn't syed, mirza, nawab, are titles and now become a caste in islamic world

Nope, they were in 19th Century India. Not as such anymore. Syed is still a lineage people go for based on the assumption that these people have a genetic link to the prophet(half of the time its faked).. which is somewhat respected and revered by certain families in preference for marriage.

 

[KingMamba]

@Akheilos @qamar1990 @Ghareeb_Da_Baal this is the instance I mentioned in our chat, you guys thought I was making shit up lol.