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Rest assured, Kashmir is not lost for India
By Virendra Kapoor | 29 April, 2017
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Kashmir is not going anywhere, P. Chidambaram need not worry.
ONLY FIVE DISTRICTS

Okay, let us iterate for the nth time that Kashmir is an intractable problem, defying the best of minds these past seventy years. The open sore on the body politic has bled for as long as one can recall. Yes, there have been periods of relative lull and “normalcy”, but do recall that Pakistan has fought three wars, beginning with the first in 1947 itself, to snatch Kashmir from India. And each time India has rebuffed it.

Therefore, it is a bit rich for someone like the former Home Minister P. Chidambaram to suggest that the Narendra Modi government might be losing Kashmir. However complex the problem, the truth is that Kashmir is going nowhere. The Indian state is neither so fragile nor so fickle-minded as to allow anyone to snatch Kashmir from us. The origins of what we call the Kashmir problem lie in the woolly-headedness of those who presided over the Partition of the sub-continent into two hostile countries. Period.

But our purpose in writing about Kashmir is not to apportion blame for a conflict which has continued to exact huge costs in men and materials since the birth of Pakistan. No, it is to remind the ordinary readers about the known-knowns about Kashmir, which, unfortunately, seem to be absent from the popular consciousness, whenever something scary in the valley hits the headlines. Which, alas, is very often these days. Since these known-knowns are actually unknowns for most people, here is something that is doing the rounds of social media to lend a correct perspective to the Kashmir problem:

• Total area in the state of Jammu and Kashmir: 101,380 sq km (excluding Pak-occupied Kashmir).

• Kashmir: 15%

• Jammu: 26%

• Ladakh: 59%

• Total population: 1.25 crore.

Kashmir: 69 lakh, with 13 lakh people speaking non-Kashmiri languages.

• Jammu: 53 lakh, with Dogri, Punjabi and Hindi as main languages.

• Ladakah: Three lakh who speak Ladakhi, excluding 7.5 lakh, who live there but do not enjoy citizenship rights.

• Of 22 districts in J& K, five are in the grip of separatist violence; these are Srinagar, Anantnag, Baramullah, Kulgam and Pulwama.

Other 15 districts strongly oppose separatist campaign.

Separatists at best constitute 15% of the population of J&K and they are mostly Sunni Muslims.

• Among more than a dozen religious/ethnic groups, which constitute 85% of the total J&K population, there are: Shias, Dogras (Rajputs, Brahmins and Mahajans), Kashmiri Pandits, Sikhs, Buddhists (Ladakhis), Gujjars, Bakarwals, Paharis, Baltis, Christians, etc.

• Only a third of the people in the Valley speak Kashmiri, though they dominate the separatist narrative; this one-third also dominates business and public services in Kashmir.

• Notably, though Poonch and Kargil are Muslim-majority, people here do not participate in anti-India protests.

Simply put, what we call the Kashmir problem is confined to five districts and less than 15% of the population of J&K.

Admittedly, the media cannot be blamed for reporting various acts of arson, rioting and Pakistan-sponsored terrorist acts in the Valley, but a correct perspective in view of these facts will help tamp down the shrill message as if the entire state was on fire. It is not. And has never been all through the years since the artificial creation of a religion-based Pakistan.

Of course, the current stalemate in Kashmir has to yield to a thaw, sooner than later. No one in his right mind would slink away from talks, which decidedly would help lower the temperature in the murderous valley. But so long as the stone-throwers, or rather their paymasters and controllers across the LOC, do not stop their provocations, the Indian State would find it hard to talk peace with those who seek azaadi. Maybe, in the meantime, the two countries can revive the backchannel process away from the glare of publicity, with the designated representatives meeting in third countries to evolve a modus vivendi for the restoration of what is normalcy in the context of Kashmir.

However, ordinary Indians would do well not to be swayed by silly questions such as “is Kashmir lost for India?” If truth be told, the conditions were created for its loss by the revered leaders of the questioner. And, again, if truth be told, it was the intense pressure from the revered leaders of the present-day rulers which prevented its actual loss to Pakistan.

Meanwhile, those who wear their pseudo-secularism on the pallu of their sarees, ought to also spare a thought for the poor security personnel who in the most trying of conditions resist extreme provocation from the same 14-year-olds throwing stones meant to blind them. The Army jawan too is someone’s son, someone’s husband, someone’s father and deserves our gratitude. Why should our tear ducts overflow only when a secessionist meets his just deserts?

Yes, a peaceful campaign for azaadi could still be condoned, but a violent protest for secession in any democratic country would be, should be, put down with the use of force. Those seeking azaadi are in a woeful minority and cannot be allowed to hold the entire people of J&K, nay, of all of India hostage. Nation-breakers do not deserve Indians’ sympathy.
 
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so on the call of leaders of those 5 districts all 22 district people refused to vote and turnout was just 2 percent. Indians and their dillusions. finding ways to satisfy their mental health that kashmiri support them.
Infact indians are good at finding some excuse to validate their points even if it's against the truth, facts or reality. Thye live in their own dream world with ideal conditions provided like fighting a war with no opposition.
Sometime they say that ISI is giving money to all 98percent kashmiris who oppose india. even their newspapers have saidthat ISI budget for IOK is 1000crore to fool indians into living in a matrix and belive what the programmer want them to.(1000crore is even more than total Pakistan army budget).

even according to indian media polls few years back 75% kashmiris want independence from india. RAW is making them fool through controlled media.
 
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so on the call of leaders of those 5 districts all 22 district people refused to vote and turnout was just 2 percent. Indians and their dillusions. finding ways to satisfy their mental health that kashmiri support them.
Infact indians are good at finding some excuse to validate their points even if it's against the truth, facts or reality. Thye live in their own dream world with ideal conditions provided like fighting a war with no opposition.
Sometime they say that ISI is giving money to all 98percent kashmiris who oppose india. even their newspapers have saidthat ISI budget for IOK is 1000crore to fool indians into living in a matrix and belive what the programmer want them to.(1000crore is even more than total Pakistan army budget).

even according to indian media polls few years back 75% kashmiris want independence from india. RAW is making them fool through controlled media.

The elections were by-polls conducted on just 1-2 seats and because of violence and attack and stone pelting on polling booths the percentage was 2%. 98% Kashmiris oppose India? Do you really believe Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists of J&K want to join Pakistan or want Azadi from India?
 
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https://www.rnw.org/archive/two-thirds-indian-kashmir-want-independence-poll
Two thirds in Indian Kashmir want independence: poll
RNW archive
This article is part of the RNW archive. RNW is the former Radio Netherlands Worldwide or Wereldomroep, which was founded as the Dutch international public broadcaster in 1947. In 2011, the Dutch government decided to cut funding and shift RNW from the ministry of Education, Culture and Science to the ministry of Foreign Affairs. More information about RNW Media’s current activities can be found at https://www.rnw.org/about-rnw-media.

About two thirds of residents in India-administered Kashmir want independence for their region, with less than one in ten seeking a merger with Pakistan, a survey showed Sunday.

The Kashmiri region is administered separately by India and Pakistan, with the Indian part subject to an insurgency and violent separatist movement for the last 20 years that has claimed an estimated 47,000 lives.

The poll, conducted for the Sunday Hindustan Times newspaper, showed that 66 percent of respondents in the Kashmir valley wanted "complete freedom to entire Jammu and Kashmir as a new country".

Jammu and Kashmir is the far northwestern state of India that includes the violence-wracked Muslim-majority Kashmir valley, the Hindu-majority region of Jammu and the mostly Buddhist Ladakh area.

Only six percent in Kashmir, where street violence flared again on Sunday, wanted a "complete merger of the entire Jammu and Kashmir in Pakistan."

The desire for independence for the state is not shared in the Jammu and Ladakh parts however, where 76 percent and 70 percent wanted a "complete merger" of the state into India.

Kashmir has a special status under the Indian constitution and was initially autonomous after partition of the subcontinent in 1947, though much of its autonomy has slowly been eroded.

The poll was conducted by Team CVoter and canvassed 2,369 people.

Respondents were also asked who was to blame for a current wave of unrest in the Kashmir area where young stone-throwers have clashed with security forces for the last three months.

Seventy protesters and bystanders -- some children -- have been killed, mostly by security forces who have fired on demonstrations.

In Kashmir, 56 percent blamed India for the unrest, while 44 percent of those asked in the "rest of India" thought neighbour and implacable foe Pakistan was responsible for stirring up trouble.

Majorities in all areas agreed that Indian forces should not use bullets against protesters, with 96 percent saying it was wrong in Kashmir, and 85 percent in the rest of India.

Two thirds thought it was wrong in Jammu, while 31 percent said it was acceptable.

On Sunday, Indian police fired shots and used teargas to control young Kashmiris who defied a strict curfew and separately attacked the residence of a senior local minister, police said.

The guards of Kashmir Education Minister Peerzada Mohammad Sayeed, who was unhurt, opened fire and lobbed teargas in southern Kokernag village to repulse an attack by stone-throwing protesters, a police spokesman said.

In the summer capital of Srinagar, scores of young men defied a curfew and held noisy demonstraions at two places, prompting security forces to fire teargas canisters and warning shots.

"One person has been brought here with head injuries," a doctor at Srinagar's main hospital said, asking not to be named.

Meanwhile, police filed a case against moderate separatist leader Mirwaiz Umar Farooq over the burning of a government building allegedly by a mob during a protest rally on Saturday that he was leading.

He denied involvement. Other separatists blamed "anti-movement elements" for setting fire to the building and called for a probe into the arson.

Police said they had imposed a curfew on Sunday to prevent further violence.

The Muslim-majority Kashmir region has been fought over by India and Pakistan since the partition of British-ruled India in 1947, with the region now cut in two along a UN-monitored line of control.
 
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https://www.rnw.org/archive/two-thirds-indian-kashmir-want-independence-poll
Two thirds in Indian Kashmir want independence: poll
RNW archive
This article is part of the RNW archive. RNW is the former Radio Netherlands Worldwide or Wereldomroep, which was founded as the Dutch international public broadcaster in 1947. In 2011, the Dutch government decided to cut funding and shift RNW from the ministry of Education, Culture and Science to the ministry of Foreign Affairs. More information about RNW Media’s current activities can be found at https://www.rnw.org/about-rnw-media.

About two thirds of residents in India-administered Kashmir want independence for their region, with less than one in ten seeking a merger with Pakistan, a survey showed Sunday.

The Kashmiri region is administered separately by India and Pakistan, with the Indian part subject to an insurgency and violent separatist movement for the last 20 years that has claimed an estimated 47,000 lives.

The poll, conducted for the Sunday Hindustan Times newspaper, showed that 66 percent of respondents in the Kashmir valley wanted "complete freedom to entire Jammu and Kashmir as a new country".

Jammu and Kashmir is the far northwestern state of India that includes the violence-wracked Muslim-majority Kashmir valley, the Hindu-majority region of Jammu and the mostly Buddhist Ladakh area.

Only six percent in Kashmir, where street violence flared again on Sunday, wanted a "complete merger of the entire Jammu and Kashmir in Pakistan."

The desire for independence for the state is not shared in the Jammu and Ladakh parts however, where 76 percent and 70 percent wanted a "complete merger" of the state into India.

Kashmir has a special status under the Indian constitution and was initially autonomous after partition of the subcontinent in 1947, though much of its autonomy has slowly been eroded.

The poll was conducted by Team CVoter and canvassed 2,369 people.

Respondents were also asked who was to blame for a current wave of unrest in the Kashmir area where young stone-throwers have clashed with security forces for the last three months.

Seventy protesters and bystanders -- some children -- have been killed, mostly by security forces who have fired on demonstrations.

In Kashmir, 56 percent blamed India for the unrest, while 44 percent of those asked in the "rest of India" thought neighbour and implacable foe Pakistan was responsible for stirring up trouble.

Majorities in all areas agreed that Indian forces should not use bullets against protesters, with 96 percent saying it was wrong in Kashmir, and 85 percent in the rest of India.

Two thirds thought it was wrong in Jammu, while 31 percent said it was acceptable.

On Sunday, Indian police fired shots and used teargas to control young Kashmiris who defied a strict curfew and separately attacked the residence of a senior local minister, police said.

The guards of Kashmir Education Minister Peerzada Mohammad Sayeed, who was unhurt, opened fire and lobbed teargas in southern Kokernag village to repulse an attack by stone-throwing protesters, a police spokesman said.

In the summer capital of Srinagar, scores of young men defied a curfew and held noisy demonstraions at two places, prompting security forces to fire teargas canisters and warning shots.

"One person has been brought here with head injuries," a doctor at Srinagar's main hospital said, asking not to be named.

Meanwhile, police filed a case against moderate separatist leader Mirwaiz Umar Farooq over the burning of a government building allegedly by a mob during a protest rally on Saturday that he was leading.

He denied involvement. Other separatists blamed "anti-movement elements" for setting fire to the building and called for a probe into the arson.

Police said they had imposed a curfew on Sunday to prevent further violence.

The Muslim-majority Kashmir region has been fought over by India and Pakistan since the partition of British-ruled India in 1947, with the region now cut in two along a UN-monitored line of control.

2,369 people polled in Kashmir valley :lol::lol: If this poll had been conducted in Jammu or Ladakh then 9/10th would have wanted to remain in India and the other 1/10th would have wanted to merge with US
 
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There is nothing new in the article that people arent aware of.

The demographics and its distribution is also well informed.

But the term Kashmir refers only as the geography and people of those 5 districts ...here. .
So whatever happens in that 5 districts is considered as the happening of the whole state.
And I believe its better to keep it that way.

We only needs to reduce/change the sentiments of people those 5 numbers to smaller numbers in the years to come.
 
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2,369 people polled in Kashmir valley :lol::lol: If this poll had been conducted in Jammu or Ladakh then 9/10th would have wanted to remain in India and the other 1/10th would have wanted to merge with US
that means according to above article. 69 lack want independence and 56 lack want to remain with india. still this makes 55% anti indian kashmiris.
India is losing. The above article is losing. 55%(indian figures. ideal figures for them) wants independence from india.
 
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that means according to above article. 69 lack want independence and 56 lack want to remain with india. still this makes 55% anti indian kashmiris.
India is losing. The above article is losing. 55%(indian figures. ideal figures for them) wants independence from india.

Even if 100% Kashmir wants independence it doesn't matter, the land is not going anywhere, they can well pack their bags and leave, only 51% of 'India' counts for us. If we hand over the said 6 districts to Army in 6 months time you won't see a single soul protesting or throwing stones or taking law in their own hands (China Style) but we don't want to go down that route
 
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on one side all international media is reporting worst situation in Kashmir where first time teen aged girls are fighting with stones and then we have parallel world of bollywood journalism aka govt funded propaganda.. sab acha hai.
 
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Karan Thapar amd Chidambaram :lol::lol: According to loonies like them we are also on the verge of loosing Tamil Nadu, Bihar, Maharashtra and what not all
many years at this forum and i know indians mentality.
Rule number 1:
check the author name and try to find problems with it.
Rule number 2:
try to find problems with the people referred to.
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if it's indian newspaper than say that we don't trust indian media or this media outlet is always anti india.
Rule number 4:
if it's a third country media than say that due to cold war issues they always talk against us.
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if not successful than find some news about balochistan and start trolling with it. Forcing others to stop topic on the original thread.

Even if 100% Kashmir wants independence it doesn't matter, the land is not going anywhere, they can well pack their bags and leave, only 51% of 'India' counts for us. If we hand over the said 6 districts to Army in 6 months time you won't see a single soul protesting or throwing stones or taking law in their own hands (China Style) but we don't want to go down that route
good than stop crying terrorism, Hizb, LeT, ISI and Pakistan started wars like stuff.

If we hand over the said 6 districts to Army in 6 months time you won't see a single soul protesting or throwing stones or taking law in their own hands (China Style) but we don't want to go down that route
forgetting about 700k already doing it. And it will force us to start a limited war to teach india a lesson. And plz don't try to scare us of your hanuman army powers. we know how they cry and how much they are fed.
 
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many years at this forum and i know indians mentality.
Rule number 1:
check the author name and try to find problems with it.
Rule number 2:
try to find problems with the people referred to.
Rule number 3:
if it's indian newspaper than say that we don't trust indian media or this media outlet is always anti india.
Rule number 4:
if it's a third country media than say that due to cold war issues they always talk against us.
Rule number 5:
if not successful than find some news about balochistan and start trolling with it. Forcing others to stop topic on the original thread.

good than stop crying terrorism, Hizb, LeT, ISI and Pakistan started wars like stuff.

Yes there is a problem in Kashmir, but it's funny that Pakistanis believe that India will somehow get sick of some religious nutcases (200-300 odd terrorists and few hundred stone pelters) and give Azadi or hand over entire J&K in a platter to Pakistan :lol::lol: 90's were especially bloody in Kashmir but things are far better now, armed insurgency is dying, yes kids throwing stones is a new challenge (as we don't want to go hard on them) but I guess in next year or so we will formulate and plan and bring the same under control

forgetting about 700k already doing it. And it will force us to start a limited war to teach india a lesson. And plz don't try to scare us of your hanuman army powers. we know how they cry and how much they are fed.

No they are not doing 'it'. There is a democratic elected government and free press in Kashmir, this is not exactly 'China Style'. By China style I mean tanks rolling down the roads and Hizbul getting hung upside down. Limited war :lol: yes we always wanted your part of Kashmir too, help us please!
 
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In simple terms india would have offered a referendum decades ago if they thought they could win it.


India knows it will lose Kashmir hence rather thrn offer a simple vote, runs whilst Kashmiris stone indian soldiers
 
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Yes there is a problem in Kashmir, but it's funny that Pakistanis believe that India will somehow get sick of some religious nutcases (200-300 odd terrorists and few hundred stone pelters) and give Azadi or hand over entire J&K in a platter to Pakistan :lol::lol: 90's were especially bloody in Kashmir but things are far better now, armed insurgency is dying, yes kids throwing stones is a new challenge (as we don't want to go hard on them) but I guess in next year or so we will formulate and plan and bring the same under control



No they are not doing 'it'. There is a democratic elected government and free press in Kashmir, this is not exactly 'China Style'. By China style I mean tanks rolling down the roads and Hizbul getting hung upside down. Limited war :lol: yes we always wanted your part of Kashmir too, help us please!
Insurgency is just starting dear. It died after 2003 aggreement.

about media. Many kashmiri newspapers were banned in past and after human shield video social media is banned too.
No human rights organization allowed. No foreign media allowed and you are telling me about free press. What a joke by the resident of the matrix created by indian media.
 
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