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Report from China: What Keeps the Muslim World Back?

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The Chinese, at behind-the-scenes conferences and discussions during the past few months, kept saying they were perplexed about the Muslim world's – particularly the Arab world's – inability to deal with the modern world. The Chinese and the Muslims, they repeated, had suffered the same humiliation and occupation by foreigners over the past two hundred years, but the Chinese and Muslim reactions to these experiences seem so completely different.

"We also suffered," the Chinese said, "but now we control our destiny, and are doing everything we can to learn from these foreigners so that we can benefit from the modern world and ensure that we do not suffer this humiliation again. We Chinese 'look to the future.'"

The Muslims, on the other hand, the Chinese stated, seem to have a different approach: Instead of looking to the future, they "are mired in the past," more concerned about taking revenge against those foreigners whom they believe had humiliated and oppressed them.

It was because of this focus on the past, these Chinese intellectuals and leaders stated, that Arabs and Muslims were therefore unable to build societies which could participate in the modern world. "Revenge and victimhood," these Chinese argued, could permanently cause "the Arabs and Muslim world" to "remain behind the West and Asia."

These Chinese, many of whom had spent considerable time in the Muslim world and had gone to the trouble of becoming fluent in Arabic, Persian, and Turkish, asked why our Muslim friends are "obsessed" (their word) with portraying themselves as victims. Victimhood, they said, gets people nowhere; what was necessary was to remember the past but put it behind you so that you could deal with contemporary problems.

The Chinese are practical: although they harbor deep resentment to what other cultures -- specifically the Japanese -- have done to them, they say that if they indulge in self-pity, they will never be able to improve their lot in this world.

The Islamic culture, however -- and Middle Eastern culture in general -- is acutely concerned with righting perceived wrongs. The Shari'a, in fact, sees the role of the ruler as one who "commands good and eradicates evil" -- meaning it is more important to "correct" past wrongs than to think about how to improve one's situation. First one must correct the evil, and only then may one concentrate on how to have a better life. Saddam Hussein and Bashar al-Assad have focused much of their time and money fighting their enemies rather than building their societies. The Americans, before they invaded Iraq, tried to negotiate with Saddam to find a way to stop him from developing weapons of mass destruction and intimidating his neighbors, but Saddam would not compromise. To do so, from his point of view, would have shamed him, a condition to be avoided at all costs. Bashar al-Assad now seems committed to doing the same. Fighting evil, in their eyes, is a never-ending battle: they cannot – nor can, for that matter, the Palestinians -- put their past perceived wrongs behind them. They therefore cannot turn their attention to any future. Middle Eastern leaders might want to eliminate Israel, or hire engineers to build buildings, but anything more elaborate requires importing foreigners – mostly Westerners or Asians for building airports, highways, or whatever.

The Chinese perspective, to quote the former Prime Minister of Singapore Lee Kwan Yew, is that, despite "everything we do for our Muslims, they continue to remain at the bottom of society" -- poor, backward and uneducated. ( Bernard Lewis, Notes on a Century…, pp. 245-246).



Report from China: What Keeps the Muslim World Back?
 
An excellent article to read if you have an open mind. It's better to take a break from usual democracy vs islamism cycle of bullshit and take a down-to-earth pragmatic view on what's going on. I think this article pretty much summarises the problems within islamic societies which I myself have experienced when communicating with them.
 
We Chinese 'look to the future.
The whole world does, except the middle east (most of it), where barbarism and misplaced priorities are still a part of life.

everything we do for our Muslims, they continue to remain at the bottom of society"
No, some of them are very open minded. You cant pull such blanket statements. But the majority of them put religion before their country and thats where the problems start.
 
The whole world does, except the middle east (most of it), where barbarism and misplaced priorities are still a part of life.
Unfortunately no. We South Asians should also learn a thing or two when it comes to this. Most of us are also stuck in the past but what makes us different from islamic societies is that we are not looking at past with hatred. However, that mentality is still dragging us down on so many different levels.
 
No, some of them are very open minded. You cant pull such blanket statements. But the majority of them put religion before their country and thats where the problems start.
Well, you better say that to LKY. Actually he has a point. Muslims and some other communities always tend to portray themselves as victims and escape responsibility at any given chance.

You 're contradicting yourself.
looking at past with hatred.
 
Of course...Chinies has a civilization of its own...They have a rich history and culture...I have a deep respect for them....Even they are perfect example where they blend modern world with their traditional confusious thoughts...That is why they are rising in last 50 years where as others and in specific Muslim world is not...Muslim world has shed the mentality of the trying to be the superior among the rest attitude and they should feel that everyone is equal...
 
Actually I don't see much difference at all.

Chinese are also quite focused on the past, just have a look at our TV and movies. We yearn for the days of Han, Tang, Song and Ming, the bright spots in the history of Chinese civilization. Same as how the Muslims yearn for the Golden age of Islam.

We also harbor a lot of resentment for past wrongs, the "Century of Humiliation" being the most obvious one. And are very skeptical of foreign powers, especially the established powers.

The difference seems in the approach. An old Chinese quote goes: "實事求是" (seek truth from facts), which was originally from the Book of Han over 2000 years ago, and puts an emphasis on being "practical".

Now the Palestinians hate Israel, and they are always fighting against Israel. But it's not successful, because their actions are very short-term, and impractical. Instead of throwing rocks they should be educating their children, in order to turn Palestine into an economic powerhouse. After that, they can negotiate from a position of strength, just like China is doing today. That's a long-term and "practical" game plan.

Being practical means focusing on results. Short-term revenge is not something that will provide a good result.
 
Muslims and some other communities always tend to portray themselves as victims and escape responsibility at any given chance
In my opinion the reason to this is frequent misinterpretation of their religious texts (the context is ignored most of the time). And I would like to add that putting religion above everything else takes its toll on them. Albeit I would NOT bracket all the muslims in one category, there 're many who're broadminded and who have a sense of alacrity when it comes to intermingling with ppl of other religions.
Frankly, I would prefer a muslim's opinion on it. But I'm wondering whom to tag because almost everyone gets defensive about their religion on this forum.
 
Actually I don't see much difference at all.

Chinese are also quite focused on the past, just have a look at our TV and movies. We yearn for the days of Han, Tang, Song and Ming, the bright spots in the history of Chinese civilization. Same as how the Muslims yearn for the Golden age of Islam.

We also harbor a lot of resentment for past wrongs, the "Century of Humiliation" being the most obvious one. And are very skeptical of foreign powers, especially the established powers.

The difference seems in the approach. An old Chinese quote goes: "實事求是" (seek truth from facts), which was originally from the Book of Han over 2000 years ago, and puts an emphasis on being "practical".

Now the Palestinians hate Israel, and they are always fighting against Israel. But it's not successful, because their actions are very short-term, and impractical. Instead of throwing rocks they should be educating their children, in order to turn Palestine into an economic powerhouse. After that, they can negotiate from a position of strength, just like China is doing today. That's a long-term and "practical" game plan.

Being practical means focusing on results. Short-term revenge is not something that will provide a good result.
That's what the article says. Chinese remember the past but you don't look at history with full of hatred. For instance, there are Chinese people in the UK but none of them is thinking about committing crimes in the UK to avenge for the opium wars whereas the muslims/middle easterners look at themselves as the ultimate victim and puts behind all their real priorities for a quest of taking revenge.

Victimhood, they said, gets people nowhere; what was necessary was to remember the past but put it behind you so that you could deal with contemporary problems.
Chinese have also managed to realise that their dominance depends on adapting to the changes in global atmosphere by changing some of the outdated cultural practices. Every civilisation including the west, has to go through such changes to ensure its survival and dominance. If the Chinese society copies the entire set of cultural practices that were there at the time of Ming dynasty, would China ever be able to reach up to its current status? The answer is no but middle easters/muslims and even South Asians think path to achieving glory comes only from copying the entire cultural fabric of the past regardless of how outdated some of those cultural aspects are.
 
The Muslim world has failed to invest in science and technology, the many great scientists and thinkers of the Islamic golden age would likely be considered heretics today by radical Salafists.

Take example the gulf arabs despite all their wealth they spend it on Russian prostitutes in Dubai and buying US military equipment just for bling while China is building Supercomputers, Turbofans, Airliners, and a space station. None of this was possible 10 years prior, we studied and harvested technology and knowledge and now were going to surpass the west in many fields in Science and Technology.

Muslims should reform themselves NOT Islam because Islam cannot be altered. Iran is one of the few Muslim countries that has a bright future.
 
Correction:

This is an issue with the Arab part of the Muslim world and does not apply to other countries like Turkey, Iran, BD, Indonesia and Malaysia. Arabs comprise a small percentage of total Muslims.
 
The Muslim world has failed to invest in science and technology, the many great scientists and thinkers of the Islamic golden age would likely be considered heretics today by radical Salafists.

Take example the gulf arabs despite all their wealth they spend it on Russian prostitutes in Dubai and buying US military equipment just for bling while China is building Supercomputers, Turbofans, Airliners, and a space station. Muslims should reform themselves NOT Islam because Islam cannot be altered.
Haha
Till a few years back that was the story here (in middle east), but now things are changing.
Just FYI- they* 're planning a mars probe by 2021.
Frankly speaking I know by 2021 they would not be able to come up with something of their own and that the technology would be borrowed but I'm glad that they 're trying to catch up with the world on science and technology.
They*- By they I meant UAE.
 
In my opinion the reason to this is frequent misinterpretation of their religious texts (the context is ignored most of the time). And I would like to add that putting religion above everything else takes its toll on them. Albeit I would NOT bracket all the muslims in one category, there 're many who're broadminded and who have a sense of alacrity when it comes to intermingling with ppl of other religions.
Frankly, I would prefer a muslim's opinion on it. But I'm wondering whom to tag because almost everyone gets defensive about their religion on this forum.
It's not misinterpretation, it's refusal to change with time. Much more like using crossbows to fight a modern war in the 21st just because some civilisation won a battle with crossbows 1000 years ago.
 
Correction:

This is an issue with the Arab part of the Muslim world and does not apply to other countries like Turkey, Iran, BD, Indonesia and Malaysia. Arabs comprise a small percentage of total Muslims.

In fact many Muslim countries (including many Arab ones) are going in the right path, by focusing on economic development and education. I can list many of them just off the top of my head in addition to the ones you have listed.

But some outliers (notably in Iraq/Syria) are choosing a very poor path that is only benefiting their enemies.

Those guys really should think before they do something, is this going to benefit us, or our enemies?
 

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