Ring brings ancient Viking, Islamic civilizations closer together

[jamahir]

That seems to be true in most Muslim countries due to corrupt clergy who twist Islamic theology to promote extremism.

i must say i find arab societies more willing to adopt socialism and talk against clergy than people in iran or those influenced by iran.

so many arab societies have been hardcore socialist... the most iran went, at society level, was during mohammed mossadegh's time... however i must not ignore the "mujahideen e khalq" which during tried to overthrow khomenei with deep support of saddam's iraq.

 

[MastanKhan]

Muslims don't touch the name of Allah in state of impurity. So it is'nt possible they would sell or gift product this kind to such impure people. It tells the obvious what would've happened.

Sir,

The muslims of current day are different than those of a 1000 years ago---. Those muslims were very literate and extremely tolerant and liberal people unlike the muslims of today in pakistan.

At the time when that ring was set---it was a beautiful piece of jewelry---a piece that a traveler might want for his woman or maybe the woman was a muslim who had travelled with her partner to that area---or maybe she as a slave captured during one of the raids.

It would come as a surprise to me if the ring was wilfully shared or even gifted from one person to another---. Maybe someone made a friend and at parting wanted to give a gift to remember them by and that was the only thingclose at hand.

Are rings inscribed "for Allah" commonly worn by Muslims today?

Hi,

I have never seen a ring with the inscription Ya Allah written on it. It may be available.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Amazing Story Thanks for sharing

In History there is so much that we still dont know

 

[Dubious]

It would come as a surprise to me if the ring was wilfully shared or even gifted from one person to another-

Why so?

Have you been to Dubai...That was some Arab land where I did see everything having "calligraphy" on it. Wouldnt surprise me if a ring had Allah on it would be part of their Art.

Another thought that comes to mind is that Arab Christians also use the word ALLAH, though I am not familiar if they would put it on a ring..

 

[Salik]

Documented proof :

1 - Quran, Surah Al Waqiah - 79 "None touch it except the purified".

2 - Second Kaliph Hazrat Umer A.S before accepting Islam asked his sister to show the pages of the Quran. She refused and said to be purified first.

Letters were written to the head of the states by the Prophet PBUH with honour and respect. One letter was torn by Chesroes, the Prophet entreated God to punish the Persian empire and it happened!

Regarding the ring, general behaviour says it's a personal item and has nothing to do with preaching. If written Allah means it can be given to a person newly accepting Islam as an encouragement. Secondly Muslims don't bury with jewellary.


@Taygibay
@Akheilos
@MastanKhan

 

[Taygibay]

@Salik OK Thanks for that mate.
The quote from the Holy Quran is about the book itself though which was never in question
at least in my mind.
So that we are back to square one as to the ring and following your comment, it so far builds
the case of Akheilos and myself that it could well have been given ( probably not sold though )
to a Viking showing interest in Islam.
In short, no definite proof but a great likelihood that it could have happened as we thought.

I think we can lay to rest the controversy.
Good day all, Tay.

 

[Dubious]

1 - Quran, Surah Al Waqiah - 79 "None touch it except the purified".

Cherry picking is not going to help you...Why ignore the verses before?

Surah Waqiyah:

Verses 77-79 before jumping to 79:

77: Indeed, it is a noble Qur'an
78: In a Register well-protected
79: None touch it except the purified.

Register WELL PROTECTED is not the Quran on earth!

When one is sick, they go to different doctors for consultations until they find some form satisfaction. But when in confusion or for the sake of the soul, people seem to jump at 1 sole TRANSLATION (which usually doesnt convey the original meaning)
Check on this website for VARIOUS meanings: al-Waqi`ah 56:79

Letters were written to the head of the states by the Prophet PBUH with honour and respect. One letter was torn by Chesroes, the Prophet entreated God to punish the Persian empire and it happened!

I dont know how far that is true for I am no a student of Hadith nor have I traced that Hadith or even know of it!

Regarding the ring, general behaviour says

Whose general behaviour? Yours is VERY different to mine!
And also very different to that of our COMPASSIONATE prophet!
He didnt even ask for hell to break loose on the man who killed his uncle nor the woman who ate his uncle's heart and you are telling me he called to GOD to punish an EMPIRE?

How can you come up with such hedious images of the prophet is beyond me!

If written Allah means it can be given to a person newly accepting Islam as an encouragement. Secondly Muslims don't bury with jewellary.

Whose claiming she is Muslim? Never jump to conclusions...Besides, what the ring symbolizes or not is a mystery and will remain so as the owner is dead and cant testify whose theory is right hence let it be buried! Stop theorizing outrageous stuff to justify that which cant be!

A man asks about xyz, if it is not in the Quran or hadith dont utter it or make it up to compensate...Just say you dont know it is way better than assuming and giving wrong guidance!
Here is a story regarding such a scenario and well suited to todays Muslim mentality!

= "What Color Was The Dog?" =
Once there was a community of Muslims who were small in number yet large in belief and strong in action. So much so that, the non-believers could not defeat them in battle even though they had the Muslims out numbered.

One day a young man from the enemies pretended to enter into Islam and he went to the big teacher [learned man] in one part of the city and listened to his teaching of the Quran. The subject happened to be on the chapter of the Quran called Al Kahaf [The Cave, - #18].

When the teacher completed his talk he offered a chance for the brothers present to ask some questions. When it came the turn of the non-believer, he asked the teacher the question:

Sir, in the story of the 'sleepers' in the cave, there is mention of a dog. And I was wondering if I might inquire as to what color the dog might have been? I hope you don't mind my asking, especially if it is something that maybe you dont know the answer to.

Immediately the teacher says to the young man,That's no problem at all, everyone should know that the dog was YELLOW.

The young man said, Are you sure? I mean, could it have been another color?

No.; replied the old teacher, It was definitely YELLOW. Once again the young man thanked him and when on his way.

The next night the young enemy acting as though we was still seeking knowledge went to the other side of town and sat in another gathering of knowledge and they too were discussing different things about verses in the Quran.

So when it came time for the teacher to give each person attending, the opportunity to ask a question, the imposter posing as a Muslim raised his hand and then asked the question, In the chapter about the ;Cave, the sleepers are mentioned in different numbers but each time there is a reference to their dog as being counted along with them. Now I was wondering whether or not anyone of knowledge has ever made any reference to what the color the dog might have been?

The teacher immediately said, &Yes! The dog in this story in the Quran was BLACK.

The young non-believer man was pleased and continued,Sir, are you quite certain that the color of the dog mentioned in the story was BLACK?

Young man, he quickly replied, I'll stake my reputation on that as a fact.

Thank you, sir." said the non-believer.

The next night the non-believer still posing as a Muslim went back to the first teacher and then when it came time for the questions and answers he raised his hand and asked, Teacher, you have so much knowledge and I am only a small beginner, I was just wondering, could you maybe remind me about the answer to the question the other night about the color of the dog in the cave in Surah Al-Kahaf? (Quran: Chapter 18).

The teacher said,There is no doubt whatsoever amongst the great scholars of Islam on this question. The dog was YELLOW. And anyone who says other than this has no knowledge.

With that the young man spoke up again and said, Sir, what would you say if someone else said that he would stake his reputation of being a scholar in Islam on the fact that the dog is not yellow, but rather that the dog is most certainly BLACK?

The teacher quickly replied, Then his reputation is not that of a scholar but one of a fool.

Now the next time the enemy went to the teacher who believed the dog was BLACK, he told the teacher that the teacher on the other side of town was calling him names and saying that he had no knowledge of Islam and that for sure that the dog was YELLOW.

The teacher became angry and shouted, You tell him, that I said he is the one without knowledge. I am the one who graduated from the greatest of schools of Islam, while he is but a fool.

The plan was working. Before long the community was divided into two groups. Each group was claiming that their teacher was the one with the correct answer. Fighting broke out in the streets and the Muslims began attacking each other all over the city. Everyone became involved to the extent that there was not a single person who was excluded from this terrible situation. Screaming, shouting, hitting and fighting were everywhere.

And then it happened. The kafr went back out to his people and told them, Let us go to fight them now. You will now find them most easy to defeat.

And that is exactly what they did.

May Allah save us from such fitnah [tribulations]. Amee/.

 

[MastanKhan]

Documented proof :

1 - Quran, Surah Al Waqiah - 79 "None touch it except the purified".

2 - Second Kaliph Hazrat Umer A.S before accepting Islam asked his sister to show the pages of the Quran. She refused and said to be purified first.

Letters were written to the head of the states by the Prophet PBUH with honour and respect. One letter was torn by Chesroes, the Prophet entreated God to punish the Persian empire and it happened!

Regarding the ring, general behaviour says it's a personal item and has nothing to do with preaching. If written Allah means it can be given to a person newly accepting Islam as an encouragement. Secondly Muslims don't bury with jewellary.


@Taygibay
@Akheilos
@MastanKhan

Sir,

Strange things happen in different lands-----.

By the way---how old are you? Just wanted to know how deep the level of ignorance is or is there any hope left.

 

[Salik]

Sir,

Strange things happen in different lands-----.

By the way---how old are you? Just wanted to know how deep the level of ignorance is or is there any hope left.

I firmly believe there is hope : ) . BTW don't think about me too much. Mein dill mn aata hun samajh mn ni.

 

[Salik]

Register WELL PROTECTED is not the Quran on earth!

Where else? Do you see any change of single word on earth.

It's not me who is making conclusions. It's your thread title that says a ring brings Viking and Islamic civilizations closer when there's no exact story.

 

[Salik]

The quote from the Holy Quran is about the book itself though which was never in question
at least in my mind.

The essance of the book of Quran comes in few words i.e. for example if there's a piece of paper on the floor with the name of Allah written on it, a Muslim will immediatelly pick it and keep on higher place, not at least on foot level.

It's not a big issue to solve the mystery of the ring when there's ample evidence of Viking raids and their filthy habbits. And the common practice of Muslims to respect that name.

If you conduct a poll surely they'll vote Vikings didn't deserve that ring.

 

[I.R.A]

I don't see any close resemblance in what is written on ring in picture to "ALLAH" written in Arabic

How has it been established that its for sure "ALLAH" written on this ring?

 

[Taygibay]

Again @Salik my friend, no problem there :

The essance of the book of Quran comes in few words i.e. for example if there's a piece of paper on the floor with the name of Allah written on it, a Muslim will immediatelly pick it and keep on higher place, not at least on foot level.

Here however, I beg to differ,

It's not a big issue to solve the mystery of the ring when there's ample evidence of Viking raids and their filthy habbits. And the common practice of Muslims to respect that name.

If you conduct a poll surely they'll vote Vikings didn't deserve that ring.

A poll would mean nothing to my initial remark as just a view / opinion and a modern one at that.
I'll side with Akheilos on that.

What's more, all Vikings were not solely pillagers. The Swedish branch went East through 2 routes.
One went to Kyiv to found ( in modern terms ) Ukraine and Russia. Rus means swede in Finnish.
The other chose the Volga instead of the Dniepr and reached the Caspian sea from which they used
caravans and got to Bagdad as I mentioned in first post. A derivative proof of this is found in the
mystery of their great swords. Those "+VLFBERH+T" swords were all from 800 to 1000 AD.
They contained the same nano structures found in the Damascus steel that was in fact imported from
India under the form of ingots that the wise Vikings bought and brought back to their sword makers to
make weapons as extraordinary to the surrounding Europeans as Arabic / Muslim ones were.
Do verify this with a proper historian or piece it together from Internet et al sources by all means.

To keep trade alive with a widely different civilization, they must have been more than bandits?
That is the context of the ring story that I keep trying to outline and why I asked for a real documented
proof of the contrary to support some posters theory that the ring could not have been freely acquired.

So that without any disrespect to your views, proofs still abound to our ( Akheilos, Mastan Khan & me ) position.

Have a great day all, Tay.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Inscription, style and lack of wear point to rare archaeological evidence of contact
BY
BRUCE BOWER
1:00PM, MARCH 13, 2015

DISTANT BLING A new study suggests that a ninth century ring from a Viking site in Sweden came directly from the Islamic civilization. The ring includes an inset of colored glass engraved with ancient Arabic script.


More than a century after its discovery in a ninth century woman’s grave, an engraved ring has revealed evidence of close contacts between Viking Age Scandinavians and the Islamic world.

Excavators of a Viking trading center in Sweden called Birka recovered the silver ring in the late 1800s. Until now, it was thought that it featured a violet amethyst engraved with Arabic-looking characters. But closer inspection with a scanning electron microscope revealed that the presumed amethyst is colored glass (an exotic material at the time), say biophysicist Sebastian Wärmländer of Stockholm University and his colleagues.

An inscription on the glass inset reads either “for Allah” or “to Allah” in an ancient Arabic script, the researchers report February 23 in Scanning.

Scandinavians traded for fancy glass objects from Egypt and Mesopotamia as early as 3,400 years ago (SN: 1/24/15, p. 8). Thus, seagoing Scandinavians could have acquired glass items from Islamic traders in the same part of the world more than 2,000 years later rather than waiting for such desirable pieces to move north through trade networks.

Ancient texts mention encounters around 1,000 years ago between Scandinavians and members of the Islamic civilization, which stretched from West Asia to Mediterranean lands. Archaeological evidence supporting those accounts, though, is rare.

The inner surface of the Birka ring’s silver body shows virtually no signs of wear. Filing marks made in the final stage of its production are still visible. That suggests that the ring made by an Arabic silversmith had few or no owners before it reached the Viking woman, the researchers say.

Ring brings ancient Viking, Islamic civilizations closer together | Science News

@Gufi @SvenSvensonov @Slav Defence @Secur @syedali73 @Armstrong

Interesting read

Bro... Arabs had sent explorers to "Russia" at that time in which it was at the stage of being claimed by the vikings. The Arabs met these vikings and wrote alot of details about them.

 

[Salik]

What's more, all Vikings were not solely pillagers. The Swedish branch went East through 2 routes.
One went to Kyiv to found ( in modern terms ) Ukraine and Russia. Rus means swede in Finnish.
The other chose the Volga instead of the Dniepr and reached the Caspian sea from which they used
caravans and got to Bagdad as I mentioned in first post. A derivative proof of this is found in the
mystery of their great swords. Those "+VLFBERH+T" swords were all from 800 to 1000 AD.
They contained the same nano structures found in the Damascus steel that was in fact imported from
India under the form of ingots that the wise Vikings bought and brought back to their sword makers to
make weapons as extraordinary to the surrounding Europeans as Arabic / Muslim ones were.
Do verify this with a proper historian or piece it together from Internet et al sources by all means.

To keep trade alive with a widely different civilization, they must have been more than bandits?
That is the context of the ring story that I keep trying to outline and why I asked for a real documented
proof of the contrary to support some posters theory that the ring could not have been freely acquired.

So that without any disrespect to your views, proofs still abound to our ( Akheilos, Mastan Khan & me ) position.

Have a great day all, Tay.

Thanks for the detail reply. Something to add Muslims have the tradition of giving swords as a gift. There may be a one as well.

On a side note want to share an interesting observation and eye opener, if Allah written in Arabic Muslim revere it the most than written in any other language.