Residents from enclaves demonstrate to be 'Bangladeshis'

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

Residents from enclaves demonstrate to be 'Bangladeshis'

http://www.bdnews24.com/details.php?cid=52&id=205171

Mon, Sep 5th, 2011 8:41 pm BdST

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Panchgarh/Kurigram, Sept 5 (bdnews24.com) – Thousands of stateless people from India-claimed enclaves inside Bangladesh have demanded that Bangladesh authorities absorb them in line with a 1974 treaty between Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman and Indira Gandhi.

The people from the enclaves in Panchagarh and Kurigram, who have been demanding recognition for decades, on Monday demonstrated separately to say that Bangladesh should be their country.

In Panchagarh, the protesters gathered in front of Panchagarh High School and chanted slogans in support of their demands. They carried banners and festoons with texts of their demands imprinted on them.

An advocacy group --Bangladesh-India Enclave Exchange Coordination Committee-- organised the protest.

Inside Bangladesh, India has 111 enclaves including 12 in Panchagarh and 55 in Kurigram.

In July a India-Bangladesh joint headcount found about 51,000 people– 34,000 in Bangladesh and 17,000 in India.

Monday's protest was aimed at both Bangladesh and Indian authorities as Indian prime minister Manmohan Singh is scheduled to arrive in Dhaka on a two-day official visit. The issue of resolving the long-pending disputes over the enclaves is expected to be settled this time.

The protesters in Panchagarh marched through the town's main streets before ending in front of the district administrator's office.

They submitted a memorandum to the deputy commissioner to forward it to the prime minister.

Panchagarh Upazila vice-chairman Anowar Sadat Shamrat, Garati Chhitmahal Nagorik Committee chairman Mafidar Rahman and Shalbari Chhitmahal chairman Mohammad Shirajul Islam briefly spoke on the occasion.

They said the residents of the enclaves had long been suffering because of lack of recognition.

Najirganj enclave's resident Joy Prokash told bdnews24.com that the people of the enclaves had been demanding for their citizenship for many years.

In Kurigram, several thousand people from such enclaves also demonstrated in front of the district administrator's office.

They said they wanted to be Bangladeshi citizens.

bdnews24.com/corr/cs/dd/mrh/jr/2028h.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

What the hack this poor and foolish people are doing...giving up the claim to be a citizen (if not they already are) of heaven like and super rich India...:O.... have they forgot that they are missing the opportunity to be a hawker or maid in the super rich india which bhartis claim many bangladeshis are dying to do this...n already 20 million crossed illegally for this purpose and some group even claim 5000 people are crossing daily...(though another big bluff).

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

Just curious , what is the demography of these people ? Answer should be revealing ...

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

Just curious , what is the demography of these people ? Answer should be revealing ...

What is your point by mentioning demography?? They are living in Indian enclaves but within Bangladesh...

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

What is your point by mentioning demography?? They are living in Indian enclaves but within Bangladesh...

The enclaves will be exchanged in due time in accordance with the Agreement between Sheik Mujib and Indira Gandhi so dont see the point of your thread too ,to be honest . Bureaucratic delays can't be helped.

And your second post clearly shows the direction in which you want this thread to go ....and yes demography not economics maybe the rationale behind a group choosing to join BD not India , which is what I refute your second post with.

Hope you catch the drift. My last post on this thread .

 

[Maira La]

The enclaves will be exchanged in due time in accordance with the Agreement between Sheik Mujib and Indira Gandhi so dont see the point of your thread too ,to be honest . Bureaucratic delays can't be helped.

And your second post clearly shows the direction in which you want this thread to go ....and yes demography not economics maybe the rationale behind a group choosing to join BD not India , which is what I refute your second post with.

Hope you catch the drift. My last post on this thread .

Economically, it does make sense for them to be with Bangladesh for an obvious reason.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

What is your point by mentioning demography?? They are living in Indian enclaves but within Bangladesh...

Demography should matter, given the importance of the 'ummah' that all Muslims are made to believe will come one day!

Religion apparently is a great elixir that overcomes the rational!

 

[kobiraaz]

I was watching their interview in a BD news channel. They were giving slogun 'amra bangladesh chai' .. Why they want Bangladesh while some other people get killed while jumping the fence for going to a paradise state??

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

I can't find that post, but somewhere one BD poster lamented that the Border realignment was a poor deal as far as BD was concerned since BD was losing more territory.

It maybe worthwhile for the same BD poster to note that India would be losing 111 enclaves within BD and gaining 51 enclaves that are within India.

From The Telegraph 7 Days Sun 11 Sep 2011:

India also needs to change its Constitution since the exchange means it has to give away some 10,000 acres of land to Bangladesh.......

If Manmohan Singh - Sheik Hasina Agreement takes effect, Bangladesh will own the 111 enclaves that lie in its territory with an area of 17,160 acres, while Bangladesh enclaves stretching across 7,110 acres will merge with India

On the issue of desire for citizenship, the same article goes on to state:

But for people living in the Bangladesh enclaves, going to Bangladesh is not an option. Having lived within India for yers, they say they have become Indians "at heart"

Maybe one wonders if they are being rational.

 

[jetti]

I can't find that post, but somewhere one BD poster lamented that the Border realignment was a poor deal as far as BD was concerned since BD was losing more territory.

It maybe worthwhile for the same BD poster to note that India would be losing 111 enclaves within BD and gaining 51 enclaves that are within India.

From The Telegraph 7 Days Sun 11 Sep 2011:





On the issue of desire for citizenship, the same article goes on to state:



Maybe one wonders if they are being rational.

i think if there shold be no option of citizenship. if they are begali muslim they should be politely asked to go to BD. if they are not then they should be sent to india. any thoughts?

 

[saleen_s7]

Demography should matter, given the importance of the 'ummah' that all Muslims are made to believe will come one day!

Religion apparently is a great elixir that overcomes the rational!

What happened to secular India? I thought its not an issue of religion rather people's right to self determination. Funny how you bring in religion and race when people want different things then you. Your tone of argument immediately changes when the immigration myth is debunked and your profound deep hatred of the "other" is exposed.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

What happened to secular India? I thought its not an issue of religion rather people's right to self determination. Funny how you bring in religion and race when people want different things then you. Your tone of argument immediately changes when the immigration myth is debunked and your profound deep hatred of the "other" is exposed.

India still remains secular.

Secularism does not mean that religion is forsaken. It means that while religion does not come into governance, one still has to be sensitive to the minority's requirement.

Indian secularism is going overboard for minorities.

Not a bad thing, if you ask me!

In so far as religion being discussed, it was a game that BD posters indulged in and so it is essential to bring home to them the home truth so that they can bring home the bacon!

Noticed who thanked you? The same man who brought in religion as the be all and end all of existence and how Bangladeshi were stupid and crass to desert Pakistan! And he claims to be a Bangladeshi!!

Here is his latest gem:

Pakistan still grateful to A.K Fazal-ul-Haq and they still consider him one of the founding father of Pakistan yet there is nothing about M. A Jinnah in Bangladesh even though he is the original founder of the nation. What a shame!!!
http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangla...g-moment-strategic-blunder-6.html#post2103321

And here is the comment of Faarhan to someone's post from the same thread as above:

Care to elaborate. Which Bangladeshi here except Al-zakir (who is actually Bihari and doesn't live in bangladesh) thinks themselves as Pakistani? Pakistan is the third most hated country by Bangladeshis after israel and india. I showed it on pdf before voting result of over 5000 bangladeshis.. Do not deviate truth. We are an independent identity and proud of it.
Original Post By Faarhan

BTW, just for my knowledge, are you suggesting that the concept of 'ummah' is not close to the heart of a Muslim?

And as far as Arab claims please see the Arabised thread on this forum!

Therefore, a non Muslim does get confused.

 

[saleen_s7]

India still remains secular.

Secularism does not mean that religion is forsaken. It means that while religion does not come into governance, one still has to be sensitive to the minority's requirement.

Indian secularism is going overboard for minorities.

Not a bad thing, if you ask me!

In so far as religion being discussed, it was a game that BD posters indulged in and so it is essential to bring home to them the home truth so that they can bring home the bacon!

Noticed who thanked you? The same man who brought in religion as the be all and end all of existence and how Bangladeshi were stupid and crass to desert Pakistan! And he claims to be a Bangladeshi!!

Here is his latest gem:



And here is the comment of Faarhan to someone's post from the same thread as above:



BTW, just for my knowledge, are you suggesting that the concept of 'ummah' is not close to the heart of a Muslim?

And as far as Arab claims please see the Arabised thread on this forum!

Therefore, a non Muslim does get confused.

As usual, you are using ad hominem arguments which are not relative to the subject at issue. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and own point of view, which does clash consistent with democracy. The type of leftist uniform ideology approach you wish to preach, which you want people other people to embrace as much as u you and destroy anyone who opposes is an offshoot of a very well known European regime (indeed it was right wing)which existed not too long ago. Some of your politicians even acknowledged him for his so called "great" contribution. And honestly attacking religion is just not my thing, but a country which openly and boastfully practices a class system is not the sort of country Bangladeshis like to live to. And this demonstrations prove it.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

As usual, you are using ad hominem arguments which are not relative to the subject at issue. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and own point of view, which does clash consistent with democracy. The type of leftist uniform ideology approach you wish to preach, which you want people other people to embrace as much as u you and destroy anyone who opposes is an offshoot of a very well known European regime (indeed it was right wing)which existed not too long ago. Some of your politicians even acknowledged him for his so called "great" contribution. And honestly attacking religion is just not my thing, but a country which openly and boastfully practices a class system is not the sort of country Bangladeshis like to live to. And this demonstrations prove it.

Truth is hard to digest.

Leftist ideology I profess? It is again fashionable to dub things that one cannot comprehend as 'leftist', since in these days it is a cuss word and one garners instant supporters. If I am a Leftist, then Leftism would take a new meaning!

Indian politicians acknowledge who as a 'great contributor'?

We do not practice class system, in the event that you are not aware.

We are grateful that Bangladeshi do not want to live in India. I wish you had only prevailed upon the many illegals who have come from your country and are not ready to return!

I don't care about religion, but when some of your compatriots stuff it down the gullet as if religion alone runs the world, a befitting reminder is necessary ever so often so that they do not forget the reality and quit the harangue!