Resolution introduced in US House to block sale of F16s to Pakistan

[Zarvan]

Hi,

I welcome this resolution---and hope that it stops the sale of F16's to pakistan. This is going to be for the good of paf and pakistan both---.

It is just like taking a baby away from breast feeding---the baby would cry for a few days but then settle for the milk bottle to grow up more.

Thank you Rohrabacher---.



Hi,

The problem may not be now---it would arise at the time of delivery when there is a new president.

Obama is doing it to preserves his legacy---maybe the coming president may not want to do that.

It's time to increase production rate of JF-17 and also look third 4.5th Generation Platform from Europe or Russia and if not than China. Finally as for maintaining F-16 we need to take help of Turkey. F-16 if old can come from Europe should be taken.

 

[bafxet]

If they block it its good for Pakistan, if they don't its still good for Pakistan. Its a win-win situation out there.

Yes

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

It's time to increase production rate of JF-17 and also look third 4.5th Generation Platform from Europe or Russia and if not than China. Finally as for maintaining F-16 we need to take help of Turkey. F-16 if old can come from Europe should be taken.

Yes, please visit PAC and tell them to speed it up. Then, visit AHQ and tell CAS the same thing. While you are at it, why don't you visit the PM house and tell me to distribute water kits to solve the energy crisis.

 

[kmc_chacko]

Pakistan should get these F16s. It is good for India.

+1

 

[Zarvan]

Yes, please visit PAC and tell them to speed it up. Then, visit AHQ and tell CAS the same thing. While you are at it, why don't you visit the PM house and tell me to distribute water kits to solve the energy crisis.

Sir USA has many times back stabbed us if we not learning from our past experiences than yes Sir I have serious questions on our policy makers and those who have responsibility to defend us. USA keeps on backstabbing still we are not ready to learn that is a question ? @MastanKhan

 

[MastanKhan]

It's time to increase production rate of JF-17 and also look third 4.5th Generation Platform from Europe or Russia and if not than China. Finally as for maintaining F-16 we need to take help of Turkey. F-16 if old can come from Europe should be taken.

Hi,

The 4.5 gen have already been looked at---. Paf already knows which one they will go for.

The least expensive and the best platform is the J10C. Paf can develop this aircraft as it wants to.

Those who talk about the crashes---do not know about the F16 crashes---. When I lived in ogden utah---in the 80's there was news every other month an F16 crashing into the Salt Lake---it was not considered abnormal---just a development phase---and even the AVM Latif mentioned that as well.

A current aesa equipped J10C would be between the Blk52 ands the Blk60---in the next 5 years time period---the J10C would be in the league of the current BLK60.

What pakistan can do with these U S funds is to procure 5-10 years maintenance package for these aircraft or upgrades.

There is nothing wrong with having a sanction free aircraft with the same capability as the F16's---.

An ideal number for the F16's with paf would be 150----so why not add 75 J10C's----we already have the 75 F16's---.

We will kill two birds with one stone ( J10C )-----we will get aesa---and the threat of sanctions would disappear---because then the sanctions would not serve any purpose.

If paf is able top get the italian aesa for the JF17---there is no reason that it would not be able to get one for the J10C---.

 

[ito]

+1

Yes, there is no need to push Pakistan further that its solely depends on nukes for its security. On real terms 8 F16s will not make any difference to the security equation in the sub continent.

 

[That Guy]

I thought the deal was done and done.

F-16 sale to Pak 'complicates' India-US relationship: McCain | Business Standard News

It's a done deal, these attempts to delay and stall the transfer are nothing more than desperation.

Personally, I think the government of Pakistan should decline the offer altogether, and make it clear that the US can no longer threaten Pakistani sovereignty.

 

[MastanKhan]

Sir USA has many times back stabbed us if we not learning from our past experiences than yes Sir I have serious questions on our policy makers and those who have responsibility to defend us. USA keeps on backstabbing still we are not ready to learn that is a question ? @MastanKhan

Hi,

U S is not a back stabber---it is pakistan who wants to get back stabbed---.

Tell me now---how many pakistani fools on this board want the F16----when american congressmen and senators are openly telling them on the world forum that they will put sanctions on them.

Name the fools who favor the F16 on this board after all this drama---. They are the TRUE enemies of pakistan---they are the true SABOTEURS of pak air force---and defence of pakistan.

They don't understand that the U S is like a monster---you can play with it as long as it wants you to---then you are 'poof'---. There is one thing clear about this monster---it does not give you a surprise----it always lets you know in advance of what is coming---.

It never gives you a surprise---it is only the pakistani who is brain dead---with a total lack of any common sense and understanding---absolutely fatalistic in its approach.

So---don't use the word ' back stabber ' for the U S---. You kids have not learnt to understand and use the U S to your advantage---.

 

[Hyperion]

Resolutions are totally meaningless, however, I wish that they block the deal and we once in for all get rid of each other (US and Pakistan). US can then have all the strategic benefits of having a new lover, India, and leverage it's new influence over Bhutan, Nepal, Bangladesh and other meaningless states.... LOL........ new strategic bff India....... my as*......

 

[That Guy]

Hi,

The 4.5 gen have already been looked at---. Paf already knows which one they will go for.

The least expensive and the best platform is the J10C. Paf can develop this aircraft as it wants to.

Those who talk about the crashes---do not know about the F16 crashes---. When I lived in ogden utah---in the 80's there was news every other month an F16 crashing into the Salt Lake---it was not considered abnormal---just a development phase---and even the AVM Latif mentioned that as well.

A current aesa equipped J10C would be between the Blk52 ands the Blk60---in the next 5 years time period---the J10C would be in the league of the current BLK60.

What pakistan can do with these U S funds is to procure 5-10 years maintenance package for these aircraft or upgrades.

There is nothing wrong with having a sanction free aircraft with the same capability as the F16's---.

An ideal number for the F16's with paf would be 150----so why not add 75 J10C's----we already have the 75 F16's---.

We will kill two birds with one stone ( J10C )-----we will get aesa---and the threat of sanctions would disappear---because then the sanctions would not serve any purpose.

If paf is able top get the italian aesa for the JF17---there is no reason that it would not be able to get one for the J10C---.

If this was 3 years ago, I may have agreed that the PAF may consider the J-10, but now that time has passed. There is little reason to suggest that PAF is interested in the J-10, in fact the opposite seems to be true. PAF seems to be more interested in investing jf-17s and older f-16s, with the eventual goal of watching for a next Gen fighter.

@Quwa @notorious_eagle @waz @Oscar

What do you guys think?

 

[LeGenD]

Hi,

The 4.5 gen have already been looked at---. Paf already knows which one they will go for.

The least expensive and the best platform is the J10C. Paf can develop this aircraft as it wants to.

Those who talk about the crashes---do not know about the F16 crashes---. When I lived in ogden utah---in the 80's there was news every other month an F16 crashing into the Salt Lake---it was not considered abnormal---just a development phase---and even the AVM Latif mentioned that as well.

A current aesa equipped J10C would be between the Blk52 ands the Blk60---in the next 5 years time period---the J10C would be in the league of the current BLK60.

What pakistan can do with these U S funds is to procure 5-10 years maintenance package for these aircraft or upgrades.

There is nothing wrong with having a sanction free aircraft with the same capability as the F16's---.

An ideal number for the F16's with paf would be 150----so why not add 75 J10C's----we already have the 75 F16's---.

We will kill two birds with one stone ( J10C )-----we will get aesa---and the threat of sanctions would disappear---because then the sanctions would not serve any purpose.

If paf is able top get the italian aesa for the JF17---there is no reason that it would not be able to get one for the J10C---.

Sir,

1. J-10 is a new platform
2. Induction of a new platform is a costly venture because it not only involves induction of the aircraft but also the maintenance infrastructure to support it
3. Chinese systems are no where close to the American systems in technical capability
4. China have yet to develop a 100% indigenous aircraft; most Chinese aircraft involve Russian parts (especially engines).

So what if Russia doesn't warms-up to Pakistan as much as we expect it to in the near future? What if Russia is not willing to supply us engines other then the RD-93 due to Indian pressure?

We need to diversity our options and PAF is just doing that. Get some from the US, Russia and China. We shouldn't over-rely on a single country for fulfillment of our defensive needs.

 

[MastanKhan]

Resolutions are totally meaningless, however, I wish that they block the deal and we once in for all get rid of each other (US and Pakistan). US can then have all the strategic benefits of having a new lover, India, and leverage it's new influence over Bhutan, Nepal, Bangladesh and other meaningless states.... LOL........ new strategic bff India....... my as*......

Hi,

India---wait and see what happens if Trump is elected president---. His today's statement is that all indians and chinese and mexicans etc who are here just for jobs will be kicked out and jobs given to the americans.

So---india is in a very precarious position---.

Sir,

1. J-10 is a new platform
2. Induction of a new platform is a costly venture because it not only involves induction of the aircraft but the maintenance infrastructure to support it
3. Chinese systems are no where close to the American systems in technical capability
4. China have yet to develop a 100% indigenous aircraft; most Chinese aircraft involve Russian parts (especially engines).

So what if Russia doesn't warms-up to Pakistan as much as we expect it to in the near future? What if Russia is not willing to supply us engines other then the RD-93 due to Indian pressure?

We need to diversity our options and PAF is just doing that. Get some from the US, Russia and China. No favors.

Hi,

The J10C is already flying with a chinese engine---.

You telling me about a ' new platform induction'---. Are you forgetting that I am the pioneer of that debate on this forum since 2006 where everybody else had their heads in the sand about that issue.

It is better to do it sooner---rather than later---there has to be a new platform---one way or the other---.

Either you will do it after you get the sanctions---or if there are brains---then they will do it now---so that there won't be a question of sanctions---.

Be it a J10C---J16---SU35---Mig35 or eurofighter----whatever----there has to be an aircraft in the 4.5 gen from the above category---.

 

[Pulsar]

I fail to understand what this fuss is all about. It's not as if 8 F-16s are going to change the balance of power which is skewed heavily in favor of India.

These planes aren't going to be 'nuclear capable' as the article suggests. Secondly, they will not be permitted by the US to be used against India.(Kill switches, anyone?)

So I suggest we don't go overboard as if hell is going to befall us. We need to restrain ourselves. After all we are getting loads of weapons platforms ourselves from the US, Russia and Japan.

The only point that should piss us off is that the Pakistanis will get these 8 F-16s free as a gift as part of the $800 million CSF.
Freebies to neighbors sucks, what?

 

[Paksanity]

Funny to see people jumping up and down on a resolution that too is yet to pass. A resolution even if passed by senate does not stop sales of F-16. On ground it changes nothing.