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"Resistance 2.0." - Battle for Panjshir begins - Taliban claims victory

as i said few days ago in this forum that pitching taliban against Northern alliance this time would result in to massacre of Ahamad Masoooud forces and it happened accordingly.... however i guess taliban will spare the life of Ahamd masooud as in Kabul they are about to announce a govt who is in need of financial support from other countries and this stage Talibans are trying to grain the maximum support as the wars is over and reconstruction has begin .. which is has different dynamics and different political maneuvering

The West doesn't care for Massoud-- Senior or Junior. Dead or Alive. In fact, the Taliban had tacit support of America against Massoud Sr.
This forum people don't know that in Panjshir Valley even music was banned! So much so for putting on a 'liberal' face of the resistance!!
 
It is very sad. These were warriors who fought bravely against the Soviets but in this latest conflict ended on the wrong side of the warring parties. Not dissimilar to the likes of General Robert E. Lee who for the Confederates in the American Civil War in 1860s.
But the likes of Massoud Jr and A. Saleh should not be spared!! Taliban should have someone with SAMs or whatever it takes to shoot down any helicopter flying to Tajikistan.
For stability of Afghanistan, it is better this way. A defeated enemy is more dangerous than a dead one. They had their chances of peaceful settlement.
 
The West doesn't care for Massoud-- Senior or Junior. Dead or Alive. In fact, the Taliban had tacit support of America against Massoud Sr.
This forum people don't know that in Panjshir Valley even music was banned! So much so for putting on a 'liberal' face of the resistance!!

True

Panjsheris are as conservative as taliban

The reason they fought taliban are all political and ethnic not religious
 
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This picture will haunt him for the rest of his life.

 
There are whispers that taliban have ordered its fighters to kill the remaining ANA and NRF commanders as they will always create problems in future. We may hear more news of high level commanders being killed. Some say the taliban have also ordered massoud and saleh to be killed n made an example.
 
There are whispers that taliban have ordered its fighters to kill the remaining ANA and NRF commanders as they will always create problems in future. We may hear more news of high level commanders being killed. Some say the taliban have also ordered massoud and saleh to be killed n made an example.
That's understandable, many TB members were not in favor of general amnesty. This gives them the chance to settle the revenge itch.
 
Biden Says There Was No Way To Exit Afghanistan 'Without Chaos Ensuing'
August 18, 2021


President Joe Biden said in his first interview since the Taliban seized Kabul that “chaos” was inevitable once the United States decided to leave Afghanistan after two decades of war.

Biden told ABC News on August 18 that he didn’t know how U.S. forces could have exited “without chaos ensuing,” as witnessed at Kabul airport in recent days.

Western nations are scrambling to get thousands of diplomats, civilians, and eligible Afghans out of the country after the Taliban seized control of the capital over the weekend following a blitz offensive that saw a string of cities fall to the fundamentalist group in quick succession.

Biden said the Taliban is cooperating in helping get Americans and allied countries’ citizens out of the country but "we're having some more difficulty" in evacuating Afghan citizens who helped the international mission and others considered at risk under Taliban rule.

He said U.S. forces could remain in Kabul beyond an August 31 deadline if necessary to evacuate American citizens.

Earlier, U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said about 4,500 U.S. military personnel are at Kabul airport and there "have been no hostile interactions with the Taliban and our lines of communication with Taliban commanders remain open."

The Pentagon chief added that U.S. troops do not have the capability to help people reach Kabul airport to be evacuated because his forces are focused on securing the airfield.

A top U.S. diplomat said the United States expects the Taliban to allow Afghans who wish to leave Afghanistan to depart, amid reports the group is blocking access to the airport.

"We have seen reports that the Taliban, contrary to their public statements and their commitments to our government, are blocking Afghans who wish to leave the country from reaching the airport," Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman told reporters.

U.S. officials are engaging directly with the Taliban "to make clear that we expect them to allow all American citizens, all third-country nationals, and all Afghans who wish to leave to do so safely and without harassment," she said.

U.S. officials on August 18 said they have evacuated 4,480 people since they took control of the airport over the weekend, including 2,000 people in the past 24 hours. Officials have said they hope to be able to evacuate up to 9,000 people a day.

Other nations, including European allies, are also evacuating people in coordination with the United States. About 5,000 diplomats, security staff, aid workers, and Afghans have been evacuated in the last 24 hours, a Western official told Reuters on August 18.

The quick collapse of the Western-backed government after Afghan security forces crumbled in the face of the Taliban advance has raised larger questions about the U.S.-led international mission in the country.

Despite unfolding mayhem, Biden defended his decision to withdraw U.S. forces from Afghanistan, blaming the Afghan government and military for not defending cities and the capital.

"When you had the government of Afghanistan, the leader of that government, get in a plane and taking off and going to another country; when you saw the significant collapse of the Afghan troops we had trained, up to 300,000 of them, just leaving their equipment and taking off… that’s what happened,” Biden said in the interview.

Earlier, speaking to reporters alongside Austin, General Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said there had been no intelligence to indicate that the Afghanistan security forces and government would collapse in a period of 11 days as the Taliban captured major cities.

Milley said intelligence had "clearly indicated, multiple scenarios were possible," including a Taliban takeover following a rapid collapse of Afghan security forces and the government, a civil war or a negotiated settlement.

"The timeframe of rapid collapse - that was widely estimated and ranged from weeks to months and even years following our departure," Milley said.
The US army should have been the last to leave and should have only left after the foreigners and their local collaborators left. But as the US politicians upset the US army the US army decided to to do things their own way and put the politicians onto the backfoot. I doubt if racism came into play but the question that needs to be asked is would the game have been played differently if the Afghans were white.
 
This picture will haunt him for the rest of his life.

The allure of being sought-after by the Western press, by being in Camp David, by appearing oh-so-cultured speaking in good English about human rights and liberalism while from being in poor countries of unwashed masses, of by speaking to an 'in-crowd' in the Western world... It must be so toxic--otherwise, how could so many leaders of the poor countries be so ignorant of their humble origins and of the 'ground realities'??

From now on--I will strongly distrust the Western media at least as far as international coverage and I will strongly distrust those leaders of the poor countries whose formative years were substantially spent in Western countries.
 

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