Ridiculous proof about China covered up Covid-19 released by Taiwan government

[FairAndUnbiased]

Everything’s a cover-up these days. I guess that’s easier to deal with

But there's proof: https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1520148-20200411.htm

Even Taiwanese CDC denies that they warned WHO:
https://www.cdc.gov.tw/En/Bulletin/Detail/PAD-lbwDHeN_bLa-viBOuw?typeId=158

"Public health professionals could discern from this wording that there was a real possibility of human-to-human transmission of the disease. However, because at the time there were as yet no cases of the disease in Taiwan, we could not state directly and conclusively that there had been human-to-human transmission. "

Taiwanese themselves are denying that they warned WHO. So now the question is - who wanted to push the narrative?

 

[Beast]

But there's proof: https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1520148-20200411.htm

Even Taiwanese CDC denies that they warned WHO:
https://www.cdc.gov.tw/En/Bulletin/Detail/PAD-lbwDHeN_bLa-viBOuw?typeId=158

"Public health professionals could discern from this wording that there was a real possibility of human-to-human transmission of the disease. However, because at the time there were as yet no cases of the disease in Taiwan, we could not state directly and conclusively that there had been human-to-human transmission. "

Taiwanese themselves are denying that they warned WHO. So now the question is - who wanted to push the narrative?

Pro independent Taiwanese.. In order they can achieve what they want. They can even lie thru their teeth or sacrifice their love one. They are a group of very despicable people.

 

[Mista]

But there's proof: https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1520148-20200411.htm

Even Taiwanese CDC denies that they warned WHO:
https://www.cdc.gov.tw/En/Bulletin/Detail/PAD-lbwDHeN_bLa-viBOuw?typeId=158

"Public health professionals could discern from this wording that there was a real possibility of human-to-human transmission of the disease. However, because at the time there were as yet no cases of the disease in Taiwan, we could not state directly and conclusively that there had been human-to-human transmission. "

Taiwanese themselves are denying that they warned WHO. So now the question is - who wanted to push the narrative?

You're misinterpreting Taiwan's CDC. They say they warned the WHO of the possibility of human transmission by noting that the patients are isolated, and the reason should be understood by medical experts.

But because they have no cases in Taiwan back then they can't conclusively state that there had been human transmission in the letter, otherwise that would be truly misleading.

對於世衛稱，台灣的電郵只提到武漢有非典型肺炎病例，而武漢當局認為這不是SARS，沒提到人與人之間的傳染。陳時中表示，台灣電郵中雖未明確寫明會人傳人，但強調了非典型肺炎病患均隔離治療，強烈暗示有人傳人可能；由於台灣當時未有病例，因此無法明示人傳人，「若明示是人傳人才叫誤導信息」。

陳時中亦稱，「什麼樣的病患需隔離治療，不言自明」，批評世衛是「內行人說外行話，隔離治療不是警訊，那什麼情況才是警訊」，任何公共衛生機構或醫生都明白什麼狀況需要隔離治療，他呼籲世衛坦誠以對及積極處理事件，不要轉移焦點、一錯再錯。

https://news.mingpao.com/ins/兩岸/article/20200411/s00004/1586596773697/世衛否認台灣曾警告新冠肺炎可人傳人-台方公開電郵原文反擊

Taiwan has a point here.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

You're misinterpreting Taiwan's CDC. They say they warned the WHO of the possibility of human transmission by noting that the patients are isolated, and the reason should be understood by medical experts.

But because they have no cases in Taiwan back then they can't conclusively state that there had been human transmission in the letter, otherwise that would be truly misleading.

對於世衛稱，台灣的電郵只提到武漢有非典型肺炎病例，而武漢當局認為這不是SARS，沒提到人與人之間的傳染。陳時中表示，台灣電郵中雖未明確寫明會人傳人，但強調了非典型肺炎病患均隔離治療，強烈暗示有人傳人可能；由於台灣當時未有病例，因此無法明示人傳人，「若明示是人傳人才叫誤導信息」。

陳時中亦稱，「什麼樣的病患需隔離治療，不言自明」，批評世衛是「內行人說外行話，隔離治療不是警訊，那什麼情況才是警訊」，任何公共衛生機構或醫生都明白什麼狀況需要隔離治療，他呼籲世衛坦誠以對及積極處理事件，不要轉移焦點、一錯再錯。

https://news.mingpao.com/ins/兩岸/article/20200411/s00004/1586596773697/世衛否認台灣曾警告新冠肺炎可人傳人-台方公開電郵原文反擊

Taiwan has a point here.

but WHO and Chinese CDC said the exact same thing: no evidence of sustained human-human transmission. in any case, they did not have the ability to warn WHO prior to 12/31, which is the key point.

 

[Mista]

but WHO and Chinese CDC said the exact same thing: no evidence of sustained human-human transmission. in any case, they did not have the ability to warn WHO prior to 12/31, which is the key point.

The same thing can be said too, there are no evidence that the novel virus is not human transmissible. So why did China isolate the patients? Because it's a respiratory disease and it's very likely to be human transmissible. You don't wait for conclusive evidence before raising the alert and doing something.

That's why China isolated the patients. That's why Taiwan 'warned' the WHO and started screening travelers from Wuhan last year. That's why Singapore and Thailand started screening travelers from Wuhan since Jan 3.

 

[kankan326]

You're misinterpreting Taiwan's CDC. They say they warned the WHO of the possibility of human transmission by noting that the patients are isolated, and the reason should be understood by medical experts.

But because they have no cases in Taiwan back then they can't conclusively state that there had been human transmission in the letter, otherwise that would be truly misleading.

對於世衛稱，台灣的電郵只提到武漢有非典型肺炎病例，而武漢當局認為這不是SARS，沒提到人與人之間的傳染。陳時中表示，台灣電郵中雖未明確寫明會人傳人，但強調了非典型肺炎病患均隔離治療，強烈暗示有人傳人可能；由於台灣當時未有病例，因此無法明示人傳人，「若明示是人傳人才叫誤導信息」。

陳時中亦稱，「什麼樣的病患需隔離治療，不言自明」，批評世衛是「內行人說外行話，隔離治療不是警訊，那什麼情況才是警訊」，任何公共衛生機構或醫生都明白什麼狀況需要隔離治療，他呼籲世衛坦誠以對及積極處理事件，不要轉移焦點、一錯再錯。

https://news.mingpao.com/ins/兩岸/article/20200411/s00004/1586596773697/世衛否認台灣曾警告新冠肺炎可人傳人-台方公開電郵原文反擊

Taiwan has a point here.

First, how did Taiwan know the patients are islolated? As the letter said, they heard the news from China media. Which means it's not a secret at all. TW's warn is useless.
Second, China and WHO already knew there is possibility of human transmission. Chinese medical experts were studying the viurs. Isolating patients is common measure for the worst scenario.

Again isolating patients was not a secret. TW did not know any more news about the virus than Chinese media released. This is a real stupid excuse.

 

[Mista]

First, how did Taiwan know the patients are islolated? As the letter said, they heard the news from China media. Which means it's not a secret at all. TW's warn is useless.
Second, China and WHO already knew there is possibility of human transmission. Chinese medical experts were studying the viurs. Isolating patients is common measure for the worst scenario.

Again isolating patients was not a secret. TW did not know any more news about the virus than Chinese media released. This is a real stupid excuse.

It begs the question.

1) Do you assume it's not human transmissible until there's conclusive evidence that it's human transmissible?
2) Or do you assume it's human transmissible until there's conclusive evidence that it's not human transmissible?

Unfortunately the authorities in Wuhan and the WHO leaned towards the former approach back then. If it's the latter approach, they should say 'there's no evidence that it's not human transmissible', instead of saying 'there's no evidence that it's human transmissible'.

It does make a difference towards the public's alertness level and the perception of an unknown threat. A warning with the same info but different wording is not 'useless' as you have claimed.

Only countries which have experienced SARS before took the latter approach and screened travelers from Wuhan right after the Wuhan authorities report of an unknown pneumonia outbreak. It's a respiratory pneumonia-like disease, and there's high likelihood that it's human transmissible.

 

[kankan326]

It begs the question.

Do you assume it's not human transmissible until there's conclusive evidence that it's human transmissible?
Or do you assume it's human transmissible until there's conclusive evidence that it's not human transmissible?

Obviously the WHO took the former approach. Only countries which have experienced SARS before took the latter approach and screened travelers from Wuhan right after the Wuhan authorities report of an unknown pneumonia outbreak. It's a respiratory pneumonia-like disease, and there's high likelihood that it's human transmissible.

The answer is former of course. Let me explain why. 1) Most viruses(>99%) are either not or mildly contagious between humans. Notorious HIV and Ebola are in fact not very contagious. 2) No country can affort the latter approach because of the huge cost the society has to pay for assuming every newly found disease is human transmissible. You should know the cost of blocking a city.

 

[Mista]

The answer is former of course. Let me explain why. 1) Most viruses(>99%) are either not or mild contagious between humans. Notorious HIV and Ebola are in fact not very contagious. 2) No country can affort the latter approach because of the huge cost the society has to pay for assuming every newly found disease is human transmissible. You should know the cost of block a city.

No one is saying the a lockdown or travel restrictions should come immediately; these are unprecedented measures after all. In fact even in February with all the information coming out from China, the WHO was still discouraging the wearing of masks, travel restrictions against other countries, and general lockdowns.

 

[kankan326]

No one is saying the a lockdown or travel restrictions should come immediately; these are unprecedented measures after all. In fact even in February with all the information coming out from China, the WHO was still discouraging the wearing of masks, travel restrictions against other countries, and general lockdowns.

Lockdown is just one case. The huge loss is bound to happen as soon as the government tells the world there is highly contagious virus spreading in there country. So all countries, not just China, are very cautious and conservative when a new disease is reported.

I don't care what WHO said in February. China had told the world what should do by real actions.

 

[powastick]

WHO was still discouraging the wearing of masks, travel restrictions against other countries, and general lockdowns.

1. There were no evidence that mask helps during the early days of the epidemic. They were also problems as mass wearing of mask will divert resources from much needed protection for hospital staff. It is evidence that US and EU had shortages of mask.
2. Travel restriction is last resort. Despite having ban flights from China, US got most of its cases from EU. To be effective, global flights would have to be grounded. No country will take WHO seriously with this suggestion during the early stages of infection.
3. Singapore, South Korea, Japan and Vietnam didn't have lockdown. How can WHO concluded from China alone that lockdown is needed?

 

[Mista]

The huge loss is bound to happen as soon as the government tells the world there is highly contagious virus spreading in there country. So all countries, not just China, are very cautious and conservative when a new disease is reported.

And that's exactly why most countries are reactive and few are proactive. If you go by this slippery slope you can argue that Trump did no wrong as well, because he's just being 'cautious and conservative when a new disease is reported' in the US with just a few infections back in Jan.

 

[kankan326]

And that's exactly why most countries are reactive and few are proactive. If you go by this slippery slope you can argue that Trump did no wrong as well, because he's just being 'cautious and conservative when a new disease is reported' in the US with just a few infections back in Jan.

Cautious and conservative attitude should be held when there is "fog of war". We are talking about this stage. After the fog of war disperses, immediate acts should be done.

 

[Viet]

If US has the original strain of the virus i.e., A-Type, doesn't that mean #COVID19 originated in the US instead of China,where the mutated version type -B is found instead ?https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news...nalysis-provides-snapshot-of-pandemic-origins

Such study has many weaknesses so people should not take it serious.

the authors overlook several points.

One is „people’s movement“. For instance it says A strain is mostly found in the US. People can question why so? There are millions of Asian ethnics in the US. They travel back and forth from Asia to America. Some of them may have brought to America. I am not saying the virus originated from Asia or China.

Second is „evolution of species“. If B and C come from A, then where A comes from?

A shares identical rNA structure to Sars v1. 80 to 90 percent. I can check later to confirm. So it originated mostly likely from SARS v1 from 2002.

Third is „survival of the strongest“. The study says many chinese people are infected by B strain, some with A and C. Why so?

It's clear, China is very large country with different climate. Virus itself adapts to its environment. The strongest wins, other virus strains go to other places.

Look at how Ebola virus spreads in Africa. It’s same sorts of.

I am not expert.

just saying my opinion.